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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:18:00 -
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Look CCP, maybe you had a good reason for this, but how are we to know when you haven't said anything?
We've had one dev make a few passing comments on character transfers, that's it. Do you know how that makes us feel?
Look at the forums, they've exploded, it's not healthy. Please, just tell us something, anything.
What you did is not ok, but maybe we could understand if you just speak up.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1779
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:21:00 -
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There is a guy gonna kill himself. im sure if any of are still around the forums later we will hear an apology. from CCP. and they will have an AURUM sale on shotguns in his honer
Who wants some?
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Kane Fyea
2654
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:24:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:and they will have an AURUM sale on shotguns in his honer
I laughed a little too much from this lol. |
Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
269
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:31:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:There is a guy gonna kill himself. im sure if any of are still around the forums later we will hear an apology. from CCP. and they will have an AURUM sale on shotguns in his honer
A week later they will remove shotguns from the game due to "balance" issues.
Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast.
Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1785
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:32:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:There is a guy gonna kill himself. im sure if any of are still around the forums later we will hear an apology. from CCP. and they will have an AURUM sale on shotguns in his honer A week later they will remove shotguns from the game due to "balance" issues.
OHK
Who wants some?
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1483
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:00:00 -
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I'm going to bump this until we get something.
Something, please.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Vitharr Foebane
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
1147
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:05:00 -
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Spademan wrote:I'm going to bump this until we get something.
Something, please.
Don't f*cking bother CPP is done with us... After all they are too busy having a circle jerk over Eve: Legion
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I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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SCAT mania
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
441
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:10:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Spademan wrote:I'm going to bump this until we get something.
Something, please. Don't f*cking bother CPP is done with us... After all they are too busy having a circle jerk over Eve: Legion F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP F*CK CCP
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Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
1254
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:13:00 -
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CCP devs are hiding in the corner, they are afraid to speak to us so all they do is read the threads and delete the ones they dont like. thats as much interaction you'll be receiving from them today
CCP GETTING RID OF DUST???!!!
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1486
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:14:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:CCP devs are hiding in the corner, they are afraid to speak to us so all they do is read the threads and delete the ones they dont like. thats as much interaction you'll be receiving from them today
I guess I just hoped pleading might succeed where rage did not.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
297
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:16:00 -
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I knew something was going to happen when CMDR Wang left
he left quietly and almost without anyone noticeing
MCRMI Recruiting
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1486
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:18:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:I knew something was going to happen when CMDR Wang left
he left quietly and almost without anyone noticeing
In hindsight, that probably should have raised more questions
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
770
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:20:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:There is a guy gonna kill himself. im sure if any of are still around the forums later we will hear an apology. from CCP. and they will have an AURUM sale on shotguns in his honer
disturbing, shouldn't have laughed, but I am British.
Really hope the guy was roleplaying for troll affect.
You do not have to be crazy to play here but we are willing to train you.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1486
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:37:00 -
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Sigh, bump.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Mike De Luca
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:39:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:and they will have an AURUM sale on shotguns in his honer I laughed a little too much from this lol.
You're not the only one lol
Yup, CCP just killed dust today
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Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
249
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:42:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Look CCP, maybe you had a good reason for this, but how are we to know when you haven't said anything?
We've had one dev make a few passing comments on character transfers, that's it. Do you know how that makes us feel?
Look at the forums, they've exploded, it's not healthy. Please, just tell us something, anything.
What you did is not ok, but maybe we could understand if you just speak up.
 Fear the wrath of the community witch you set fire to with your lies of a persistent universe. Countless players grind and save SP ISK and invest time and AUR for this? better hide.
& justice for all
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1495
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Posted - 2014.05.02 23:11:00 -
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Eeyup.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1495
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Posted - 2014.05.02 23:33:00 -
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Still here
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1497
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Posted - 2014.05.03 00:13:00 -
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And one to end the night.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Krom Ganesh
Nos Nothi
1561
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Posted - 2014.05.03 00:21:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Look CCP, maybe you had a good reason for this, but how are we to know when you haven't said anything?
We've had one dev make a few passing comments on character transfers, that's it. Do you know how that makes us feel?
Look at the forums, they've exploded, it's not healthy. Please, just tell us something, anything.
What you did is not ok, but maybe we could understand if you just speak up.
Chances are, you aren't going to get any dev responses until perhaps tomorrow morning Icelandic time (doubtful though since addressing the backlash from their "exciting" news probably wasn't on the agenda). It's currently just past midnight there and they're probably busy getting drunk.
PSN: BCJ42
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1503
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Posted - 2014.05.03 00:22:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:
Chances are, you aren't going to get any dev responses until perhaps tomorrow morning Icelandic time (doubtful though since addressing the backlash from their "exciting" news probably wasn't on the agenda). It's currently just past midnight there and they're probably busy getting drunk.
Fair point, but really, someone should've been on standby at least for damage control and explanations.
You don't just pull this **** and say nothing to the fans for a couple hours.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2677
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Posted - 2014.05.03 00:23:00 -
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They are all out drinking. Maybe we'll hear from rouge next week.
'#PCMasterRace
5/2/2014 - Best day in Dust's history
Thank you CCP Rouge.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1507
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Posted - 2014.05.03 11:23:00 -
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And a bump to start off the day.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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AREA-51 4
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.05.03 11:26:00 -
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Spademan wrote:And a bump to start off the day.
the real dusts keynote will start in 1 1/2 hours (1300 eve time) free stream on eve site
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1510
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Posted - 2014.05.03 11:30:00 -
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AREA-51 4 wrote:Spademan wrote:And a bump to start off the day. the real dusts keynote will start in 1 1/2 hours (1300 eve time) free stream on eve site
I've a feeling it's just going to be another Legion talk.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Zetsumi Ravencroft
Ultramarine Corp
70
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Posted - 2014.05.03 11:35:00 -
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Spademan wrote:AREA-51 4 wrote:Spademan wrote:And a bump to start off the day. the real dusts keynote will start in 1 1/2 hours (1300 eve time) free stream on eve site I've a feeling it's just going to be another Legion talk.
You and me both dude... honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to hear a drunk Dust player beat the tar out of a Dev during the pub crawl for this **** they pulled...
M.A.G - RAVEN Vet
"I am not a man, I AM ARMOR WEARING ARMOR WITH A GUN!" - Zetsumi Ravencroft, when using a Sentinel
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1510
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Posted - 2014.05.03 12:01:00 -
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Zetsumi Ravencroft wrote:You and me both dude... honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to hear a drunk Dust player beat the tar out of a Dev during the pub crawl for this **** they pulled...
If they would just talk to us instead of avoiding the issue it wouldn't be so bad.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1510
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Posted - 2014.05.03 15:09:00 -
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I'm not going to give up until we have something, something.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1536
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:30:00 -
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Because apart from one post by Rogue, we still haven't heard anything.
Be reasonable, talk to us.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14628
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:31:00 -
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Blue tags should be on their way. I am holding them to it but let them get sober first.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1536
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:35:00 -
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Thanks, that's something at least.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5251
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:39:00 -
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If we aren't getting IMMEDIATE and VALID answers to our VALID questions, they absolutely NEED to be giving us a deadline - specific date and time - by which we WILL have valid, relevant and helpful answers.
And it needs to be sometime this coming week, or it's WAAAAAAY too late. |
RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
177
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:42:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Enji Elric wrote:I knew something was going to happen when CMDR Wang left
he left quietly and almost without anyone noticeing In hindsight, that probably should have raised more questions
Team True Grit being pulled off several months ago was the first sign.
Then Cmdr Wang without rhyme or reason, I think should've been a big red flag.
Live and learn, I guess.
GG, everybody.
Best of luck to all of my One-Armed Bandits, my homies in SAM-MIK, and all the Logis in the Funzone.
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Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
138
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:50:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Blue tags should be on their way. I am holding them to it but let them get sober first.
Oh, well, since the mighty and influential CPM is "holding them to it", I'm sure they'll be along any minute now!  |
Seamie Schmoove
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
183
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Posted - 2014.05.03 21:10:00 -
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I cant wait to see the backpeddling begin in earnest from the guys and gals
in Ccp on Monday....
Playing the game badly since Replication
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Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
141
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Posted - 2014.05.03 21:40:00 -
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Still waiting... |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14635
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Posted - 2014.05.03 21:48:00 -
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Mojo XXXIII wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Blue tags should be on their way. I am holding them to it but let them get sober first. Oh, well, since the mighty and influential CPM is "holding them to it", I'm sure they'll be along any minute now!
Nope party going on still >< and I lost track of everyone. Talked to a few more concerned dust players who had plenty of concerns with Dust and legion and it was insightful and ; got a free scammed in jita t-shirt.
Summit soon though which = plenty of face time with the CCP Rouge and the community team.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1545
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Posted - 2014.05.03 21:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Nope party going on still >< and I lost track of everyone. Talked to a few more concerned dust players who had plenty of concerns with Dust and legion and it was insightful and ; got a free scammed in jita t-shirt.
Summit soon though which = plenty of face time with the CCP Rouge and the community team.
Well I appreciate the effort Wolf, just please, try get them to speak to us with clarity, and come on the forums later and answer the questions in the thread Rogue set up.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
142
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Posted - 2014.05.03 21:55:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Blue tags should be on their way. I am holding them to it but let them get sober first. Oh, well, since the mighty and influential CPM is "holding them to it", I'm sure they'll be along any minute now! Nope party going on still >< and I lost track of everyone. Talked to a few more concerned dust players who had plenty of concerns with Dust and legion and it was insightful and ; got a free scammed in jita t-shirt. Summit soon though which = plenty of face time with the CCP Rouge and the community team.
At least we know that our CPM is as influential in getting the Devs to talk to us as they were when CCP planned this fiasco. Keep up the good work!
It's nice to know they're taking this situation, and all of our concerns, so seriously.
I hope they're enjoying the party. |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1548
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:30:00 -
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Paging Doctor Saber, any luck yet?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14642
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:37:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Paging Doctor Saber, any luck yet?
No and my ears and eyes are buned out for the day and tried to quench my thirst on some other 'flavors' of beer to no avail they taste the same to me still ><. That shot of that local icelandic drink during the pub crawl made from a local plant's fruit was oddly good not sure why everyone else hated it said something about it burning a hole through thier throat. Made my next sip of beer tolerable...
>< 10:30 Local 1730 Home; sleep cycle leading up to the trip was set to 1600 home so I miscalcualted my needed awake window.
Going to hit the bed and get some needed sleep.
Also an apology to anyone that wanted to talk more with me at the pubcraw last night by my left foot was murdering me; nearly collapsed on the way to the hotel.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1551
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:41:00 -
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Alright, thanks for trying. Hope to hear something tomorrow when everything (hopefully) settles down.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
168
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spademan wrote:Paging Doctor Saber, any luck yet? No and my ears and eyes are buned out for the day and tried to quench my thirst on some other 'flavors' of beer to no avail they taste the same to me still ><. That shot of that local icelandic drink during the pub crawl made from a local plant's fruit was oddly good not sure why everyone else hated it said something about it burning a hole through thier throat. Made my next sip of beer tolerable... >< 10:30 Local 1730 Home; sleep cycle leading up to the trip was set to 1600 home so I miscalcualted my needed awake window. Going to hit the bed and get some needed sleep. Also an apology to anyone that wanted to talk more with me at the pubcraw last night by my left foot was murdering me; nearly collapsed from the pain on the way to the hotel. Old Injury from the Navy + hard ground + uneven ground + bad shoes + long time = world of hurt for me
Well, as long as you're having a good time. That's the important thing.
Go get some rest, you've certainly earned it.
I'm sure all this nonsense can wait until tomorrow, or next week, or whenever the Devs get around to it, really. |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1567
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Posted - 2014.05.04 10:28:00 -
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Day 3, still waiting.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1246
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Posted - 2014.05.04 10:32:00 -
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I have to agree. The silence is deafening! They really need to do a press conference or something to assure the good people of Dust/Legion that they are not being exploited and/or screwed.
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meri jin
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
943
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Posted - 2014.05.04 10:37:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Look CCP, maybe you had a good reason for this, but how are we to know when you haven't said anything?
We've had one dev make a few passing comments on character transfers, that's it. Do you know how that makes us feel?
Look at the forums, they've exploded, it's not healthy. Please, just tell us something, anything.
What you did is not ok, but maybe we could understand if you just speak up.
Explaining EVE United would help as well, there are a view confusions and a lot questions.
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1580
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:17:00 -
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So, while we did hear from some devs it was, what? 5 posts? We need and deserve clear interaction.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Mike De Luca
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:36:00 -
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Spademan wrote:So, while we did hear from some devs it was, what? 5 posts? We need and deserve clear interaction.
Yep, go ahead n expect that soon(tm)
If biomassing or quitting, add yourself to the registry
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159832
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1580
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:38:00 -
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Mike De Luca wrote:Spademan wrote:So, while we did hear from some devs it was, what? 5 posts? We need and deserve clear interaction. Yep, go ahead n expect that soon(tm)
Someone's gotta try mate.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Ducttape Tinker
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:39:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Look CCP, maybe you had a good reason for this, but how are we to know when you haven't said anything?
We've had one dev make a few passing comments on character transfers, that's it. Do you know how that makes us feel?
Look at the forums, they've exploded, it's not healthy. Please, just tell us something, anything.
What you did is not ok, but maybe we could understand if you just speak up.
Boyo honestly not only silence.
They did big gash in skin of community, they cut our hand by taking community money for another product, they shoot community to head by implement our ideas in that another product and they finaly left community corpse withou any sorry.
They fcuking r/a/p/e us, mug us and throw us away like B/horror movie psycho.
Markdown
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:15:00 -
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CCP operations 101
Release some messed up plans/info on a friday
Ignore until monday
On monday remove all post assosiated with said information
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Mike De Luca
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:26:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Mike De Luca wrote:Spademan wrote:So, while we did hear from some devs it was, what? 5 posts? We need and deserve clear interaction. Yep, go ahead n expect that soon(tm) Someone's gotta try mate.
Yeah, I know. Just saying man, good luck.
If biomassing or quitting, add yourself to the registry
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159832
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
7009
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:29:00 -
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I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
(a¦á_a¦á)
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Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
2117
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:30:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
You may want to activate your Flame Shield before jumping in here, bro.
Follow me on Twitch.tv!
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
3032
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:34:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
the thing is...we want you guys to talk to us. are you willing or able to answer the questions that we have posed? For example...how doomed is Dust?
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
982
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:35:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
@ LogiBro...
I guess the first thing is do you guys understand why so many folksy felt they were dumped on they way all this came about?
There are some legitimately great things in the information CCP was putting out but how it was done was a horrendous way to deal with loyal paying customers (some of which flew to ICELAND to celebrate your product).
As for a technical question... what drove the choice of PC vs PS4 for the chosen next gen version of Dust / Legion?
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14001
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:36:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
Aside from leaving PS3 players in the proverbial dust, you have my full support for Legion, what little that amounts to. I've been so disheartened by the feeling that this game not only wasn't going anywhere quick, but COULDN'T. You really revived that sense of excitement I once had for DUST by announcing Legion, even though I WAS pretty pissed at how it all went down.
My only question right now for Legion is this: Will my Prometheus come back to me?
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:38:00 -
[58] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Aside from leaving PS3 players in the proverbial dust, you have my full support for Legion, what little that amounts to. I've been so disheartened by the feeling that this game not only wasn't going anywhere quick, but COULDN'T. You really revived that sense of excitement I once had for DUST by announcing Legion, even though I WAS pretty pissed at how it all went down. My only question right now for Legion is this: Will my Prometheus come back to me?
What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates.
What good is more power when you can't even accomplish what others before you have? PS3 wan't holding Dust back, cheap chinese labor was.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1586
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:39:00 -
[59] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
Thank you.
To begin with, can I ask you about Rogue's statement that our characters will be transferred, can we take that as 100% confirmation that if Legion becomes a product, that our characters will be brought to it?
And what is meant by "applicable skills"?
I recognise that you probably don't have all the answers, I just want you to do/say what you can, to reassure us that our progress wasn't a waste.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Ducttape Tinker
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:40:00 -
[60] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
Did you used directly community money and ideas, for pc port of dust514 aka dust2.0 aka legion?!
AND HONEST, NO BSHATES AROUND
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Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
182
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:41:00 -
[61] - Quote
I think many of us would like to know, first and foremost, EXACTLY how much support can we expect to see for Dust moving forward, and for how long? |
AFK Godfather
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:43:00 -
[62] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Aside from leaving PS3 players in the proverbial dust, you have my full support for Legion, what little that amounts to. I've been so disheartened by the feeling that this game not only wasn't going anywhere quick, but COULDN'T. You really revived that sense of excitement I once had for DUST by announcing Legion, even though I WAS pretty pissed at how it all went down. My only question right now for Legion is this: Will my Prometheus come back to me? What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates. What good is more power when you can't even accomplish what others before you have? PS3 wan't holding Dust back, cheap chinese labor was.
