Listen! I hate using my OP Rail Rifle with Gallente Logi with boundless remote explosives, boundless proximity mines, allotek nanohive, and ishukone gauged dropuplinks with a 40m scan radius and 26 dB precision. It's so effective and not fun at all.
Or my ishukone assault rail rifle with 3 damage mods that can 1v1 a proto heavy with proto HMG and kill him within 5m then run back and heal with those 70hp/sec rep hives.

You clearly don't understand the woes of having 6 proto suits and 10 proto weapons.

Someone called our knives "flimsy."

Just thought you should know.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=145433&find=unread

I still feel like knifing him. Granted, that is how I generally feel. That gets me killed a lot.

What, are you saying that you capped out with your 1500 heavy kills, for operation marauder?

Hell, even a 5 point bonus (->40 dB) would help out the scanning situation.

That way it would scale such that with 1 complex precision enh would allow a cal scout to pick up a non-gal scout with 1 complex damp (uncloaked) or an undampened cloaked non-gal scout.

That's still seems a little messed up to me that you would still need to add modules to the best passive scanning suit in the game, but that would be a conservative change.

Dropping the scan precision (of all scouts) to 35 dB would be ideal in my opinion. The way that precision enhancers are set up with complex giving a -20% bonus allows complex dampeners to outstrip them after stacking.

As such, a gallente scout will still beat the caldari scout (in terms of passive scanning) with the addition of 1 complex damp (vs 1 complex precision) though without dampeners the 2 will be ~equal in terms of profile damp (gal) v. precision (cal).

This would continue with the incremental increase in the dampeners and precision enhancer modules used.
____Gal Scout____I____Cal Scout_____I____Generic Scout precision___
0 damp = 23.6 dB__I__0 prec = 23.6 dB__I__0 prec/damp = 31.5 / 31.5 dB
1 damp = 17.7 dB__I__1 prec = 18.9 dB__I__1 prec/damp = 25.2 / 23.6 dB
2 damp = 13.3 dB__I__2 prec = 15.6 dB__I__2 prec/damp = 20.8 / 17.7 dB

Also, this doesn't take into account the cloaking bonus. That essentially adds one complex damp to anyone using it (while activated) Thus, an undampened scout will still be picked up by a cal scout while cloaked (probably, ~equal profile/precision) but if they run an additional dampener then they hit 17.7 dB and require a cal scout to use at least 2 precision modules.

Gallente scout is still mostly invisible regardless of situation but can be picked up with 1-3 stacked precision modules depending on how damped they are.

Also, this allows *other* non-cal scouts to have some semblance of tac-net vision of other scouts. They have to sacrifice a fair amount of fitting (ie at least 1 module if not 2 to be effective) to scan other scouts but aren't as effective at that role as the caldari scout. Thus, we have a counter for dampened scouts as well as a partial counter to the *invisibility* of gal scouts.

Thoughts? Worthy of a feedback thread?

Some of us were discussing the asymmetry between precision vs profile that will be in place for scouts come 1.8. Does what I say here make sense?

As for PC - I've done a fair few, not a lot but probably once or twice a month for the past 7 months or so. It is fun but it can be very frustrating. My role as a scout is always to be on the outer objectives, usually the enemy home point. I get an uplink somewhere nearby nicely hidden and wait for opportunities to run in for a quik 3 second codebreaker hack, plant REs (that are almost always fluxed because PC players mostly aren't dumb) and get out to hide again. Often there'll be a tank nearby guarding but ever since we got sticky explosives, HAV guards have been somewhat of a gift for me :) Sometimes I'll be left on my own for more or less the entire match but sometimes a few red dots will come to take it back and I'll sneak up on them and pistol to the back of the skull but on other occasions they send half the team and I just have to bug out.

The biggest problem though, is that I'm one guy on one objective and even if I do my job well, I'm still reliant on the rest of the team to actually take the city and/or hold our home point. It can get boring and extremely frustrating knowing that I can have an impeccable match but still lose, even though I know my team should be good enough if I've held a point solo for an entire match. But meh, such is the way of dust, I suppose. I still enjoy it most of the time anyway, especially when I can see the enemy searching around for me and I'm just hiding round the corner watching them ^_^

I don't know why anyone would put a Scout on an outside objective (usually, to take an enemy homepoint, a 2-4 man squad would be sent, maybe with a tank or two) but if you were able to hold it all match, then good job. O_O

I was in a PC yesterday against What the French, and I was able to hold homepoint all match, even if Imnuto was the only person trying to take it.

I'm not so much use in the city as I don't shotgun and it's always swarming with so many reds that I'm downed in seconds wherever I go, though I do occasionally foray into C on the gal research facility if the team is having troubles and I'm bored at D. It's easy for me at D usually because enemies just hack it at the start and then forget about it while they battle over control of the city. At most there'll sometimes be a tank and if the reds get annoyed enough by me, I'll be dragging a handful of players away from the city battle - in which case I've done my job even better by pulling forces away from the main battle (unfortunately the team often sucks in the city battles, so even my distraction's not always enough).

I've never really been much of a killer scout - my thing is sneaky speed hacks and distraction as well as HAV sabotage.

Patrick, you make me want to go up against C-string PC players so I can just dominate a match again. I haven't had that sort of battlefield clout since CCP said, fuckoff snipers we're making you useless but letting rail tanks and forge guns still do the same stuff we blamed you for. "Oh ****, Appia's sniping, let's just not go over there." Or, "let's take the rooftops! No, wait, never mind, Appia shot us all off." QQ Sniper Rifles keep getting indirectly nerfed.

Sniping is effective at the right time. Haven't you been in a match where dwater was sniping with his Thale's? If you have the right spot at the right time, it's very useful.

1) It is a nuisance at best. Just because someone got a kill doesn't mean it was helpful to the team. There are plenty of people that just protect their KDR in matches by going for anyone they think they can get, rather than selecting more valuable targets. He doesn't do that. It's what I mean when I keep calling out people a being "nuisances." They get kills, but those kills aren't significant to affect the flow of the battlefield.

2) It has been the same map, in the same location every time. ho-ho! Congrats, a single map is acceptable to use but only if you are the attacker.

3) Thale's. . . That's complete bullshit that you need an officer weapon to be competitive. Despite my infamy as a sniper came about when my Scout gk.0 was the only suit I had and I primarily used the Ishukone Sniper Rifle and I kept up with the likes of Minmatar Assaults,Amarr Logistics, and Caldari Logistics snipers with Thale's and multiple damage mods.

4) The weapon doesn't even work without damage mods.

2) It has been the same map, in the same location every time. ho-ho! Congrats, a single map is acceptable to use but only if you are the attacker.

Fun? FUN?
I cant have fun with semi lag, rubber banding.
fired all 8 rounds of my crg into the back of a mlt head lastnight.
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I was then rail rifled in the face by said merc. I was being forced back to the same spot just behind said merc 5 times in a row.
Went to minecraft and had jolly burn my villagers to death stuck in a house.
squidwards blood is on your hands ccp