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MR-NASTY
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
236
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:45:00 -
[63] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
Put your tap dancing shoes on. Because we know all you can do is dance around the important questions and only give us a show of interest. |
SirManBoy
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
556
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:48:00 -
[64] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies? Quite frankly, I want my experience to matter a lot. My time and monetary investment deserves to be recognized in a very tangible way on the field of battle. Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. Make character development count! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5292
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:49:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
Seriously. That, for me, is the big one.
You KNEW this was the equivalent of killing off DUST. You had to. There is literally ZERO possibility of us taking this any other way. None. YOU KNEW.
The future of Legion is PC. The future of DUST is nothing. We had been led to believe that DUST would continue to see NEW CONTENT ON PS3 for some time, and we had been told that the game WOULD BE MOVING TO PS4 IN FUTURE. Now it's focused primarily on PC development with no plans for a PS4 release.
While we were still being assured that DUST was a long-term project that's going to be receiving long-term support, you were developing something completely separate, AND pushing sales for us to spend money on TO HELP YOU FUND WHAT YOU LIED ABOUT.
HOW DID YOU NOT SEE THIS REACTION COMING? HOW DID YOU NOT REALISE HOW UTTERLY AND INSANELY STUPID IT WAS TO HOLD ONTO THIS SECRET WHILE GOUGING PLAYERS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN?
I hold EVERYONE at CCP who knew about the project responsible. And I hold the CPMs responsible as well.
NONE of you should have let this happen. And you all did. |
pseudosnipre
Fatal Absolution
712
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:53:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
Why did you wait till Fanfest?
Limit to number of players on a given section of map?
Unreal 4, carbon, or other?
F2P or plex?
How will continuing to play dust benefit my Legion Character?
Will CCP encourage or discourage botting and aimhacks?
Legion test server and early alpha access based on dust merc account date?
Obviously you don't have hard answers, but sharing the direction you are leaning would be a nice thing to see...
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
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Kincate
DUST University
Ivy League
41
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:54:00 -
[67] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
There is support for this, I may be on the extreme side but I for one would prefer no new content for Dust 514 and focusing more resources on Legion.
Also while Ive got Dev eyes on
-Beta invites for Current dust players
- Discussion on what will happen if and when they merge "Identities" like they talked about at Fanfest
Otherwise +1 for legion. Be honest about what is going to happen and get it done right this time. |
pseudosnipre
Fatal Absolution
712
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:55:00 -
[68] - Quote
SirManBoy wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes.
I resemble that remark...
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
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Mortedeamor
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1506
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:58:00 -
[69] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Aside from leaving PS3 players in the proverbial dust, you have my full support for Legion, what little that amounts to. I've been so disheartened by the feeling that this game not only wasn't going anywhere quick, but COULDN'T. You really revived that sense of excitement I once had for DUST by announcing Legion, even though I WAS pretty pissed at how it all went down. My only question right now for Legion is this: Will my Prometheus come back to me? What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates. What good is more power when you can't even accomplish what others before you have? PS3 wan't holding Dust back, cheap chinese labor was.
Well said i agree.
CCP= EA
liars
thieves
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Mortedeamor
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1509
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:59:00 -
[70] - Quote
pseudosnipre wrote:SirManBoy wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. I resemble that remark...
Did you perhaps mean resent? a newb in english as well i see.
CCP= EA
liars
thieves
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2703
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:00:00 -
[71] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? Seriously. That, for me, is the big one. You KNEW this was the equivalent of killing off DUST. You had to. There is literally ZERO possibility of us taking this any other way. None. YOU KNEW. The future of Legion is PC. The future of DUST is nothing. We had been led to believe that DUST would continue to see NEW CONTENT ON PS3 for some time, and we had been told that the game WOULD BE MOVING TO PS4 IN FUTURE. Now it's focused primarily on PC development with no plans for a PS4 release. While we were still being assured that DUST was a long-term project that's going to be receiving long-term support, you were developing something completely separate, AND pushing sales for us to spend money on TO HELP YOU FUND WHAT YOU LIED ABOUT. HOW DID YOU NOT SEE THIS REACTION COMING? HOW DID YOU NOT REALISE HOW UTTERLY AND INSANELY STUPID IT WAS TO HOLD ONTO THIS SECRET WHILE GOUGING PLAYERS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN? I hold EVERYONE at CCP who knew about the project responsible. And I hold the CPMs responsible as well. NONE of you should have let this happen. And you all did.
Answer this please.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2703
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:01:00 -
[72] - Quote
Mortedeamor wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:
What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates.
What good is more power when you can't even accomplish what others before you have? PS3 wan't holding Dust back, cheap chinese labor was.
Well said i agree.
And this please.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Bat Cow
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:02:00 -
[73] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
Can we get some answers on Dust instead of Legion? As I understand it, Dust is here. Legion isn't, and may never be. These are the Dust forums, there were supposed to be Dust keynotes. I mean sure, congratulations on your new embryo, but what I'd like to know is:
1) Will there be any "updates" to Dust (new equipment, maps, etc.)? If so, when?
2) Will there be any "patches" (fixing terrain so we can finally run without having to jump over a 4" rock, etc.) If so, when?
3) Is Dust just going into "maintenance" mode until the number of players trickle down? If so, when?
Finally:
In many of the interviews on other websites, there appears to be a disdain of Dust and its supportive community by members of CCP- as if we're all simply an annoying bump in the road to Legion (and if Legion doesn't happen, who cares?). This, compounded with all the Aurum based events recently, surely you all should have anticipated the blow back that would come from this announcement.
I also game on a PC, and of course I like the idea of Legion, it's everything CCP originally said Dust was going to be.
So considering the current treatment of the Dust community, why should I follow or support either Legion or Valkyrie?
Moo.
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Chime Jigme
Gallente Anarchist Movement Extraordinaire
0
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:04:00 -
[74] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Aside from leaving PS3 players in the proverbial dust, you have my full support for Legion, what little that amounts to. I've been so disheartened by the feeling that this game not only wasn't going anywhere quick, but COULDN'T. You really revived that sense of excitement I once had for DUST by announcing Legion, even though I WAS pretty pissed at how it all went down. My only question right now for Legion is this: Will my Prometheus come back to me? What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates.
Out of interest and a chance for possible pro-PS3 arguments, what game are you talking about?
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2044
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:05:00 -
[75] - Quote
Chime Jigme wrote:Out of interest and a chance for possible pro-PS3 arguments, what game are you talking about?
MAG. Also it supported 256 players.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
Go Go Power Rangers!
R.I.P MAG.
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Ducttape Tinker
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
139
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:05:00 -
[76] - Quote
And nothing again, we going here in circles boyos, better idea is burn this "corn fields" ad find way out by ourselves.
CCP YOU SCREWING THINGS MORE CONGRATZ
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pseudosnipre
Fatal Absolution
712
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:06:00 -
[77] - Quote
Mortedeamor wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:SirManBoy wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. I resemble that remark... Did you perhaps mean resent? a newb in english as well i see.
Clearly one of us is a moron...and maybe even a 12 year-old.
I'll leave it to you and Google to decide which.
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2703
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:11:00 -
[78] - Quote
Bendtner92 wrote:Chime Jigme wrote:Out of interest and a chance for possible pro-PS3 arguments, what game are you talking about?
MAG. Also it supported 256 players.
And also had much deeper battles, where there was things like "tactics" and "squad movements" .
There you go, take a look at this map
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100905202322/wikimag/images/e/e1/Domination-Raven.jpg
Look closer, you can see bunkers, sensor array, Mortar, anti-air, barricade, gates, bridges, helicopters, tanks
This is a freaking ps3.
(Thank you Ani x, this is the most accurate Raven Dom map I've ever seen.)
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4038
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:12:00 -
[79] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Ducttape Tinker
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
139
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:14:00 -
[80] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
Cut that bshate.
YES we can or NO we cant
everything what we hear is still 50x50
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
7015
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:14:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. @ LogiBro... I guess the first thing is do you guys understand why so many folksy felt they were dumped on they way all this came about? There are some legitimately great things in the information CCP was putting out but how it was done was a horrendous way to deal with loyal paying customers (some of which flew to ICELAND to celebrate your product). As for a technical question... what drove the choice of PC vs PS4 for the chosen next gen version of Dust / Legion?
We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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bhold'the brngr ofLIKE
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:15:00 -
[82] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Chime Jigme wrote:Out of interest and a chance for possible pro-PS3 arguments, what game are you talking about?
MAG. Also it supported 256 players. And also had much deeper battles, where there was things like "tactics" and "squad movements" . There you go, take a look at this map http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100905202322/wikimag/images/e/e1/Domination-Raven.jpgLook closer, you can see bunkers, sensor array, Mortar, anti-air, barricade, gates, bridges, helicopters, tanks This is a freaking ps3. (Thank you Ani x, this is the most accurate Raven Dom map I've ever seen.)
the helicopters weren't even real vehicles they were just a stationary point with turrets and dressed up to look like a vehicle, the tanks weren't much more iirc. thats a poor example because mag was mostly infantry with a bunch of artillery spam every 5 seconds- also poorly implemented
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1588
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:15:00 -
[83] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
So Legion, if it becomes a product, may not even have a progression system at all?
Or do you mean aspects of it?
Or did I misread?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:17:00 -
[84] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
I don't think you get it...
The majority of the Dust players are not PC players won't be play Legion on the PC. You pushed events and sales for these people well knowing you would be cutting (well actually already had) the support for the game. That's basically stealing money from people.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
Go Go Power Rangers!
R.I.P MAG.
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WhatWhat DJINN TheButt
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:17:00 -
[85] - Quote
Ducttape Tinker wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Cut that bshate. YES we can or NO we cant everything what we hear is still 50x50
Your request doesn't make sense. Legion is not at a point in development where they know what the equivalent of your character's properties are or even whether there will be one or not.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1588
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:19:00 -
[86] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:
We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again)
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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castba
Penguin's March
417
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:20:00 -
[87] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
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Ducttape Tinker
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
139
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:20:00 -
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WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Cut that bshate. YES we can or NO we cant everything what we hear is still 50x50 Your request doesn't make sense. Legion is not at a point in development where they know what the equivalent of your character's properties are or even whether there will be one or not.
It makes sence, i just want to know if they will make it or not.
He told they can transfer on dust, but no guarantee in legion.
If someone want transfer persone frm dust to legion, thats a question and we still do not have answer.
And tbh i still waiting for statement for my question.
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2705
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:21:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
Then, we all need a PC to protect our investments? In other words, we have to spend more money buying a PC in order to spend more money on your game?
E io pago!
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2049
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:23:00 -
[90] - Quote
bhold'the brngr ofLIKE wrote:the helicopters weren't even real vehicles they were just a stationary point with turrets and dressed up to look like a vehicle, the tanks weren't much more iirc. thats a poor example because mag was mostly infantry with a bunch of artillery spam every 5 seconds- also poorly implemented
Artillery spam? Poorly implemented? Me thinks you mixing up MAG with Dust here.
Airstrikes in MAG had a looong cooldown (like 5+ minutes), had a smoke signal beforehand which meant people were alerted a strike was incoming and didn't come down immediately.
On the other hand, in Dust a squad can collect enough WP for a strike in much less time and it strikes immediately (there's a warning, but that's not of any use when it strikes immediately).
I know which of those scenarios gives the most "spam".
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
Go Go Power Rangers!
R.I.P MAG.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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If you knew console only gamers would be angry, and you had weeks, if not months to inform us of your intentions, and you had (have) no concrete knowledge of how you will compensate those making the change over for their previous time and monetary expenditures, why did you continue to encourage us to spend money on a product you knew had a limited life?
Nos Nothi for Life
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Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
887
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:24:00 -
[92] - Quote
bhold'the brngr ofLIKE wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Chime Jigme wrote:Out of interest and a chance for possible pro-PS3 arguments, what game are you talking about?
MAG. Also it supported 256 players. And also had much deeper battles, where there was things like "tactics" and "squad movements" . There you go, take a look at this map http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100905202322/wikimag/images/e/e1/Domination-Raven.jpgLook closer, you can see bunkers, sensor array, Mortar, anti-air, barricade, gates, bridges, helicopters, tanks This is a freaking ps3. (Thank you Ani x, this is the most accurate Raven Dom map I've ever seen.) the helicopters weren't even real vehicles they were just a stationary point with turrets and dressed up to look like a vehicle, the tanks weren't much more iirc. thats a poor example because mag was mostly infantry with a bunch of artillery spam every 5 seconds- also poorly implemented
There is soooo much smoke and mirrors going on there that simply can't be implemented in Dust.
Just to make the game run as it is, CCP are utilizing every scrap of the PS3s pathetic ram, plus hard drive streaming, plus network streaming, stuff you probably shouldn't do all at once - there simply isn't more tricks left in the book. |
SCAT mania
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
458
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:26:00 -
[93] - Quote
"skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion"
i dont care for skills.. i want my sp.. 2 very different things. if i was to go to legion i should 30 mill sp to spend. you sound as if you guys are going to transfer all my skillz over as they are now and the drop the skillz iv skilled into that are not in the game, meaning a loose sp.
IE all mercs transferring over to legion should have all sp from dust un-allocated and ready spend
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
7023
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:29:00 -
[94] - Quote
Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again)
I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5301
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:29:00 -
[95] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
I'm sorry, but that WASN'T what I was asking.
I was asking WHY YOU KEPT QUIET, not whether you're planning to transfer the content into a new game which many players aren't going to be at all interested in because it's not on either of the platforms we had been told the game would be supporting in future.
So, once again, HOW DID THIS NOT GET LEAKED WHILE PEOPLE WERE BEING SHAFTED IN THOSE SALES? |
Nstomper
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
545
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:30:00 -
[96] - Quote
Quote:We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites
i guess i can accept that for now
but i do suggest more body for you and the other devs when you dare log into the forums
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Captain Crutches
Nexus Marines
90
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:31:00 -
[97] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
I think the guy meant that having massive sales on AUR/gear packs right before making the announcement seems like a last minute money grab before the inevitable rage from console players, and people are mad about that because it seems kinda dishonest, like you were adding insult to injury by asking for their money before throwing them under the bus. Care to comment on that?
Legion is absolutely the right move for the future of Dust. How CCP went about revealing it is the biggest problem.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2706
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:31:00 -
[98] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again) I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes.
"Guinea Dust Bunnies".
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14001
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:34:00 -
[99] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes.
Do you want a quality PS4 port? If so, PC has to be made and optimized first.
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Ducttape Tinker
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:34:00 -
[100] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again) I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first. pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes.
They planed it, read this boyo.
Markdown
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
220
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:35:00 -
[101] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. Do you want a quality PS4 port? If so, PC has to be made and optimized first.
It didn't have to be first, they choose it for there own time comfort, regardless of how it spits in our face.
How many times are people going to say, "But it's easy to port over!" before they realize it means the same backwards too?
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1590
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:37:00 -
[102] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:
I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
I was afraid to hear that.
Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"?
Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at?
The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5304
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:37:00 -
[103] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Then, we all need a PC to protect our investments? In other words, we have to spend more money buying a PC in order to spend more money on your game? E io pago!
To be fair with this one, we HAD been told all along that the game wasn't going to stay on PS3 indefinitely. Moving to PC or PS4 was always part of the plan.
But it had been announced that DUST was going to be moving to PS4, and people had been led to believe quite strongly that PS4 was the future, and not PC, or if it did move to PC, it would be after the PS4 version.
They intentionally AVOIDED correcting us on that information while pushing sales to people who had the perfectly reasonable expectation for DUST to be moving onto the next-gen console.
Even if they hadn't told us about Legion at all, and just announced "we're not certain of PS4 support, but the future development of DUST will be moving it to PC when we go next-gen", that would have been enough before Fanfest. Save all the pretty and shiny extras, but that NEEDED to be said A LONG TIME AGO. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2708
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:37:00 -
[104] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. Do you want a quality PS4 port? If so, PC has to be made and optimized first.
A port? Actually, Dust 514 has been "ported" to PC with this Eve : Legion project.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14001
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:37:00 -
[105] - Quote
SoTasLost Property wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. Do you want a quality PS4 port? If so, PC has to be made and optimized first. It didn't have to be first, they choose it for there own time comfort, regardless of how it spits in our face. How many times are people going to say, "But it's easy to port over!" before they realize it means the same backwards too?
How is developing on an unfamiliar system with more constraints "the same" to you?
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2708
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:39:00 -
[106] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Then, we all need a PC to protect our investments? In other words, we have to spend more money buying a PC in order to spend more money on your game? E io pago! To be fair with this one, we HAD been told all along that the game wasn't going to stay on PS3 indefinitely. Moving to PC or PS4 was always part of the plan. But it had been announced that DUST was going to be moving to PS4, and people had been led to believe quite strongly that PS4 was the future, and not PC, or if it did move to PC, it would be after the PS4 version. They intentionally AVOIDED correcting us on that information while pushing sales to people who had the perfectly reasonable expectation for DUST to be moving onto the next-gen console. Even if they hadn't told us about Legion at all, and just announced "we're not certain of PS4 support, but the future development of DUST will be moving it to PC when we go next-gen", that would have been enough before Fanfest. Save all the pretty and shiny extras, but that NEEDED to be said A LONG TIME AGO.
Yeah, I mean, who owns a ps3 now will likely buy or already have a ps4. I'm just not going to buy a performing PC to play Legion.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Kincate
DUST University
Ivy League
41
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:40:00 -
[107] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again) I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
Obviously I know it is not your descision to green light anything or confirm or deny anything being green lit. However pass it up to just greenlight and or confirm it has the green light, any damage which might be dibe us akready done and in my eyes this is as good as green already. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2708
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:40:00 -
[108] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:SoTasLost Property wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. Do you want a quality PS4 port? If so, PC has to be made and optimized first. It didn't have to be first, they choose it for there own time comfort, regardless of how it spits in our face. How many times are people going to say, "But it's easy to port over!" before they realize it means the same backwards too? How is developing on an unfamiliar system with more constraints "the same" to you?
This excuse may work with ps3, not ps4.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4039
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:40:00 -
[109] - Quote
Ducttape Tinker wrote:
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
7025
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:40:00 -
[110] - Quote
Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations.
I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release.
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
(a¦á_a¦á)
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Csikszent Mihalyi
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:41:00 -
[111] - Quote
SoTasLost Property wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. Do you want a quality PS4 port? If so, PC has to be made and optimized first. It didn't have to be first, they choose it for there own time comfort, regardless of how it spits in our face. How many times are people going to say, "But it's easy to port over!" before they realize it means the same backwards too?
It does, but the important thing is that it's easier to develop for PC. This gives CCP more freedom and flexibility to get the game right (as we now know, that's not a given). Once they reach that state, they can make a more informed decision about whether it's worth spending the resources to bring the game to a console platform again.
It just makes a whole lot more sense this way around. |
SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
223
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:43:00 -
[112] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:SoTasLost Property wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. Do you want a quality PS4 port? If so, PC has to be made and optimized first. It didn't have to be first, they choose it for there own time comfort, regardless of how it spits in our face. How many times are people going to say, "But it's easy to port over!" before they realize it means the same backwards too? How is developing on an unfamiliar system with more constraints "the same" to you?
Don't give me that, it's the same crap, same graphics card even. The literal only constraints are working with PSN - which CCP themselves have admitted Sony does a wonderful job helping take off red tape for them to move around in.
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Csikszent Mihalyi
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:43:00 -
[113] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:SoTasLost Property wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. Do you want a quality PS4 port? If so, PC has to be made and optimized first. It didn't have to be first, they choose it for there own time comfort, regardless of how it spits in our face. How many times are people going to say, "But it's easy to port over!" before they realize it means the same backwards too? How is developing on an unfamiliar system with more constraints "the same" to you? This excuse may work with ps3, not ps4.
Not quite true. While PS4 is a PC architecture, that only refers to the hardware, not the SDK and infrastructure. It's still a whole lot different to making games on the PC. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1684
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:43:00 -
[114] - Quote
Ducttape Tinker wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again) I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first. pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. They planed it, read this boyo.
they'll look at it again in three years lol.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1006
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:44:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote:
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials.
That's a yes. I mean, all these events, all these Aurum sales, pretty shady ****. If you think its not, well, then all respect is gone Saber (there isn't really any left, but, in a figurative way).
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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Csikszent Mihalyi
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:45:00 -
[116] - Quote
SoTasLost Property wrote:The literal only constraints are working with PSN - which CCP themselves have admitted Sony does a wonderful job helping take off red tape for them to move around in.
That's actually code for "we don't want to upset Sony, but dealing with the platform constraints is a giant PITA". I thought that much was obvious. :P |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2708
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:47:00 -
[117] - Quote
Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:
Not quite true. While PS4 is a PC architecture, that only refers to the hardware, not the SDK and infrastructure. It's still a whole lot different to making games on the PC.
No it's simply not. Google it.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1436
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:47:00 -
[118] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations. I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release.
I appreciate your honesty Logibro. I (and many others) don't like what you're saying, but I appreciate you telling us anyway. o7
We are the 514, and we will not forget
RIP Dust
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1591
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:48:00 -
[119] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations. I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release.
Very well.
Can I now redirect my questions to Dust, is there anything you can tell us about the coming dust in terms of content, can we expect any maps/modes/weapons? Do you know a rough timeline of how long the game will be supported?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:48:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote:
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials. That's a yes. I mean, all these events, all these Aurum sales, pretty shady ****. If you think its not, well, then all respect is gone Saber (there isn't really any left, but, in a figurative way).
You really think DUST was financially successful? There is a reason we talked so much about EVE subscriptions subsidizing the game (which of course the PC users weren't all happy about either). We don't know what the specifics are, but we know that Saberwing wouldn't be able to tell you either way so it's pointless making assumptions. |
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Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
612
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SCAT mania wrote:"skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion"
i dont care for skills.. i want my sp.. 2 very different things. if i was to go to legion i should have 30 mill sp to spend. you sound as if you guys are going to transfer all my skillz over as they are now and the drop the skillz iv skilled into that are not in the game, meaning a loose sp.
IE all mercs transferring over to legion should have all sp from dust un-allocated and ready spend
This just isn't going to happen, I'm sorry.
So many of Dust's problem are intrinsically linked to the progression system, CCP will be making serious changes in this area I guarantee you, unless they want Legion to fail in the same way Dust did.
Whatever the final design of their equivalent of a skill system, the likelihood you can just transfer in as a premade BitterVet is essentially zero. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1686
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:50:00 -
[122] - Quote
Mortedeamor wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Aside from leaving PS3 players in the proverbial dust, you have my full support for Legion, what little that amounts to. I've been so disheartened by the feeling that this game not only wasn't going anywhere quick, but COULDN'T. You really revived that sense of excitement I once had for DUST by announcing Legion, even though I WAS pretty pissed at how it all went down. My only question right now for Legion is this: Will my Prometheus come back to me? What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates. What good is more power when you can't even accomplish what others before you have? PS3 wan't holding Dust back, cheap chinese labor was. Well said i agree.
seconded
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
429
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:51:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again) I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
Well then, I would hope gamers' "investments" are held for a few years after Legion releases.
They shouldnt be expected to follow CCP's tail until the game is finally out
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1686
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:52:00 -
[124] - Quote
pseudosnipre wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:SirManBoy wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. I resemble that remark... Did you perhaps mean resent? a newb in english as well i see. Clearly one of us is a moron...and maybe even a 12 year-old. I'll leave it to you and Google to decide which.
i'm thinking he's not privy to your ironicals.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1686
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:54:00 -
[125] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations. I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release.
i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Hecarim Van Hohen
1338
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:56:00 -
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While I do agree with the general topic of this thread I'm forced to state once more that CCP Saberwing skips leg day and the proof is here (CCP Saberwing on the left, skipping leg day)
State your stance on EVE:Legion
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
429
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:56:00 -
[127] - Quote
Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:[quote=xxwhitedevilxx M]
Not quite true. While PS4 is a PC architecture, that only refers to the hardware, not the SDK and infrastructure. It's still a whole lot different to making games on the PC.
Its very simple and possibly has little to do with the PS4
They dont want to be beholden to Sony ie having to jump through QA hoops and do proper management for delivery of content. On PC they can release and update whenever they like.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:56:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
I'm glad you are acknowledging our "investment". An investment of time and money in the vision CCP sold us over the last two years.
Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2709
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:56:00 -
[129] - Quote
low genius wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations. I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release. i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion.
So, I suppose you already know how to stop wall hacks and aimbots in such a competitive game like "Legion" that would even affect another game, right? just asking, because, you know, ps4 is ironclad...
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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mollerz
3446
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:58:00 -
[130] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
What about OSX? Eve has an OSX client that is pretty awesome. You guys seem comfortable with that.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Kincate
DUST University
Ivy League
41
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:58:00 -
[131] - Quote
low genius wrote:
i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion.
I disagree. Your idea that the majority would not support the game is based off of the fact you yourself will not support the game. |
Ducttape Tinker
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
143
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:00:00 -
[132] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote:
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY
this is enough, im just..i must go, this is ridiclous.
Markdown
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5305
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:02:00 -
[133] - Quote
Mortedeamor wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:SirManBoy wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. I resemble that remark... Did you perhaps mean resent? a newb in english as well i see.
Fixed the post you quoted so you can see why you're the "newb" (haven't seen that spelling in a LOOONG time) |
Hecarim Van Hohen
1338
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:03:00 -
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low genius wrote:i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion.
My thread is showing opposite but to be fair some people quit or biomassed that will not be tracked alongside those who never visit the forums
State your stance on EVE:Legion
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
405
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:04:00 -
[135] - Quote
Why did you not think of all the obvious questions we would have until after we asked them? Why did you name all the legion presentations "dust"? That ties into why you waited so long to announce this "project". (?) and why in gods name was the keynote 20 minutes long? Sorry for grammer, I'm on my phone right now.
My reaction to Legion
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4042
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:06:00 -
[136] - Quote
ResistanceGTA wrote:
That's a yes. I mean, all these events, all these Aurum sales, pretty shady ****. If you think its not, well, then all respect is gone Saber (there isn't really any left, but, in a figurative way).
It's not really. They're 2 separate things...asking where we fund the development of Legion is different than asking if there's a relationship between the promotions and the reveal of Legion.
While I can't answer your first question, I can assure you that there is no correlation between sales promotions and revealing Legion - as I said in my previous post, we're going to do our best to transfer everything across.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Csikszent Mihalyi
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
257
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:06:00 -
[137] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:
Not quite true. While PS4 is a PC architecture, that only refers to the hardware, not the SDK and infrastructure. It's still a whole lot different to making games on the PC.
No it's simply not. Google it.
Well I haven't worked with Playstation before but as a game developer this is of course a subject I'm interested in. So I'm afraid that "google it" is not really helping me to see your point.
Are you saying that the SDK is identical to what you get on the PC? It isn't. Unreal Engine abstracts most of that, but not everything CCP does with their games is covered by Unreal.
Or are you saying that the infrastructure is identical? It may be a more open platform than the PS3, but that doesn't mean it's as anything-goes as the PC is. You still have to deal with a lot of restrictions.
Another thing that needs to be considered is that with the PS4 you are limited to one set of specifications. If you ever reach its limits, that's it. No more expansion, or you have to wait until the next console generation. From that perspective it's a lot more reasonable to build the game first and then see how it matches up with the PS4 capabilities, rather than make that discovery when it's already too late to change (as happened with DUST). |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4042
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:08:00 -
[138] - Quote
mollerz wrote:
What about OSX? Eve has an OSX client that is pretty awesome. You guys seem comfortable with that.
I spoke to the guys about this in Shanghai. I know a PC client is the current priority (I haven't seen any mention of Mac development yet!)
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1594
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:09:00 -
[139] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:
It's not really. They're 2 separate things...asking where we fund the development of Legion is different than asking if there's a relationship between the promotions and the reveal of Legion.
While I can't answer your first question, I can assure you that there is no correlation between sales promotions and revealing Legion - as I said in my previous post, we're going to do our best to transfer everything across.
Would you mind if I asked, what was the intent behind the event during FanFest weekend? Did the team working on the event not know about the announcement?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4044
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:11:00 -
[140] - Quote
mollerz wrote:
Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base.
I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Poultryge1st
Da Short Buss
RISE of LEGION
68
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:13:00 -
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Thanks for answering our questions logibro and and saberwing.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
7365
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:13:00 -
[142] - Quote
Nice to see some responses from the devs.
I have a question; IF you ever do plan on releasing Legion for the PS4, will DUST players still be able to transfer the same things that players migrating from DUST to Eve on the PC will be? (I apologize if the wording here is confusing .-.)
"We're not good at keeping secrets at CCP" -CCP Rouge
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Citpaan Hacos
Hired Bums
53
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:15:00 -
[143] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
You did not answer the question you quoted.
You answered a question that is on everyone's lips, and leads out of of the question you quoted
But you did. not. answer. the. question. quoted.
Also between this
CCP Saberwing wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote: we will hear about solid concrete plans and development going forward?
This, can confirm.
Very little in the way of plans, and certainly nothing that can be described as concrete.
Between this the WoD thing, Saberwing buddy, you have little to no credibility with the playerbase. Best leave the posting to Logibro for now. |
Bat Cow
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:18:00 -
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Why aren't we receiving any updates on what is happening/will happen to Dust in the next year or so?
I highly doubt CCP would really announce an idea for a game (Legion) without having a game plan for their current product. Since we're hearing nothing on this front it only reinforces the perception that Dust is being left to languish.
At this point I'm assuming that maybe nothing is being said about the future of Dust because to do so would tip CCP's hand that staffing changes are on the horizon.*
*- Not trying to be inflammatory or anything- just all the talk is about a speculative product and nothing about Dust
Moo.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2710
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:21:00 -
[145] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Then, we all need a PC to protect our investments? In other words, we have to spend more money buying a PC in order to spend more money on your game? E io pago!
May you answer this? Why are you moving on another platform instead of ps4 if your player base is on ps3?
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Nstomper
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
545
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:23:00 -
[146] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:
I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future.
Dont worry you guys may get to play against the guys and girls in this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2127481#post2127481 not including me im stull unsure
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5307
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:25:00 -
[147] - Quote
Citpaan Hacos wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. You did not answer the question you quoted. You answered a question that is on everyone's lips, and leads out of of the question you quoted But you did. not. answer. the. question. quoted.
That's what I said too. |
MR-NASTY
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
244
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:26:00 -
[148] - Quote
Since this conversation is not about dust its about legion
The locker room is
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Can we please get somE news on DUST! A six month plan? |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
779
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:29:00 -
[149] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
Whaaa? Just convert all skills to SP, and then move them over.
Convert all base unused assets to AUR and ISK
Then attach token IDs to that list based off of the BPO ID's
It could be automated relatively quickly:
PlayerName TransferID:234125312645743 (for proving character ownership if needed)
Aur Total: blah
Isk Total: Blah
SP Total: Blahblahdablah
BPO-ID: 234, 156, 626, 29, 3, 46 etc
Then have it automate through all users and have a list that is in text format and fully capable of being read back from the other side. DONE.
Once it gets over to the other side, you can scale the SP and ISK to fit the new location, but you must include public documentation of how and why you are doing so.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1386
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:29:00 -
[150] - Quote
Will there ever be an acknowledgement that the way this information was presented was at best unfair to the players?
Some kind of apology for not letting us know sooner, and for waiting until the worst possible moment to inform us?
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Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
192
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:30:00 -
[151] - Quote
MR-NASTY wrote:Since this conversation is not about dust its about legion
The locker room is
<--------------------------------------- that way
Can we please get somE news on DUST! A six month plan?
Maybe we should start reporting all these off-topic Legion threads.  |
BioClone Ax-45
Grupo de Asalto Chacal
RISE of LEGION
43
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:30:00 -
[152] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:mollerz wrote:
Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base.
I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future.
I think you should make a post or something saying just SORRY, not really about your choice to move, about the way you did It and the time you did it.
Would be a good start so maibe fans will think about give you a future chance.
I really feel sadness, CCP never did anything agains me to lost faith on the company until that Dust keynote. Now I cant see even EvE the same way. :'( |
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
7028
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:33:00 -
[153] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:Will there ever be an acknowledgement that the way this information was presented was at best unfair to the players?
Some kind of apology for not letting us know sooner, and for waiting until the worst possible moment to inform us?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132553#post2132553
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
406
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:35:00 -
[154] - Quote
Where was the word "sorry" in that post?
My reaction to Legion
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S Park Finner
DUST University
Ivy League
362
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:40:00 -
[155] - Quote
Development for DUST 514 on PS3 has fairly long lead times. If DUST 514 is still supported then there is something in the pipeline now.
We don't have to have a release date -- but it would go a long way to building a bit of credibility if you could say what is under development. If there is nothing under development then we could put that to rest and just get on with enjoying what we have if we can.
It is but to keep the nerves at strain, to dry one's eyes and laugh at a fall, and baffled, get up and begin again.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1596
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:41:00 -
[156] - Quote
I don't mean to be rude, but I'd like to press you for an answer to this:
Quote: is there anything you can tell us about the coming dust in terms of content, can we expect any maps/modes/weapons? Do you know a rough timeline of how long the game will be supported?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
7368
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:41:00 -
[157] - Quote
Patrick57 wrote:Nice to see some responses from the devs.
I have a question; IF you ever do plan on releasing Legion for the PS4, will DUST players still be able to transfer the same things that players migrating from DUST to Eve on the PC will be? (I apologize if the wording here is confusing .-.)
Please, LogiBro (or Saberwing), I'd really appreciate an answer. At least a yes or no if this is possible.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4048
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:41:00 -
[158] - Quote
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:
Whaaa? Just convert all skills to SP, and then move them over.
That would be a good way to do it, as long as SP is maintained at a 1:1 ratio (or some equivalent, I'm not a game designer :) Whatever happens, we will do what we can to make that transition transparent and fair.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
983
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:42:00 -
[159] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:mollerz wrote:
Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base.
I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future.
@ CCP Saberwing, CCP Logibro, and CCP Rouge...
Would you be willing to come on our podcast - BIOMASSED next week to basically get a do-over on how things were introduced to us? The podcast is ran by Pokey Dravon, Soraya Xel, and myself...feel free to check our post history and talk to Hans, Nova, and Kain about us.
Bottom line - the mishandled roll-out covered up what potentially could have been great news for the community and seeded doubt, confusion, and generated some serious negativity.
Trust is a finite resource in the service industry and you have a lot of customers feeling burned right now.
Will you guys come on the show and engage with us to help clear the air?
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1386
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:43:00 -
[160] - Quote
I was always taught that apology did not end with a BUT.
That was read as more of a matter of fact statement acknowledging that we are upset.
I was thinking more along the lines of a dev blog by Rouge that would simply be an apology, without any need to temper it with justifications.
Specifically, if not towards the Dust community as a whole, to those who spent lots of money to fly to Iceland just for Dust only to be disappointed (and that is an understatement).
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1010
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:45:00 -
[161] - Quote
Now, on the talk of character transfers, how would that, in theory, work? You can't sign in using a PSN since this is skipping over Sony, so would it be some form of link system to your e-mail connection? Some sort of custom link?
I'm mainly asking because, as I won't buy a PC for one questionable game, I'd like to sell my character if there are perks to existing BPOs/SP amounts/etc. Being at 45 million SP and having a decent number of BPOs, I could maybe fetch a little for this guy.
PS, add in the ability to change names, that'll really add some value to our investments.
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
578
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:46:00 -
[162] - Quote
whats our chance's of a trade window. (market even)
any new maps mode's gun's?
basicly are we going to get any new content or is that it done.
thank you for your time reading this and hopefully replying. |
bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
729
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:49:00 -
[163] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
People here have tried to make themselves super clear as well. We are angry, you duped us into buying more Aurum when you had no intention of moving the game forward. Now, tell me this, if you can be clear on it. Before CCP took on the project of developing a shooter game based on the console(PS3), ddi you not know what your companies capabilities were?
While you're at it CCP, suck the middle of my dick!
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5312
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:55:00 -
[164] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:I was always taught that apology did not end with a BUT. That was read as more of a matter of fact statement acknowledging that we are upset. I was thinking more along the lines of a dev blog by Rouge that would simply be an apology, without any need to temper it with justifications. Specifically, if not towards the Dust community as a whole, to those who spent lots of money to fly to Iceland just for Dust only to be disappointed (and that is an understatement).
You asked two questions.
The link answers the first.
There is no response (yet) to the second.
Kind of like how my question got quoted and not answered. At least they got one of yours.  |
Citpaan Hacos
Hired Bums
55
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:56:00 -
[165] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:That would be a good way to do it, as long as SP is maintained at a 1:1 ratio .
It can be done regardless of the differences in progression.
DUST has a max SP, it may take a while, but you can cap out.
Take the total SP needed to cap, and express each player's SP as a percentage of that total.
Everybody gets that percentage progress transferred to Legion. (Or a fraction, as long as the fraction is the same for everyone.)
You can even do the same for ISK/Gear. You just find a Big Mac Index / PPP for DUST, do the same for Legion, and boom, you have a translation. BPOs are a sticking point that needs more work, but it's an edge case.
This isn't hard, it just takes a bit of fidelity and thought. Which have sadly been lacking. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2715
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:57:00 -
[166] - Quote
bigolenuts wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. People here have tried to make themselves super clear as well. We are angry, you duped us into buying more Aurum when you had no intention of moving the game forward. Now, tell me this, if you can be clear on it. Before CCP took on the project of developing a shooter game based on the console(PS3), ddi you not know what your companies capabilities were?
In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Timothy Reaper
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
893
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:59:00 -
[167] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
I realize that one or two Devs may not have all the answers to such uncomfortable (but valid) questions, but please stop trying to dance around the issue, it only makes you look bad.  |
Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
76
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:00:00 -
[168] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. @ LogiBro... I guess the first thing is do you guys understand why so many folksy felt they were dumped on they way all this came about? There are some legitimately great things in the information CCP was putting out but how it was done was a horrendous way to deal with loyal paying customers (some of which flew to ICELAND to celebrate your product). As for a technical question... what drove the choice of PC vs PS4 for the chosen next gen version of Dust / Legion? We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days. As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process. Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
So, basically, you said **** it for the console, ramped up AUR sales without telling us you're canceling the game and you also don't even know if Legion will be green-lit (which it probably will so you can shut up the EVE players constantly bitching about wanting a PC shooter) and, on top of all of that, you don't even know that you'll be able to convert our characters over to legion, instead, you'll try to give us some (probably) crappy incentive to come over.
Well, I for one, will not be rushing out to buy a 1000 dollar PC that will be able to play Legion. I'll continue to play Dust until it dies in a few weeks, then I will go get a PC when Star Citizen comes out and a PS4 for Destiny. I won't get an EVE account or a Valkyrie account or a Legion account. You have screwed us console players over and I won't offer any more support to your company. |
DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14009
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:02:00 -
[169] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it.
I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed.
Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that.
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
872
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:02:00 -
[170] - Quote
Spademan wrote:Look CCP, maybe you had a good reason for this, but how are we to know when you haven't said anything?
We've had one dev make a few passing comments on character transfers, that's it. Do you know how that makes us feel?
Look at the forums, they've exploded, it's not healthy. Please, just tell us something, anything.
What you did is not ok, but maybe we could understand if you just speak up.
FUKKING A BRO!
This crap will kill your DUST fan base, CCP. You are coming across as secretive, uncaring of your fans and greedy.
Munch
Minmatar Patriot (Level 7)
Dedicated Sniper
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5314
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:05:00 -
[171] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it.
The vast majority would have welcomed a PC port IF THEY HANDLED THE ANNOUNCEMENT WITH SOMETHING VAGUELY RESEMBLING COMPETENCE. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2717
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:05:00 -
[172] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that.
Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14009
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:07:00 -
[173] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive.
You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre?
You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market?
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
431
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:12:00 -
[174] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market?
AAA - you heard!!!!
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
7368
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:13:00 -
[175] - Quote
I came up with a question I feel is better.
What sort of developments are being worked on for Dust? I realize that you are now "laser focused" on Legion, but can us Dusters expect anything new, other than hotfixes and changes to current features?
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Zion Shad
ZionTCD
2215
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:13:00 -
[176] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
You owe me a shirt... Oh and glad to see you chatting
Co-Owner of Multiplexgaming.com
Co-Host of PODSIDE on iTunes
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1011
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:14:00 -
[177] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market?
What exactly will set Legion apart from every other FPS on PCs? It has burning trees because leaves don't exist in its universe? Because it has rocks? A PvE mode, like any old horde mode? What exactly makes it different, is it that EVE players will come play it? Is that it, so it can regrab an audience that CCP owns? Having EVE pilots drop strikes? The supposed boarding of ships (let's be realistic here), is that it?
I know that Prophecy video made EVE, Legion, and Valkyrie interacting look amazing, but, that won't happen, at least not for a long, long time (isn't Valkyrie gonna be on its own server anyway?).
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14009
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:15:00 -
[178] - Quote
ResistanceGTA wrote:[What exactly will set Legion apart from every other FPS on PCs? It has burning trees because leaves don't exist in its universe? Because it has rocks? A PvE mode, like any old horde mode? What exactly makes it different, is it that EVE players will come play it? Is that it, so it can regrab an audience that CCP owns? Having EVE pilots drop strikes? The supposed boarding of ships (let's be realistic here), is that it?
I know that Prophecy video made EVE, Legion, and Valkyrie interacting look amazing, but, that won't happen, at least not for a long, long time (isn't Valkyrie gonna be on its own server anyway?).
So what you're saying is just scrap the DUST IP?
Because it's just an upgraded form of DUST, so, if it's garbage, then what exactly is DUST?
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Timothy Reaper
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
895
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:15:00 -
[179] - Quote
DUST Fiend & xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Blah, blah, blah...
Please don't start that old argument here. We're finally getting some answers from CCP. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5316
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:16:00 -
[180] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market?
I don't think a PC port of DUST with new content and upgraded graphics has any better chance of being "not mediocre" than a PS4 port of DUST with new content and upgraded graphics.
You think a difference in platform with literally ZERO hardware differences would necessitate such a significant amount more work that they can make a quality product on one platform but not the other? |
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2718
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:17:00 -
[181] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market?
Oh, wait,right now Dust is garbage. The player base is still here because they invested their time and money in CCP's dreams. It's like taking our money and develop the game on a different platform, that's it. Imagine, how would Eve players feel if they were told that a version of Eve with awesome cool stuffs was going to be developed on, let's say, PS 5 and left you with a "but you can still play Eve on PC, no worries!". Jita wouldn't simply burn, it would implode.
So, answering directly to your question, no. Dust as is would never be a good competitor in fps on consoles. But that's why they should develop Legion on ps4! This was the plan, just stick with it.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
331
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:17:00 -
[182] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:mollerz wrote:
Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base.
I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future.
Yeah its frustrating. Because you people are essentially telling us that content we purchased on playstation 3 is pretty much crap now but there is a chance that we may be able to use it on the conditions that you can transfer it and that we buy a pc.
Are you going to offer reimbursement to those who cant/wont get a pc in order to play their playstation dlc?
Or are you just going to tell us to **** off now that you have our money?
I mean youve already changed your game and dlc terms and conditions on the ps store twice now in order to screw over consumers. And I see you changed dust from 24v24 to 16v16 yesterday afternoon on the ps store.
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
433
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:18:00 -
[183] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. The vast majority would have welcomed a PC port IF THEY HANDLED THE ANNOUNCEMENT WITH SOMETHING VAGUELY RESEMBLING COMPETENCE.
None of the C's stand for competence - this just too easy
But really, I have been here a year plus and I have heard the arguments for and against CCP. Judging them and what they have promised and what they have delivered says more than enough.
The quality of what has been delivered and the lack of explanation for what hasnt speaks for itself.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1395
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:18:00 -
[184] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I was always taught that apology did not end with a BUT. That was read as more of a matter of fact statement acknowledging that we are upset. I was thinking more along the lines of a dev blog by Rouge that would simply be an apology, without any need to temper it with justifications. Specifically, if not towards the Dust community as a whole, to those who spent lots of money to fly to Iceland just for Dust only to be disappointed (and that is an understatement). You asked two questions. The link answers the first. There is no response (yet) to the second. Kind of like how my question got quoted and not answered. At least they got one of yours.
True that.
Too bad it wasn't the most important one I guess.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2718
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:18:00 -
[185] - Quote
Timothy Reaper wrote:DUST Fiend & xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Blah, blah, blah... Please don't start that old argument here. We're finally getting some answers from CCP.
Answer?! lol!
"Maybe", "we'll do our best to.." , "it may be possible that...". Yeh, answers.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2009
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:19:00 -
[186] - Quote
Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:mollerz wrote:
Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base.
I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future. @ CCP Saberwing, CCP Logibro, and CCP Rouge... Would you be willing to come on our podcast - BIOMASSED next week to basically get a do-over on how things were introduced to us? The podcast is ran by Pokey Dravon, Soraya Xel, and myself...feel free to check our post history and talk to Hans, Nova, and Kain about us. Bottom line - the mishandled roll-out covered up what potentially could have been great news for the community and seeded doubt, confusion, and generated some serious negativity. Trust is a finite resource in the service industry and you have a lot of customers feeling burned right now. Will you guys come on the show and engage with us to help clear the air?
When you have a playerbase which has been this die hard and this loyal, their reaction to a series of events such as this are to be expected. Sometimes chaos and lack of preparation can cause the release of information to go in a directer that was never intended. We want to provide you with a platform to get on the airwaves and have some meaningful conversation with your playerbase so that we can find out exactly where the state of the game lands right now.
If anything the amount of outcry should show you how much the players love and believed in this game, it is important that you give them some proper answers and we want to help you do that.
Like my ideas?
Pokey Dravon for CPM1
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Matobar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
290
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:19:00 -
[187] - Quote
Why was CCP disingenuous with its fanbase, continuously insisting they were "laser focused" on the PS3 despite having developed for the PC since October?
Why did you advertise DUST 514 events on your Fanfest 2014 devblogs and schedules and instead discuss a completely separate game, one you continuously stress has not yet been approved for production?
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14010
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:19:00 -
[188] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market? Oh, wait,right now Dust is garbage. The player base is still here because they invested their time and money in CCP's dreams. It's like taking our money and develop the game on a different platform, that's it. Imagine, how would Eve players feel if they were told that a version of Eve with awesome cool stuffs was going to be developed on, let's say, PS 5 and left you with a "but you can still play Eve on PC, no worries!". Jita wouldn't simply burn, it would implode. So, answering directly to your question, no. Dust as is would never be a good competitor in fps on consoles. But that's why they should develop Legion on ps4! This was the plan, just stick with it.
We're just going around in circles.
You feel that somehow moving from PS3 to PS4 will be easier.
I feel that moving to PC then to PS4 will be easier (as does CCP)
Going to PC, then to PS4, is going to yield you higher quality, faster results, then attempting to go from PS3, to PS4
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Timothy Reaper
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
895
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:21:00 -
[189] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Timothy Reaper wrote:DUST Fiend & xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Blah, blah, blah... Please don't start that old argument here. We're finally getting some answers from CCP. Answer?! lol! "Maybe", "we'll do our best to.." , "it may be possible that...". Yeh, answers.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1703
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:24:00 -
[190] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:
That's a yes. I mean, all these events, all these Aurum sales, pretty shady ****. If you think its not, well, then all respect is gone Saber (there isn't really any left, but, in a figurative way).
It's not really. They're 2 separate things...asking where we fund the development of Legion is different than asking if there's a relationship between the promotions and the reveal of Legion. While I can't answer your first question, I can assure you that there is no correlation between sales promotions and revealing Legion - as I said in my previous post, we're going to do our best to transfer everything across.
do you guys understand that the appeal of dust was that there was never going to be a 'dust 2'. that's the reason we started playing. there's no 'eve:online 2'.
if you announced eve online 2 at fanfest, what do you think the reaction would be?
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
433
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:25:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:I came up with a question I feel is better.
What sort of developments are being worked on for Dust? I realize that you are now "laser focused" on Legion, but can us Dusters expect anything new, other than hotfixes and changes to current features?
If they had anything to show it would have been.
There would have been a separate discussion at FanFest for Legion or Legion would have only been unveiled at the end of the Dust Talk as the bombshell takeaway, a cherry on top so to speak.
The mere fact that they still cant put out a quick post with a few features that are finalized or set to come in the next few months says it all.
They misread their audience. This isnt EVE, many dont have or want PC's so its not "oh wow, cool, I'll download that when it comes out"
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14010
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:26:00 -
[192] - Quote
low genius wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:
That's a yes. I mean, all these events, all these Aurum sales, pretty shady ****. If you think its not, well, then all respect is gone Saber (there isn't really any left, but, in a figurative way).
It's not really. They're 2 separate things...asking where we fund the development of Legion is different than asking if there's a relationship between the promotions and the reveal of Legion. While I can't answer your first question, I can assure you that there is no correlation between sales promotions and revealing Legion - as I said in my previous post, we're going to do our best to transfer everything across. do you guys understand that the appeal of dust was that there was never going to be a 'dust 2'. that's the reason we started playing. there's no 'eve:online 2'. if you announced eve online 2 at fanfest, what do you think the reaction would be?
So you wanted it to stay on PS3 for forever? How good would that have gone? Making it for the PC and THEN porting to the PS4 is how you get the game to where it should have been, as quickly as possible. Trying to port this game to PS4 would just result in a low quality next gen game that never gets much attention because it cannot stack up to the competition.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1703
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:27:00 -
[193] - Quote
that's an apology? saying that it's console gamers who are mad? i'm not a console gamer. i'm a gamer.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2718
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:27:00 -
[194] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:
We're just going around in circles.
You feel that somehow moving from PS3 to PS4 will be easier.
I feel that moving to PC then to PS4 will be easier (as does CCP)
Going to PC, then to PS4, is going to yield you higher quality, faster results, then attempting to go from PS3, to PS4
Just suppose for a second it could be easier (even if I think it's pretty much the same amount of work). There's a huge difference between what's the easy thing to do and what's the right thing to do.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
614
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:27:00 -
[195] - Quote
Mortedeamor wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:SirManBoy wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. I resemble that remark... Did you perhaps mean resent? a newb in english as well i see.
No, he meant resemble. I really love it when someone makes fun of someone else when they are the ones making the mistake.
Because, that's why.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1703
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:28:00 -
[196] - Quote
S Park Finner wrote:Development for DUST 514 on PS3 has fairly long lead times. If DUST 514 is still supported then there is something in the pipeline now.
We don't have to have a release date -- but it would go a long way to building a bit of credibility if you could say what is under development. If there is nothing under development then we could put that to rest and just get on with enjoying what we have if we can.
and i quote: "give us a few weeks to think about it"
ccp prey-torian
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1706
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:29:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:
Whaaa? Just convert all skills to SP, and then move them over.
That would be a good way to do it, as long as SP is maintained at a 1:1 ratio (or some equivalent, I'm not a game designer :) Whatever happens, we will do what we can to make that transition transparent and fair.
transparency isn't something we've come to expect.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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Matobar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
291
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:30:00 -
[198] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:
That's a yes. I mean, all these events, all these Aurum sales, pretty shady ****. If you think its not, well, then all respect is gone Saber (there isn't really any left, but, in a figurative way).
It's not really. They're 2 separate things...asking where we fund the development of Legion is different than asking if there's a relationship between the promotions and the reveal of Legion. While I can't answer your first question, I can assure you that there is no correlation between sales promotions and revealing Legion - as I said in my previous post, we're going to do our best to transfer everything across. do you guys understand that the appeal of dust was that there was never going to be a 'dust 2'. that's the reason we started playing. there's no 'eve:online 2'. if you announced eve online 2 at fanfest, what do you think the reaction would be? So you wanted it to stay on PS3 for forever? How good would that have gone? Making it for the PC and THEN porting to the PS4 is how you get the game to where it should have been, as quickly as possible. Trying to port this game to PS4 would just result in a low quality next gen game that never gets much attention because it cannot stack up to the competition.
The issue is mostly that we weren't included soon enough in the development of Project Legion. I, personally, am all well and good with it being on PC, and being an "improvement" over DUST. But we were outright lied to by CCP for months, being told there was nothing in the work for other platforms, and then we were blindsided by this at Fanfest in the worst way possible.
There's a difference between wanting to improve your product, and wanting to improve your product while middle-fingering your fanbase.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1706
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:31:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:whats our chance's of a trade window. (market even)
any new maps mode's gun's?
basicly are we going to get any new content or is that it done.
thank you for your time reading this and hopefully replying.
it was a tech demo. they've got no information for you.
but look at the graphics! good graphics make good games!
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14010
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:31:00 -
[200] - Quote
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
We're just going around in circles.
You feel that somehow moving from PS3 to PS4 will be easier.
I feel that moving to PC then to PS4 will be easier (as does CCP)
Going to PC, then to PS4, is going to yield you higher quality, faster results, then attempting to go from PS3, to PS4
Just suppose for a second it could be easier (even if I think it's pretty much the same amount of work). There's a huge difference between what's the easy thing to do and what's the right thing to do. And I'm not talking about porting Dust, I'm talking about Project : Legion, which admittedly is a reworked Dust, not updated.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, because I was ready to walk away from DUST for good if fanfest didn't blow me away.
Fanfest blew me away, by admitting that DUST was a failure, it did not, and could not live up to the dream, and that they would rather develop on their own turf to bring us the game I was once so in love with.
I'm done with this for now, enjoy your evening, morning, whatever it is.
LONG LIVE LEGION, GREEN LIGHT GO GO GO
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1706
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:35:00 -
[201] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market?
you heard them already saying the same things about development of legion right? they're going to build the game after launch the 'way the players want it'. it's the same old song and dance.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5319
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:37:00 -
[202] - Quote
low genius wrote:boba's fetta wrote:whats our chance's of a trade window. (market even)
any new maps mode's gun's?
basicly are we going to get any new content or is that it done.
thank you for your time reading this and hopefully replying. it was a tech demo. they've got no information for you. but look at the graphics! good graphics make good games!
That's why we lost our FOV coming into Uprising 1.0
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SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:42:00 -
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Ya there it is, modus operandi for all the other gaming companies who have no respect for their own customers. Saw this coming.
Just not soon enough I guess. |
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
7041
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:45:00 -
[204] - Quote
Guys, I must bow out as I have to be awake for tomorrow. I'll be back again in about 10 hours, give or take a few.
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
(a¦á_a¦á)
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1708
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:48:00 -
[205] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:
That's a yes. I mean, all these events, all these Aurum sales, pretty shady ****. If you think its not, well, then all respect is gone Saber (there isn't really any left, but, in a figurative way).
It's not really. They're 2 separate things...asking where we fund the development of Legion is different than asking if there's a relationship between the promotions and the reveal of Legion. While I can't answer your first question, I can assure you that there is no correlation between sales promotions and revealing Legion - as I said in my previous post, we're going to do our best to transfer everything across. do you guys understand that the appeal of dust was that there was never going to be a 'dust 2'. that's the reason we started playing. there's no 'eve:online 2'. if you announced eve online 2 at fanfest, what do you think the reaction would be? So you wanted it to stay on PS3 for forever? How good would that have gone? Making it for the PC and THEN porting to the PS4 is how you get the game to where it should have been, as quickly as possible. Trying to port this game to PS4 would just result in a low quality next gen game that never gets much attention because it cannot stack up to the competition.
no. i wanted them to develop the ip on whatever the next platform they chose, and have the game ready to be an extension of dust:514 as they've always said they would do.
providing the game as a service. remember that one?
using the unreal engine as this engine will make it easier to move onto the next platform. remember that one?
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
3090
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:57:00 -
[206] - Quote
When you wake up, any comment on transferring characters if legion does well on PC and later goes to what would conceivably be PS5 by then? Meaning, what about people who skipped the PC version but would play if it came back to consoles?
Along the same lines, if we migrated to PC could we then transfer to the console?
o7
I'm out. See you on the other side.
psn: bobswerski
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
3046
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:09:00 -
[207] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
and what about the console gamers? Guess we just the high finger
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Mr Sanchez Asst
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:11:00 -
[208] - Quote
Matobar wrote:Why was CCP disingenuous with its fanbase, continuously insisting they were "laser focused" on the PS3 despite having developed for the PC since October?
Why did you advertise DUST 514 events on your Fanfest 2014 devblogs and schedules and instead discuss a completely separate game, one you continuously stress has not yet been approved for production?
So, I would really like to thank CCP for stopping by ready to answer a long nights worth of questions. Wait, wasn't that what they said they were doing in this thread?
Sorry, I must admit that the few responses you offered did nothing to answer this primary question.
In fact as so many have pointed out clearly to CCP in the past 48 hrs: this is the only question that matters to many who have decided the only option we have ( since feedback and communication has been taken off the table by CCP) is to speak with out feet and wallets. Many, myself included, nolonger consider ourselves CCP customers.
Why is the question. Not whether - this is not a debate about whether you broke our trust and confidence with you policies - but why.
And if you will not reply, as clearly your actions seem to indicate, then I guess we are done.
CCP has made this crystal clear to those willing to listen: Players are customers, that is all. We are nothing more than that which stands between our funds and thier coffers. Loyalty has no value. Commitment is not worth the paper it's printed on. And we are welcome to shut up and move along.
Thanks for that CCP. I choose to walk away from this seven year business relationship, as you will have it,of my own volition.
Thank you dust and eve community - truly it is the interactions I have always shared Witt e players that has made my time in new Eden dear to me. I hope to meet and compete against you all, elsewhere. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
3047
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:19:00 -
[209] - Quote
I only have one more question after reading some of the dev's posts here......
will there be new content on dust 514 while they wait on Legion? Or, will there just be patches to bugs and hotfixes? If a dev had already answered the question directly can someone just link the post to me?
Otherwise, I'd appreciate it if a dev can just confirm if we should still look forward to updates.
Removed all hope with this post
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5329
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:30:00 -
[210] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I only have one more question after reading some of the dev's posts here......
will there be new content on dust 514 while they wait on Legion? Or, will there just be patches to bugs and hotfixes? If a dev had already answered the question directly can someone just link the post to me?
Otherwise, I'd appreciate it if a dev can just confirm if we should still look forward to updates.
The closest we've had to an answer to that was Rouge stating in PR-speak that they'll be "supporting" DUST to some degree, but implying very heavily that the extent of that support will be limited to bug fixes, balance tweaks and cleaning up of Planetary Conquest. New content hasn't been definitively ruled out, but there's a big "NOGäó" hiding between the lines.
Logibro has further expanded on that answer with a decent explanation for why they're being so vague about the future of DUST at this point, but it basically boils down to "we're seeing what happens with Legion first".
For any more info than that, I guess you'll just have to wait and see like the rest of us. |
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:32:00 -
[211] - Quote
Can you give us some estimates for the PC requirements to play Legion. I mean legion being in PC is just pissing me off. As a console player I have to pay even more for a PC. Now I have to buy a PC that costs roughly $800-1000 compared to a ps4 that costs only $400.
Also, what happened to racial vehicles and other stuff you guys talked about during FF 2013. Will this come to dust or legion?
Furthermore, Can you guys give some hope for the ps4. I mean dust is a console game and it's meant to be that way. You'll save so many players from leaving if you give the ps4 a chance.
ALSO, What happens to player who actually spent a substantial amount of money on dust 514 ( aka test game for legion) and considering to not play legion. What happens to them. Please answer my questions CCP.
So sad there is no future for Dust 514 ( the only game I appreciate playing). Now my corp and the community is at crisis. 
Dust 514 is DEAD
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Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
961
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:33:00 -
[212] - Quote
Poultryge1st wrote:Thanks for answering our questions logibro and and saberwing.
what he said
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
874
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:54:00 -
[213] - Quote
Anybody who buys AUR now is a fool.
Munch
Minmatar Patriot (Level 7)
Dedicated Sniper
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8322
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:58:00 -
[214] - Quote
Poonmunch wrote:Anybody who buys AUR now is a fool.
Munch
You're forgetting that only about 10% of the players ever visit the forums at all. The rest don't care.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
629
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:03:00 -
[215] - Quote
CCP Logibro, Saberwing,
Considering I have put hundreds of dollars into this game in the span of approximately 6 months, I would love to know whose idea it was to purposefully make that last Aurum sale push despite the fact that Dust was basically starting to be closed down.
I don't hold Saberwing or you accountable for that as it appears both of you just interface primarily with us here in the forums, just so you know, but I am not enamored with with CCP's recent business practices at all and I find them rather deceptive in nature which to me is unacceptable. There is a difference between a false pretense versus an unknown situation or development.
I also would like a concrete statement from CCP to where my money essentially went/will be going. By this I mean that for the character transfers to Legion, I want to know what that exact SP "exchange rate" is going to be and why. Right now my lack of trust for CCP runs high, so I want to know exactly what all that booster money bought me. If you guys end up taking about 1/10th 1/4th, or whatever a percentage of my current SP from this game, I would expect some sort of Aurum refund to accompany that as well. The reason for that is that now in my eyes, the full SP from the boosters that I have paid for would no longer be viable if the SP is only a percentage of what it is now. I would only be receiving a certain percentage of the SP that I technically paid for through active and especially passive boosters.
Thank you
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8322
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:04:00 -
[216] - Quote
BlazeXYZ wrote: Can you give us some estimates for the PC requirements to play Legion. I mean legion being in PC is just pissing me off. As a console player I have to pay even more for a PC. Now I have to buy a PC that costs roughly $800-1000 compared to a ps4 that costs only $400. Also, what happened to racial vehicles and other stuff you guys talked about during FF 2013. Will this come to dust or legion? Furthermore, Can you guys give some hope for the ps4. I mean dust is a console game and it's meant to be that way. You'll save so many players from leaving if you give the ps4 a chance.
ALSO, What happens to player who actually spent a substantial amount of money on dust 514 ( aka test game for legion) and considering to not play legion. What happens to them. Please answer my questions CCP. So sad there is no future for Dust 514 ( the only game I appreciate playing). Now my corp and the community is at crisis.
Unfortunately, considering that Legion is only a project at a moment that hasn't even received a green light right now, not even CCP knows what the specs will be once Alpha/Closed-Beta testing arrives. I would err on the side of caution and expect mid-range system requirements at the very least.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14015
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:09:00 -
[217] - Quote
Poonmunch wrote:Anybody who buys AUR now is a fool.
Munch
Unless they plan to carry over to Legion, that is.
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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
146
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:14:00 -
[218] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
Tell me your secrets, forums
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8322
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:15:00 -
[219] - Quote
@CCP LogiBro
@CCP Saberwing
I commend you guys for having the balls to come down here and face us. I don't think there is ever going to be enough fire-resistant suits or that SPF 9000+ will be enough to protect you from the flames we are throwing at you here.
Honestly I'm not bummed out over the fact that Dust will be moving to the PC. It's just the manner in which CCP Rouge presented Legion that really put me off. If he had done a better job at presenting Legion, none of us here would be pissed at CCP. Or at least far less angry than we are now. But the damage is now done and damage control will not help.
If I can make a personal request to you, go to Hilmar personally for us and tell him that the Dust players (what's left at least) want CCP to green light Legion ASAHP (as soon as humanly possible). Hell, if he so much as wakes up from his bed the next morning he should green light it right then and there. The cat is pretty much out of the bag and the genie is already out of the bottle at this point. Might as well go all the way.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5336
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:34:00 -
[220] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Anybody who buys AUR now is a fool.
Munch Unless they plan to carry over to Legion, that is.
Anyone who buys Aurum AND spends it in DUST is a fool, EVEN if they plan to make move to Legion. |
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Gringo Nos
Nameless Air Cavalry
Lokun Listamenn
51
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:40:00 -
[221] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
That doesn't answer the question put to you Saber.
Why did you ramp up AUR sales knowing there was an announcement that Dust was being canned? More a question of morals rather than the obvious financial reasons. An opportunity to win some trust back here Saber. If you can give a good answer. If the answer is "we wanted more money" then perhaps just keep quiet or carry on dodging the question.
People's trust in CCP has taken a drastic nosedive as a result of the way this news was delivered and the way you've handled the responses here. You've lost the possibility of a large player base wanting to come with you to a new platform because, quite frankly, we don't trust you to get the job done or keep us in the loop.
I understand (hopefully most do) that there are limits to working on the PS3 but you can't make a good game without accepting some limits and working within them. You hold on to the other ideas for when the next gen consoles give you opportunity to pursue them. You don't split your team to work on a new project and still claim to be dedicated to progressing the original one. The consequences were felt in buggy fixes and patches ever since. If you were truly committed to developing an exciting cross-platform experience you could have done so much more but only by getting the team to work on it not splitting them.
I honestly don't think you get why people are so p***ed at you guys. Start giving some honest answers and explanations if you really do want to keep some of your current player base. I suspect they don't matter much to you as I get the impression you think a new platform will mean a totally fresh start with this game and a new player base. Someone needs to go to business school I think. |
Gringo Nos
Nameless Air Cavalry
Lokun Listamenn
51
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:50:00 -
[222] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again) I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
Not the answer we wanted but honest. Thank you. |
Gringo Nos
Nameless Air Cavalry
Lokun Listamenn
54
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:56:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote:
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials.
What about its morals? Does it disclose them? |
Ducttape Tinker
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
156
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:29:00 -
[224] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote:
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials.
If you dont have that balls to tell ps3 boyos something like:"Sorry lads we screw it..", just tell them you are sorry, this is mz last post .
Your Saber is maybe better, i mean it like how you let that shitstorm felt on your face, what honestly little impresed me, but overall CCP still betrayed our community and that WILL NEVER FORGIVE AND FORGET.
Just in some small words in the end, PLEASE GIVE BOYOS FROM PS3 CHANCE TO TRANSFER THEIR PERSONAS, show them respect.
This was my last world here, in house of EvE, i dont want to come back.
But for all you boyos, what i battled on fields of dust before, for all of you i'll pray.
For everything what you want and need, there is nothing more important than you DUST514 COMMUNITY THAT WAS AND THAT WILL BE, GODSPEED TO YOU ALL..and to you CCP FIX WHAT YOU F/C/UK UP, COMMUNITY IS THE CORE!!
SEE YOU ALL SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE
Markdown
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1439
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:43:00 -
[225] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Anybody who buys AUR now is a fool.
Munch Unless they plan to carry over to Legion, that is.
Except CCP has already stated that the exchange rate will not necessarily be 1:1, and any AUR you use up in Dust right now on consumables is a waste because Dust is soon to be extinct.
I'm sure any reserve AUR you have will be exchanged 1:1, and items bought with AUR would be refunded in their AUR purchase price, but since SP exchange rate is up in the air, buying boosters (one of the main things people purchase AUR for) is pointless since we don't know if the SP we get from the booster will be worth the cost.
One more thing, a friend of mine in Dust (Jax Thrife) bought over 30 merc packs in closed beta and both the Veteran and Elite packs. Then spent all of his AUR on booters and activated every booster he had. When Dust dies, how will he be refunded for his remaining booster time?
We are the 514, and we will not forget
RIP Dust
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Vargralor
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:06:00 -
[226] - Quote
Baal Omniscient wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Anybody who buys AUR now is a fool.
Munch Unless they plan to carry over to Legion, that is. Except CCP has already stated that the exchange rate will not necessarily be 1:1, and any AUR you use up in Dust right now on consumables is a waste because Dust is soon to be extinct. I'm sure any reserve AUR you have will be exchanged 1:1, and items bought with AUR would be refunded in their AUR purchase price, but since SP exchange rate is up in the air, buying boosters (one of the main things people purchase AUR for) is pointless since we don't know if the SP we get from the booster will be worth the cost. One more thing, a friend of mine in Dust (Jax Thrife) bought over 30 merc packs in closed beta and both the Veteran and Elite packs. Then spent all of his AUR on booters and activated every booster he had. When Dust dies, how will he be refunded for his remaining booster time?
Why are you buying anything in F2P game at all? Do you think it is an investment for some time down the track when the game will be better? Do you enjoy the game now? Do the Aurum item/boosters you buy make the game more fun for you in the short term?
If you enjoy the game, play it. Plenty of other people still are and CCP has said it plans to keep it going in the near future. Legion will be a a minimum a couple of years away from a release. Any company that guarantees their game will still be around more than a couple of years in advance are lying to you. There are no guarantees in this industry. If you think Aurum items and the extra SP from boosters will be fun for the next year or so then buy them.
There are plenty of posts around the forums that Dust is dead. Why? They have not announced it is shutting down. They have announced that the features that people have been daydreaming about for the last year or so will not be added. So what? If you do not enjoy this game and only play it because of some promised future feature that is no longer coming then you're an idiot. Play the game if you enjoy it and leave if you do not. There is still over 4000 players at peak each day on the server having fun. At most there are a couple of hundred people posting about how Dust is ending and how horrible it is that CCP is not giving them a whole host of features that would never work in the current game anyway. All the angry posting and whining going on here is as usual a vocal minority of at most 5% of the player base.
Anyone with half a brain can understand why most of the features mentioned for Legion will never work in Dust without virtually restarting it. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
276
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[227] - Quote
I don't even know
http://i.imgur.com/uE0UA.gif
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Lightning xVx
R 0 N 1 N
723
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:22:00 -
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Now, I'm going to ask you guys this in a very respectful manner, even though I am VERY disappointed by your business practices. You may win some but NOT ALL, of us back.
1.) EVE: Legion is (essentially) the successor of DUST 514 where you had around 3-4 years testing/ working on it, why is this now only being allowed to the infrastructure of PC, instead of PC/PS4 (cross play)?
2.) Why even have it on PS3 in the first place, if majority of your playerbase stem from PC?
3.) Why even put EVE: Valkyrie on PS4 if it's (again) aimed towards your PC crowd?
4.) Why did you unveil EVE: Legion at FANFEST when you knew fully well this would have this big of an impact?
5.) What are these "New Roles" categorized into? Will it be like how Battlefield is? Assault=Medium Suits, Recon= Scout Suits lock to specific ONLY weapons/gear. Or how we have it now?
6.) How will modules translate into EVE: Legion?
7.) Now that framerate/ optimization run at a smooth 60fps....Can we run.....Faster? >_>
8.) Will Stun-Locking (Impulse effect) make a return? If so, get rid of it. (Please) |
DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14026
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:25:00 -
[229] - Quote
Baal Omniscient wrote:One more thing, a friend of mine in Dust (Jax Thrife) bought over 30 merc packs in closed beta and both the Veteran and Elite packs. Then spent all of his AUR on booters and activated every booster he had. When Dust dies, how will he be refunded for his remaining booster time?
Good god why would someone do that?
Anyways.
I would like to think they would take all unconsumed AUR assets, revert them to AUR, then transfer the AUR to your Legion character. Since those boosters are in the queue, they haven't been consumed, and thus should be subject to a refund.
Obviously that's just speculation, but seems like the most logical outcome.
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John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:29:00 -
[230] - Quote
Ducttape Tinker wrote: **snip**
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
Of course they did, because Legion is going to be everything DUST is not and never can be due to hardware obsolescence, architecture limitations, and early bad decisions in game design.
Actually, they used the money from my years of EVE subscriptions to fund development of DUST, and the money that DUST put back in to the pot was a drop in the bucket compared to what was spent on making it. . .
I doubt CCP separates the money in the corporate accounts like that, any more than they separate money made from selling the occasional White Wolf product. Ask the WoD fans about disappointment. I know I don't separate the dollars of my wife's direct deposit from "my" dollars in the checking account. . .
So if "your" DUST ideas went into making Legion (which I am truly truly hoping fulfills the idea & vision CCP first presented as to what DUST was supposed to be) plus my half decade plus of subscription money that paid for DUST bear fruit, I will consider Legion payback for bankrolling "your" game.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
1369
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:36:00 -
[231] - Quote
Ducttape Tinker wrote:They planed it, read this boyo.
Interesting.
Especially interesting is this chunk from the article:
Quote:
We did all of these things to try and, we tried to do too much honestly in terms of connecting it into the universe and thereGÇÖs this MMO piece and all the rest of it, blah blah blah, as opposed to, 'I have a blast second to second. I love this game second to second and I love it minute to minute, hour to hour, and so on and so forth.'"
One interpretation of that can mean,
"yeah, turns out integrating stuff is hard. So, we're just going to do a straight-up FPS, ya know?"
Suggestion to folks out there who might have CCP stock, if such a thing exists:
Sell now.
It would appear the company has lost all "vision".
Usually that means the company in question will become a market follower, rather than a leader, and thus either get bought out, or simply go out of business, in a few years.
The smaller the company, the faster that usually happens.
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Timothy Reaper
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
897
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:41:00 -
[232] - Quote
Vargralor wrote:Why are you buying anything in F2P game at all? Do you think it is an investment for some time down the track when the game will be better? Do you enjoy the game now? Do the Aurum item/boosters you buy make the game more fun for you in the short term?
If you enjoy the game, play it. Plenty of other people still are and CCP has said it plans to keep it going in the near future. Legion will be a a minimum a couple of years away from a release. Any company that guarantees their game will still be around more than a couple of years in advance are lying to you. There are no guarantees in this industry. If you think Aurum items and the extra SP from boosters will be fun for the next year or so then buy them.
There are plenty of posts around the forums that Dust is dead. Why? They have not announced it is shutting down. They have announced that the features that people have been daydreaming about for the last year or so will not be added. So what? If you do not enjoy this game and only play it because of some promised future feature that is no longer coming then you're an idiot. Play the game if you enjoy it and leave if you do not. There is still over 4000 players at peak each day on the server having fun. At most there are a couple of hundred people posting about how Dust is ending and how horrible it is that CCP is not giving them a whole host of features that would never work in the current game anyway. All the angry posting and whining going on here is as usual a vocal minority of at most 5% of the player base.
Anyone with half a brain can understand why most of the features mentioned for Legion will never work in Dust without virtually restarting it.
The thing is CCP did make that promise, and those features people were 'daydreaming' about were things CCP again promised were coming to the game.
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68 olk
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:12:00 -
[233] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote:
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials.
your so called financials... came out of our pockets .. only because we were told it was being invested into THIS GAME
U GUYS ARE REAL GET OVERS.... BUT YOURE COOKED ! AS IN .. RING THE BELL .. YOURE DONE!* |
SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
231
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:14:00 -
[234] - Quote
I really only have one question:
WHY DID YOU NAME IT DUST KEY NOTES IF IT WAS ******* ABOUT LEGION? COULD YOU SAY, "**** YOU DIE" MORE?
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Kosakai
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
59
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:15:00 -
[235] - Quote
CCP can you donate my new PC for playing this ***** ??!!! 
DUST keynotes..... everyone waiting for some new maps, modes weapons and etc.... and you give us piece of s*** legion....
you f*** with us.......
PROUD MINMATAR <3 -- IN RUST IS TRUST
FORGE GUN LOVER -- TANK HUNTER
SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED .......
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meri jin
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
958
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:16:00 -
[236] - Quote
68 olk wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote:
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials. your so called financials... came out of our pockets .. only because we were told it was being invested into THIS GAME U GUYS ARE REAL GET OVERS.... BUT YOURE COOKED ! AS IN .. RING THE BELL .. YOURE DONE!*
Don't forget the 10 years plan and the laser focused on PS3. This statements give a lot of people a reason to invest heavy in to this game.
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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68 olk
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:18:00 -
[237] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Guys, I must bow out as I have to be awake for tomorrow. I'll be back again in about 10 hours, give or take a few.
RUN FA*GGOT .. RUN!
NO ONE IS CCP IS MAN ENOUGH TO MAN UP TO THEIR DISGRACEFUL MESS UP
BUNCH OF FOREIGN BI*TCH @SS LAMES!
AS IF THEY DONT GET ENOUGH MONEY OFF EVE.. THEY WANT TO MOVE WHAT WE GAVE THE FEED BACK FOR THEM TO MAKE ... TO PC... BUNCH OF PRI*CKS
ALL THOSE WHO WENT TO FANFEST .. N DIDNT SLAP THE SH*IT OUT OF THESE DEVS... YOU LOVE GENITALS
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Phoenix 85
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:20:00 -
[238] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:
Whaaa? Just convert all skills to SP, and then move them over.
That would be a good way to do it, as long as SP is maintained at a 1:1 ratio (or some equivalent, I'm not a game designer :) Whatever happens, we will do what we can to make that transition transparent and fair.
I dont understand why that wouldnt be the default way of doing it? Just respec everything again.
Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
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Vargralor
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:21:00 -
[239] - Quote
Timothy Reaper wrote:Vargralor wrote:Why are you buying anything in F2P game at all? Do you think it is an investment for some time down the track when the game will be better? Do you enjoy the game now? Do the Aurum item/boosters you buy make the game more fun for you in the short term?
If you enjoy the game, play it. Plenty of other people still are and CCP has said it plans to keep it going in the near future. Legion will be a a minimum a couple of years away from a release. Any company that guarantees their game will still be around more than a couple of years in advance are lying to you. There are no guarantees in this industry. If you think Aurum items and the extra SP from boosters will be fun for the next year or so then buy them.
There are plenty of posts around the forums that Dust is dead. Why? They have not announced it is shutting down. They have announced that the features that people have been daydreaming about for the last year or so will not be added. So what? If you do not enjoy this game and only play it because of some promised future feature that is no longer coming then you're an idiot. Play the game if you enjoy it and leave if you do not. There is still over 4000 players at peak each day on the server having fun. At most there are a couple of hundred people posting about how Dust is ending and how horrible it is that CCP is not giving them a whole host of features that would never work in the current game anyway. All the angry posting and whining going on here is as usual a vocal minority of at most 5% of the player base.
Anyone with half a brain can understand why most of the features mentioned for Legion will never work in Dust without virtually restarting it. The thing is CCP did make that promise, and those features people were 'daydreaming' about were things CCP again promised were coming to the game.
Very true. But when they looked in detail at those things they saw that it would require a fundamental rewrite of the underlying structure and motivations of the game. People throw around terms like Player Market and Player Driven Economy without understanding how they are fundamentally different. A Player Market is little more that a frontend to allow players to trade items they already have and at least one Dev post since Fanfest has mentioned that they still plan to deliver this for Dust. A Player Driven Economy is not something you can simply patch into what is essentially a Lobby Shooter. You need to have an underlying mechanism for harvesting and/or manufacturing along with sufficient motivation to do so. Engaging in PVE as a valid and rewarding alternative to PVP needs again a sufficient reason to do so alogn with balanced risks and rewards.
Whilst you could tack these things onto the current gamemodes of Dust it could never be properly integrated with the sandbox style economy of EVE which was the overall goal. The Dust economy needed the underlying sandbox structure along the ability for PVP focused individuals to come along and ruin your day. Otherwise it would create an imbalance in the EVE economy due to the risk/reward imbalance which must be viewed on a significant scale to understand the effects across such a large game structure. Turning a lobby shooter like Dust into a sandbox style interaction environment means essentially starting again. Given that, CCP made the right call and said "OK. Instead of continuing bandaid fixes that we know won't work, let's start again from the ground up.".
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meri jin
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
958
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:21:00 -
[240] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Guys, I must bow out as I have to be awake for tomorrow. I'll be back again in about 10 hours, give or take a few.
If you are coming back to this, can you or one of your co-workers explain a little more about EVE united?
Will we be able to fuse our mercs in to our EVE Online pilots? Are we going to the AUR on a monthly basis if we have a subscription active in eve? Valkyrie is coming to PS4 as well, how are accounts going to work together?
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:24:00 -
[241] - Quote
Lightning xVx wrote:Now, I'm going to ask you guys this in a very respectful manner, even though I am VERY disappointed by your business practices. You may win some but NOT ALL, of us back.
2.) Why even have it on PS3 in the first place, if majority of your playerbase stem from PC?
3.) Why even put EVE: Valkyrie on PS4 if it's (again) aimed towards your PC crowd?
4.) Why did you unveil EVE: Legion at FANFEST when you knew fully well this would have this big of an impact?
Throwing a guess out on some points.
2) CCP decided that they wanted a console game early on for whatever reason. I think it stems for the old "EVE Everywhere" idea that they had. EVE was going to be on consoles, phones, PC's, tablets. . .DUStT was announced circa 2009, and that was right about the time they went batshit crazy, lost touch with reality, which culminated in the Incarna Debacle of 2011. This has since changed and CCP has decided to focus on thier own IP and try to be everywhere "In EVE" instead of ahving EVE everywhere, if you get my drift. Pulling this from some of Hilmar's remarks and past CCP history
3) CCP is a very bet hedging company. They are not going to bet on VR solely on the Facebook Occulus. Sony has the Morpheus thing going and they want to have as much presence in VR as possible, especially since Valkyrie seems to be the only purely VR app with any traction at this time. It could be to VR what Super Mario was to the NES.
Total guess work below, but some of it might be even somewhat true. . .
4) Rouge took over about six months ago and probably got a handle on things a couple months back. The Shanghai office and DUST did not have an executive producer from July-ish to October-ish, after CCP Jian got canned/quit/asked to quit. Figure on three months of lost productivity with no one at the helm.
So, CCP Rouge got hired to unf__k Shanghai. Basically, after figuring out what the status was on the game (the whole "boots on ground" thing) he seems to ahve come the conclusion that, after inheriting the mess he was given, the only way to deliver what Hilmar et al want is to take all the good stuff from DUST but leave all the bad crap behind.
A big part of that is the exclusivity to a now badly aging console, core elements of game design that are proving to be bad decisions, and a f__ked development process that does not now suit CCP's PC-centric agile development methods. (The players had to drag CCP into agile development and they are only now, after 10 years moving to push content faster)
CCP dragged it's feet, and were probably wrapped up in sh_t canning World of Darkness as well. CCP has always had a habit of making decisions slowly. They like to hedge their bets. Their dithering around the last couple months is what caused this debacle. Go look up how long it took to get the whole "SOMERblink/EVE Vegas issue fixed, or the Incarna Debacle, or the T20 scandal. . . CCP has a bad habit of making hard decisions slowly.
The reality of the situation is that Rouge likely feels there is no where to go on PS3 that will deliver what the true idea of what DUST was supposed to be. eE was hired to do the job of fixing DUST, and this is the conclusion he seems to have come to. I am guessing they said, "OK, show us how you would do it" and he brought out Legion.
CCP Rouge started off working for the French Ministry of Finance. Just a sa guess, he is more comfortable developing things for computers than consoles. He's also repeatedly used the description of (to paraphrase) "having to choose to change the engine on the plane in flight or grounding the flight and fixing the engine." Luckily for him he's working for a PC based game company. His past gaming experience has been heavily PC based as well as a heavy amount of FTP games.
Which would be worse? Taking DUST down to the bones completely to keep it on an aging console that is daily growing more and more dubious in it's utility, or putting a "new" game on a platform that, runs on their personally owned server cluster and does not have to touch Sony's network, can never be obsolete, and that the developer has a decade of experience working on?
From a business stand point, and assuming you want a game that will really last 10 years, I am betting on the latter rather than the former. I will admit, I thought back in Beta that the PS3 had more life left in it, but I think now with this game we have now (DUST) we are seeing the network limitations of the PS3 network and it's limited ability to interface with TQ. |
DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14028
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:26:00 -
[242] - Quote
Phoenix 85 wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:
Whaaa? Just convert all skills to SP, and then move them over.
That would be a good way to do it, as long as SP is maintained at a 1:1 ratio (or some equivalent, I'm not a game designer :) Whatever happens, we will do what we can to make that transition transparent and fair. I dont understand why that wouldnt be the default way of doing it? Just respec everything again.
THANK YOU FOR REVIVING THE SIG!
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John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:34:00 -
[243] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:
We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
Hah, didn't even see this post when I posted my above wall of text. . . am I close on any of my other guessings Logibro? |
meri jin
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
958
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:44:00 -
[244] - Quote
@John Surratt
I like the wall of text you put together. I honestly think that if CCP would come on stage and admit that they are starting to work ob PS4 due to request and willingness to keep the console players, a lot of people (me included) would be tamed a lot more.
Working on the PS4 and PC at the same time would even have some benefits.
One could be the avoidance of a head-start of the PC. The following console guys would have a extremely hard time to pick up the progress.
The second thing is that they could figure out a way for the controls. A game pad will always loose to a raw M/KB input, there is nothing to sugarcoat. And now try to catch up with the head-start of the PC players.
Saying this I still believe that having one pool would be the best option, do not split console and PC people. But I can't tell HOW to find a path where a controller can last against a M/KB. May be a stronger aim assist, by only suggesting this I can already hear the "PC-Masterrace" idiots cry out.
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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Timothy Reaper
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
897
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:59:00 -
[245] - Quote
Vargralor wrote:Timothy Reaper wrote:The thing is CCP did make that promise, and those features people were 'daydreaming' about were things CCP again promised were coming to the game. Very true. But when they looked in detail at those things they saw that it would require a fundamental rewrite of the underlying structure and motivations of the game. People throw around terms like Player Market and Player Driven Economy without understanding how they are fundamentally different. A Player Market is little more that a frontend to allow players to trade items they already have and at least one Dev post since Fanfest has mentioned that they still plan to deliver this for Dust. A Player Driven Economy is not something you can simply patch into what is essentially a Lobby Shooter. You need to have an underlying mechanism for harvesting and/or manufacturing along with sufficient motivation to do so. Engaging in PVE as a valid and rewarding alternative to PVP needs again a sufficient reason to do so alogn with balanced risks and rewards. Whilst you could tack these things onto the current gamemodes of Dust it could never be properly integrated with the sandbox style economy of EVE which was the overall goal. The Dust economy needed the underlying sandbox structure along the ability for PVP focused individuals to come along and ruin your day. Otherwise it would create an imbalance in the EVE economy due to the risk/reward imbalance which must be viewed on a significant scale to understand the effects across such a large game structure. Turning a lobby shooter like Dust into a sandbox style interaction environment means essentially starting again. Given that, CCP made the right call and said "OK. Instead of continuing bandaid fixes that we know won't work, let's start again from the ground up.".
The problem isn't that they couldn't make good on their promises (we've all had big plans fall to the ground), it's that they encouraged people to spend money on a project that's endgame had changed months ago without telling their customers.
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Meknow Intaki
279
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:31:00 -
[246] - Quote
Why do we care about any think CCP says?! Dirty liars =ƒÿÆ |
Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2322
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:57:00 -
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In the blog/article/whatever it was about the cancelation of the WoD game, it said that 50 some people on that project were canned. Is that seriously all that was working on an entire MMO? Do you really think that a handful of people can maintain a game while devoloping a new one at the same time?
How are we going to be reassured that this move isn't just going to **** over both DUST and Legion because neither will have the dedicated staff to complete anything?
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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George Moros
Balkan Express Squad
343
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Posted - 2014.05.05 08:13:00 -
[248] - Quote
Appia Vibbia wrote:In the blog/article/whatever it was about the cancelation of the WoD game, it said that 50 some people on that project were canned. Is that seriously all that was working on an entire MMO? Do you really think that a handful of people can maintain a game while devoloping a new one at the same time?
How are we going to be reassured that this move isn't just going to **** over both DUST and Legion because neither will have the dedicated staff to complete anything?
WoD development was already being run by a skeleton crew, prior to decision to cancel it. I suppose some of those people were transferred to DUST/Legion development, but it's just my guess.
Pulvereus ergo queritor.
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John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2014.05.05 08:53:00 -
[249] - Quote
meri jin wrote:@John Surratt
I like the wall of text you put together. I honestly think that if CCP would come on stage and admit that they are starting to work ob PS4 due to request and willingness to keep the console players, a lot of people (me included) would be tamed a lot more.
Working on the PS4 and PC at the same time would even have some benefits.
One could be the avoidance of a head-start of the PC. The following console guys would have a extremely hard time to pick up the progress.
The second thing is that they could figure out a way for the controls. A game pad will always loose to a raw M/KB input, there is nothing to sugarcoat. And now try to catch up with the head-start of the PC players.
Saying this I still believe that having one pool would be the best option, do not split console and PC people. But I can't tell HOW to find a path where a controller can last against a M/KB. May be a stronger aim assist, by only suggesting this I can already hear the "PC-Masterrace" idiots cry out.
Not sure if being trolled by a Goon on my posting or not. . .
I'd seriously doubt that PS4 work will start until there is a viable PC version. That being said, it's a short jump to PS4 from PC. I'd expect a port after there is a working and viable PC version, if only because CCP Rouge is at heart a PC developer. If Valkyrie is a success with Project Morpheus, it may come quicker as well since they will be back to working with Sony to push updates. Control issues are moot in Valk.
Hell, easiest way to fix that issue is make KB/M mandatory on a PS4 version. HTFU and use a real control device.
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Khan Hun
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2014.05.05 08:58:00 -
[250] - Quote
For a year now console-traditionalists have been saying 'dust is console, remove KB/M' 'Having both will never be balanced' etc
Now Legion is PC and suddenly the console traditionalists are saying 'Make a PS4 port, balance it so I can use a controller'
I really feel for those of you who are console only, but after the amount of grief and issues trying to work a controller and a KB/M into dust, ending with the nearly unusable KB/M we have now... why make that mistake again?
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meri jin
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
960
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:01:00 -
[251] - Quote
Khan Hun wrote:
For a year now console-traditionalists have been saying 'dust is console, remove KB/M' 'Having both will never be balanced' etc
Now Legion is PC and suddenly the console traditionalists are saying 'Make a PS4 port, balance it so I can use a controller'
I really feel for those of you who are console only, but after the amount of grief and issues trying to work a controller and a KB/M into dust, ending with the nearly unusable KB/M we have now... why make that mistake again?
Unusable KB/M? Just because it is not a raw Input it's not automatically broken.
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
403
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:23:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:low genius wrote:i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion. My thread is showing opposite but to be fair some people quit or biomassed that will not be tracked alongside those who never visit the forums
There's 50,000 EVE players who are the potential next DUST 2.0 Legion player base. Coz PC / New Eden.
Patrick57 wrote:Nice to see some responses from the devs.
I have a question; IF you ever do plan on releasing Legion for the PS4, will DUST players still be able to transfer the same things that players migrating from DUST to Eve on the PC will be? (I apologize if the wording here is confusing .-.)
With any luck, all DUST chars will be moved over to a new centralised account server. Just like with EVE now, your char can just sit there inactive until you choose to come back and play. I would hope that one day the console-only guys get the option of playing DUST 3.0 on PS4. Or DUST 2.0 on PC if you made that move.
DUST Fiend wrote:
You feel that somehow moving from PS3 to PS4 will be easier.
I feel that moving to PC then to PS4 will be easier (as does CCP)
Going to PC, then to PS4, is going to yield you higher quality, faster results, then attempting to go from PS3, to PS4
I don't know enough about this to have an informed view, but my gut instinct is, either way, there is already a massive CCP player base on PC already, some of whom have been playing 10 years.
This instant mercs-on-tap aspect would factor very highly into my decision were it mine.
Maken Tosch wrote:
Unfortunately, considering that Legion is only a project at a moment that hasn't even received a green light right now, not even CCP knows what the specs will be once Alpha/Closed-Beta testing arrives. I would err on the side of caution and expect mid-range system requirements at the very least.
I think, due to what I said above, that you can take the system specs. required to run EVE, and state that as a Legion requirement. Mid-range and up I would agree Maken.
The DUST community we are part of today, even smaller than before due to the incredible events of the weekend, is going to be a small piece of the Legion community. I for one won't biomass until I've decided whether I want to be there - and if I do, I look forward to see any of you lot there too. For now, I may be in and out of DUST - see you on the ground.
Lightning xVx - tell the guys not to biomass - just walk away with options :)
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1673
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:41:00 -
[253] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote:
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials.
So that's a yes then .... you lot at CCP deliberately led us on with ideas like a player markets and a full integration with eve along with lots of other features that were planed for dust solly to obtain cash out of our pockets. This said cash has obviously been used to fund legion . This is fraud and a scam at best CCP YOU HAVE LET ALLOW OF PEOPLE DOWN AND SHOULDBE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES.
Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
79
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:51:00 -
[254] - Quote
John Surratt wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote: **snip**
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?! Of course they did, because Legion is going to be everything DUST is not and never can be due to hardware obsolescence, architecture limitations, and early bad decisions in game design.
That's bullshit. Look at FFXIV:ARR. That game, on PS3, only had to limit character models to 150 or so. yet, when it went to the PS4, they pretty much removed the character model limitation and now PS4 players are pretty much on par with the PC players. CCP used a ****** excuse to screw over the console players and go to PC so that all the EVE players will shut up about wanting Dust 514 on the PC. ALL of their facebook posts were inundated with 'BRING DUST TO PC' and what not. |
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
7083
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:57:00 -
[255] - Quote
Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me.
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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Jarod Garamonde Jr
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
70
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:01:00 -
[256] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me.
Does this mean I can stop frustrating myself by doing unpaid damage control?
I'm exhausted and these kids aren't listening to reason.
Resorting to anger doesn't work, either. I thought they'd get their own native tongue, but it seems all attempts at communicating with these strange lifeforms is for naught.
I care about the community, but that is somehow mistaken for this odd ritual they refer to as "white knighting".... I shall ponder this between chapters of being emotionally damaged by George RR Martin's writing.
Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
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Grimmiers
518
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:03:00 -
[257] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me.
I was wondering if you guys had footage of the dust graphics presentation and if it would be uploaded to youtube.
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DozersMouse XIII
Inner.Hell
725
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:04:00 -
[258] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me.
I would like to see DUST live on for a couple more years
do you feel this is possible?
I know it's not gonna be linked to eve and all that but that doesn't really affect me (I was always in it for the fps aspect)
so do you feel that CCP's work towards DUST in the future will create more of a "lobby shooter"
do you feel DUST will see player trading, the 2 remaining racial HAV's, and heavy weapons?
why pctards were mad at dust
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Jastaddd Death seeker
NegativeKDR
10
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:06:00 -
[259] - Quote
@CCP Logibro
Let's do a recap, because from what i understand (and i may be wrong) the thing is:
You have dropped assets from Dust in to Legion, slowing the patch to a released game.
Legion is not a confirmed project yet, so if it don't get the "green light" it will never come to life.
At fanjets during the DUST keynote you presented Legion, while is not confirmed yet, and tell the console player base to go **** itself.
We are at a point that Legion may not even come to life, but Dust is now doomed.....
I'm confused. |
Alena Ventrallis
PAND3M0N1UM
Top Men.
1262
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:12:00 -
[260] - Quote
@ Logibro:
What exactly is the gameplan for Dust now? Are we going to get new content, even f just to test it out for implementation into Legion? Are we just going to waiti until Legion is green-lit or not? What happens to us now?
Also, if LEgion isn't green-lit, is there an idea of what will happen to Dust then? Or is there too many moving parts to tell?
That's what you get!! - DA Rick
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meri jin
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
960
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:21:00 -
[261] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me.
CCP Logibro wrote:Guys, I must bow out as I have to be awake for tomorrow. I'll be back again in about 10 hours, give or take a few.
If you are coming back to this, can you or one of your co-workers explain a little more about EVE united?
Will we be able to fuse our mercs in to our EVE Online pilots? Are we going to the AUR on a monthly basis if we have a subscription active in eve? Valkyrie is coming to PS4 as well, how are accounts going to work together?
Do you have any comments about this?
Quote:If CCP would come on stage and admit that they are starting to work ob PS4 due to request and willingness to keep the console players, a lot of people (me included) would be tamed a lot more.
Working on the PS4 and PC at the same time would even have some benefits.
One could be the avoidance of a head-start of the PC. The following console guys would have a extremely hard time to pick up the progress.
The second thing is that they could figure out a way for the controls. A game pad will always loose to a raw M/KB input, there is nothing to sugarcoat. And now try to catch up with the head-start of the PC players.
Saying this I still believe that having one pool would be the best option, do not split console and PC people. But I can't tell HOW to find a path where a controller can last against a M/KB. May be a stronger aim assist, by only suggesting this I can already hear the "PC-Masterrace" idiots cry out.
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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Moonracer2000
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
752
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:22:00 -
[262] - Quote
The one question I am most interested in seeing a decent answer to is "what can Dust players expect for the future of Dust as far as patches/content?"
All information CCP has offered is funneled towards Legion, but this forum is dedicated to the game Dust 514. All of the members of the forum are here because we play, or are interested in Dust 514. Can we get some more information on the current status and future of Dust 514? As good or bad as that may be?
Can we expect any more content for Dust or is it really just going to be minor balance tweaks from now on? |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2082
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:24:00 -
[263] - Quote
@CCP Logibro
If CCP decides to release a PS4 version of legion, maybe 3-4 or more years after the PC version, will my account be there?
Let me say again that for me it's all a money issue, i still want to play the game and continue my story in this game, but i don't have the possibility to buy a gaming PC, while i would be able to buy a PS4 because it costs less.
PSN: ogamega
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KGB Sleep
Inner.Hell
1070
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:29:00 -
[264] - Quote
@CCP Logibro
Can you please ask the teams to integrate controller support for Legion?
Specifically the configurations for the DS3/PS4 controllers so that they are the same as in Dust 514.
Some people like to use the sticks.
Thanks.
Because beer, that's why.
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Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
79
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:30:00 -
[265] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:mollerz wrote:
Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base.
I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future.
I highly doubt that. If you cared about the console players that much, you'd have announced Legion waaaaaaaaay before fanfest. 'Hey guys, we're going to stop developing for Dust soon and reallocate devs to this new game called Project Legion that is nothing like Dust 514'. Instead you were like 'BUY AUR GUYS! Also, we're stopping development of dust because of some bullshit lazy reason and going to PC for out PC fanboys'. |
HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
4808
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:35:00 -
[266] - Quote
I would like to hear about dusts future please.
What is the new content coming to dust?
How long will you provide new content to dust?
Any news for dust? |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4062
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:40:00 -
[267] - Quote
KGB Sleep wrote:@CCP Logibro
Can you please ask the teams to integrate controller support for Legion?
Specifically the configurations for the DS3/PS4 controllers so that they are the same as in Dust 514.
Some people like to use the sticks.
Thanks.
I will certainly bring up the matter of Controller Support to the Dev team in Shanghai.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Scheherazade VII
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
452
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:41:00 -
[268] - Quote
they don't care,
here, have a teletubby
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Harold Junk
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
19
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:41:00 -
[269] - Quote
HowDidThatTaste wrote: I would like to hear about dusts future please.
What is the new content coming to dust?
How long will you provide new content to dust?
Any news for dust?
They said no new content. So far just bug fixes have been announced, from a massively reduced team. So god knows how long they will support dust, but it isn't going to amount for much. |
Scheherazade VII
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
452
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:43:00 -
[270] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:
we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. T
that ship sailed a long time ago mate, right decision, wrong time, not when people have invested hundreds of dollars
and have bought PS3s specifically for your game only to find out that things which were mentioned and vaguely commented on such as PvE and player market were all LIES because they will never be included!
kept our hopes up though, kept the booster sales coming too.
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
7092
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:45:00 -
[271] - Quote
shaman oga wrote:@CCP Logibro
If CCP decides to release a PS4 version of legion, maybe 3-4 or more years after the PC version, will my account be there?
Let me say again that for me it's all a money issue, i still want to play the game and continue my story in this game, but i don't have the possibility to buy a gaming PC, while i would be able to buy a PS4 because it costs less.
It's definitely something we're keeping in mind and if it's at all possible it's something we'll do. It's just a little far out for me to give a concrete answer at this stage.
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
(a¦á_a¦á)
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Jastaddd Death seeker
NegativeKDR
13
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:51:00 -
[272] - Quote
Jastaddd Death seeker wrote:@CCP Logibro
Let's do a recap, because from what i understand (and i may be wrong) the thing is:
You have dropped assets from Dust in to Legion, slowing the patch to a released game.
Legion is not a confirmed project yet, so if it don't get the "green light" it will never come to life.
At fanjets during the DUST keynote you presented Legion, while is not confirmed yet, and tell the console player base to go **** itself.
We are at a point that Legion may not even come to life, but Dust is now doomed.....
I'm confused.
EDIT:
Forgot the question: If what i said is true and i understand well, can you say US why?
Can you please do a quick recap about the situation Logibro? |
Rich o
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
211
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:52:00 -
[273] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me.
This is rather a suggestion than a question:
IF you go green for Legion (which literally means the end for Dust at some point) then go at lest 80% for Legion.
What would then happen to Dust some people may ask. Well, Dust then has an expiration date. But with the following suggestion the game might be fun for the last couple of months/weeks:
Give us the opportunity to either create an alt or to pick an existing alt and give them unlimited SP and ISK. Additionally the ISK-trade-option should be disabled for this toon, and all active SP gained in battles should be "saved" to transfer them to our toons which will migrate to Legion. Of course those new toons would not be able to migrate to Legion and biomass themselves once the PS3-support ends.
This way we are able to have tons of fun, test everything we want to, nobody will complain that much about protostomping and the active SP won't be for nothing
2nd place in EU Squad Cup
Master Shinobi
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Harold Junk
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
19
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:54:00 -
[274] - Quote
Quote:CCP Logibro wrote:
It's definitely something we're keeping in mind and if it's at all possible it's something we'll do. It's just a little far out for me to give a concrete answer at this stage.
Ooh! Good answer!
Man is there like a little book you get those from?
Sorry man, that one means you are getting absolutely nothing unless you get a pc. |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1618
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:58:00 -
[275] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me.
What can you tell us about the future of Dust? Can we expect anything in the form of content?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2085
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:00:00 -
[276] - Quote
What i think is that Dust is Legion and Legion is Dust, despite some difference, some parts are basically copy and paste (not code, but concepts) and if they have the possibility they will copy and paste some things from dust to legion and other from legion to dust, so they are basically working on the same game, afterall we have provided tons of feedback, guidelines are already traced.
PSN: ogamega
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DozersMouse XIII
Inner.Hell
726
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:03:00 -
[277] - Quote
? tell us to ask questions but whenever someone asks a question about DUST they get ignored
why pctards were mad at dust
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Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
249
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:05:00 -
[278] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
from what i understand, porting to PS4 would be rather easy from a technical standpoint since it's an x86 machine with standardized hardware....
it'd probably run great for a few years until there's a large graphical overhaul on PC and it will no longer feasible to keep it running stably on the (by then outdated) ps4 platform.
it's still worth it for you guys to try though. without technical limitations legion could stand to be the "real" console dust
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meri jin
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
960
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:11:00 -
[279] - Quote
Bubba Brown wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
from what i understand, porting to PS4 would be rather easy from a technical standpoint since it's an x86 machine with standardized hardware.... it'd probably run great for a few years until there's a large graphical overhaul on PC and it will no longer feasible to keep it running stably on the (by then outdated) ps4 platform. it's still worth it for you guys to try though. without technical limitations legion could stand to be the "real" console dust so ccp might be asking themselves "is it worth it to port to consoles?" the answer is yes since you'll be one of like, three worthwhile f2p console games
I call this nonsense, in so many points, that I simply don't have the time to point it all out.
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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Flambario Steelhammer
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
15
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:12:00 -
[280] - Quote
Who thought this Keynote would get good reactions?
Go this way: On the EVE Keynote you tell all EVE Players that you got a new baby. Project Adam.
It will get all that EVE has now plus modular pos, 0.0 rebuild, industry changes, FW changes, Wormhole upgrades, full ship painting, ...
EVE get nothing and Project Adam is exclusive for XBOX One.
If you think the EVE players would then not do harm to you? Why do you think the Dust players would react better? We just don't have the masses at Fenfest and here.
DUST 514!!!
This char is dead at the 5/14 14 and no you can't have my stuff. I take that with me.
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OMFGZOMBIESRUN
588
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:14:00 -
[281] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:@CCP Logibro
Can you please ask the teams to integrate controller support for Legion?
Specifically the configurations for the DS3/PS4 controllers so that they are the same as in Dust 514.
Some people like to use the sticks.
Thanks. I will certainly bring up the matter of Controller Support to the Dev team in Shanghai.
Don't forget to add Aim Assist. Thank you. |
George Moros
Balkan Express Squad
343
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:23:00 -
[282] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me.
If Project Legion gets an approval by Hellmar, do you have even the roughest idea of how much time will it take to get Legion to beta test phase? Any kind of roadmap you can share with the community?
Pulvereus ergo queritor.
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DozersMouse XIII
Inner.Hell
727
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:26:00 -
[283] - Quote
George Moros wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me. If Project Legion gets an approval by Hellmar, do you have even the roughest idea of how much time will it take to get Legion to beta test phase? Any kind of roadmap you can share with the community?
CCP's best answer: yes you are correct
why pctards were mad at dust
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4069
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:46:00 -
[284] - Quote
George Moros wrote:
If Project Legion gets an approval by Hellmar, do you have even the roughest idea of how much time will it take to get Legion to beta test phase? Any kind of roadmap you can share with the community?
I will do my darn best to get you an answer to this once we know. I promise.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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meri jin
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
961
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:50:00 -
[285] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:George Moros wrote:
If Project Legion gets an approval by Hellmar, do you have even the roughest idea of how much time will it take to get Legion to beta test phase? Any kind of roadmap you can share with the community?
I will do my darn best to get you an answer to this once we know. I promise.
Seeing the Idea of EVE United, is there ANY doubt about the green-light? Or should I ask, what are the criteria for a approval, what could possible hinder it?
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
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CCP Saberwing wrote:George Moros wrote:
If Project Legion gets an approval by Hellmar, do you have even the roughest idea of how much time will it take to get Legion to beta test phase? Any kind of roadmap you can share with the community?
I will do my darn best to get you an answer to this once we know. I promise.
My guess is they may launch a beta at next years FanFest if given teh green light soon enough and adequate resources are applied.
Saber, what is the staff count in Shanghai? Assuming all Shanghai personal are on a DUST/Legion team...
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
958
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:30:00 -
[287] - Quote
That's not quite an apology so much as it's a "we knew this would **** a lot of people off", is it?
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
377
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:40:00 -
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So, how much stuff will Dust get in the meantime?
Someone else just asked about controllers. How about testing an experimental controller control-scheme that actually utilizes the strengths of a controller instead of cramming fine aim onto the analog sticks, which completely suck at the job? This would allow for a good foundation for having proper kb/m support while allowing players to use the controller - Otherwise, the controller players will be at a huge disadvantage.
It would also make nice headway for a possible PS4 port, especially if you intend crossplay.
There have been a few very good FPS control schemes that made good use of controllers, but they never catched on for some ******** reason.
Controllers simply don't allow for the same pace as kb/m and I would be disappointed if the PC version of Dust didn't get an upped pace, with faster scouts and the like.
Side note: Would we get joystick support for possible additions to the vehicle roster, like fighter craft?
And yes, this question is basically a non-sequitur.
Other than that, I wonder who thought it would be a good idea to tell the fans "go to Iceland and you will see the future of Dust! You will see something big! Also, here are Omega boosters!" and then having a 15 minutes keynote that wasn't about Dust. In addition, the other two keynotes should have started with "This is about Legion" and not "This is about Dust and Legion, but MOST applies to Legion", with a statement at the end that clarified that, no, Dust won't get the new skill tree and suit BPOs.
Had you done it in ANY other way, no one would be enraged. The hostility is not because of Legion, but because of this simple play with expectations.
Had your people gone on stage and said "We can't work with the PS3 and are giving up on Dust. Here is our new project, on PC - And this time, we will be able to keep our promises. Don't worry, your accounts will continue in this new game and we will invite you all to the Beta", no one would have been angry. Sure, a few people genuinely can't get themselves a suitable PC, but I bet most don't have trouble with that.
Now I always have to wonder how I should react if you hype anything at all. And what happens if Legion ISN'T greenlit? Does Dust lose its future entirely? Is that the situation where our accounts and investment won't be able to be retained?
I also wonder about the hacking situation. I mean, you are experienced on PC with EVE, but hacking on an FPS is on an entirely different level from games with indirect controls. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5353
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:07:00 -
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Well, it was nice to have Saberwing quote my question, but actually getting it answered would have been nicer.
Garrett Blacknova wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. I'm sorry, but that WASN'T what I was asking. I was asking WHY YOU KEPT QUIET, not whether you're planning to transfer the content into a new game which many players aren't going to be at all interested in because it's not on either of the platforms we had been told the game would be supporting in future. So, once again, HOW DID THIS NOT GET LEAKED WHILE PEOPLE WERE BEING SHAFTED IN THOSE SALES?
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nukel head
Knights of No Republic
109
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:08:00 -
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low genius wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations. I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release. i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion.
I think they should stay away from consoles. Their games cannot compete with what is going to be available. They are better off sticking with the small player base they are already catering to. |
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Deamonwrath21 DeathReign
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
12
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:18:00 -
[291] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
lol metion ps4 once, give us hope for a console release. E3 i want to hear news |
Maciej Szambelan
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
51
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:20:00 -
[292] - Quote
Can you now, when no one cares anymore, give KBM a raw input? :P |
Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
628
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:26:00 -
[293] - Quote
developing a whole new game seems a pretty extreme way to go, just to remove our BPOs with 'good cause' 
Rolling with the punches
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Deamonwrath21 DeathReign
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
12
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:27:00 -
[294] - Quote
nukel head wrote:low genius wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Spademan wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:
I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.
I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations. I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release. i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion. I think they should stay away from consoles. Their games cannot compete with what is going to be available. They are better off sticking with the small player base they are already catering to.
well that is a death blow ccp console gamers wont leave for legion on pc, you guys are dumb, i fear dust/legion will be hated on console soon. you guys need a new game director, **** Valkyrie, i would be like we will developed for pc then 3 to 6 weeks after ps4 version would work, plus you could delay it look at your killer ccp, planetside 2!, OH THATS IT YOUR ASHAMED YOU PUT ON PS4 PLANETSIDE 2 WILL LEAVE YOU IN THE DUST,GET IT, SO YOUR CALLING WAR AGAINST THEM WELL GOOD LUCK,I STILL WANNA SEE ON PS4 |
Deamonwrath21 DeathReign
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
12
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:30:00 -
[295] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:George Moros wrote:
If Project Legion gets an approval by Hellmar, do you have even the roughest idea of how much time will it take to get Legion to beta test phase? Any kind of roadmap you can share with the community?
I will do my darn best to get you an answer to this once we know. I promise.
So pissy ey, lol you fail in console world you die, battlefield, Call of duty, soon PLANETSIDE 2 dominates console so why cant legion be on ps4??????????   |
Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
114
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:41:00 -
[296] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Ducttape Tinker wrote:
And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?!
I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials.
Then why would we give any of it to you?
(this kind of stuff makes kickstarter look amazing; it's not like ks projects have longer delivery timelines than ccp lives by.)
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
114
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:45:00 -
[297] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:mollerz wrote:
Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base.
I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future.
tl;dtough nuggies
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
634
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:48:00 -
[298] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me.
CCP Logibro, Saberwing,
Considering I have put hundreds of dollars into this game in the span of approximately 6 months, I would love to know whose idea it was to purposefully make that last Aurum sale push despite the fact that Dust was basically starting to be closed down.
I don't hold Saberwing or you accountable for that as it appears both of you just interface primarily with us here in the forums, just so you know, but I am not enamored with with CCP's recent business practices at all and I find them rather deceptive in nature which to me is unacceptable. There is a difference between a false pretense versus an unknown situation or development.
I also would like a concrete statement from CCP to where my money essentially went/will be going. By this I mean that for the character transfers to Legion, I want to know what that exact SP "exchange rate" is going to be and why. Right now my lack of trust for CCP runs high, so I want to know exactly what all that booster money bought me. If you guys end up taking about 1/10th 1/4th, or whatever a percentage of my current SP from this game, I would expect some sort of Aurum refund to accompany that as well. The reason for that is that now in my eyes, the full SP from the boosters that I have paid for would no longer be viable if the SP is only a percentage of what it is now. I would only be receiving a certain percentage of the SP that I technically paid for through active and especially passive boosters.
Also, coming back to Dust 514, with Legion expecting to take at least another year for development before a beta can be opened, what are the specifics for Dust in the immediate future? I have heard that there are to be no more content updates for it, yet there will be bug fixes, etc. Why would CCP not even bring in small amounts of new content, such as the finishing of racial weaponry? Given the fact that Legion will be unavailable for a significant amount of time, what do you plan on doing to hold people's interest with Dust until Legion becomes partially operational?
I have given serious thoughts to taking up Legion when it comes out, but between the uncertainty revolving around the rest of Dust 514 and the recent events which have happened, I have serious doubts.
Thank you
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
578
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:03:00 -
[299] - Quote
where does dust stand on content? what about bug fixes?
we wanted to hear about dust at fanfest and we have heard nothing new.
you have calmed us down for now but it isnt going to stay that way if you continue to ignore dust questions. id like this information so i cn run damage control and keep my corp mates playing.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
126
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:07:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:
Oh, wait,right now Dust is garbage. The player base is still here because they invested their time and money in CCP's dreams. It's like taking our money and develop the game on a different platform, that's it. Imagine, how would Eve players feel if they were told that a version of Eve with awesome cool stuffs was going to be developed on, let's say, PS 5 and left you with a "but you can still play Eve on PC, no worries!". Jita wouldn't simply burn, it would implode.
So, answering directly to your question, no. Dust as is would never be a good competitor in fps on consoles. But that's why they should develop Legion on ps4! This was the plan, just stick with it.
Actually, when DUST was announced this: Quote:
how would Eve players feel if they were told that a version of Eve with awesome cool stuffs was going to be developed on, let's say, PS 5 and left you with a "but you can still play Eve on PC, no worries!". Jita wouldn't simply burn, it would implode.
was exactly what what happened in EVE, minus the "shooting the Amarr statue" part.
EVE players were mega-pissed that Dust was going to be on PS3 (well, the vocal minority was). They couldn't believe that CCP would do something so unimaginably stupid as trying to expand into consoles.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2077
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:08:00 -
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@Saberwing
Less than a month ago you said this:
CCP Saberwing wrote:We are still fully committed to developing EVE, DUST and Valkyrie. Lots of things will be shown around the games in the EVE Universe come Fanfest.
Linky
I really wonder how you managed to come up with two blatant lies in a two sentence post.
Lie #1:
CCP Saberwing wrote:We are still fully committed to developing EVE, DUST and Valkyrie.
As we now know either no one at all or only a skeleton crew has been working on DUST for the past many months and going forward there will still be either no one at all or only a skeleton crew working on DUST. That's not exactly what I would call "fully committed to developing DUST".
Lie #2:
CCP Saberwing wrote:Lots of things will be shown around the games in the EVE Universe come Fanfest.
I wouldn't exactly consider the amount of stuff shown for DUST at FF for "lots". In fact absolutely nothing was shown for DUST.
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
115
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:56:00 -
[302] - Quote
Bendtner92 wrote:@Saberwing Less than a month ago you said this: CCP Saberwing wrote:We are still fully committed to developing EVE, DUST and Valkyrie. Lots of things will be shown around the games in the EVE Universe come Fanfest. LinkyI really wonder how you managed to come up with two blatant lies in a two sentence post. Lie #1: CCP Saberwing wrote:We are still fully committed to developing EVE, DUST and Valkyrie. As we now know either no one at all or only a skeleton crew has been working on DUST for the past many months and going forward there will still be either no one at all or only a skeleton crew working on DUST. That's not exactly what I would call "fully committed to developing DUST". Lie #2: CCP Saberwing wrote:Lots of things will be shown around the games in the EVE Universe come Fanfest. I wouldn't exactly consider the amount of stuff shown for DUST at FF for "lots". In fact absolutely nothing was shown for DUST. Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
not an empty quote, CCP....
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4159
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:06:00 -
[303] - Quote
Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe.
Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion.
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14045
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:07:00 -
[304] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion.
At this point, all I ask is that when you have any info / pictures of Legion Dropships, SHARE THEM PLEAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
581
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:07:00 -
[305] - Quote
boba's fetta wrote:where does dust stand on content? what about bug fixes?
we wanted to hear about dust at fanfest and we have heard nothing new.
you have calmed us down for now but it isnt going to stay that way if you continue to ignore dust questions. id like this information so i cn run damage control and keep my corp mates playing.
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
740
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:09:00 -
[306] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion.
Difficult to state? Saber, seriously dude, you always seem more intelligent than that.
You just say what the **** is going on man. "Laser focused" on the truth is what you should be doing now. Anything less is just an ordinary day. Get the priorities straight up there on top of the world. You guys have a small, yet dedicated fanbase to save. We obviously want to stay. Why else would we still be here moaning?
While you're at it CCP, suck the middle of my dick!
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
636
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:11:00 -
[307] - Quote
Is there some reason that neither of you answered not one single question in the three posts I've written on here?
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Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
81
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:13:00 -
[308] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion. At this point, all I ask is that when you have any info / pictures of Legion Dropships, SHARE THEM PLEAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Why are you still here? You've made it apparent that you want Dust to die. CCP is working on it. Why are you still commenting on these threads?
Also, Saberwing, by not saying anything, you are pretty much lying to us still. Good job, man. Good job. |
DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14046
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:16:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion. At this point, all I ask is that when you have any info / pictures of Legion Dropships, SHARE THEM PLEAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Why are you still here? You've made it apparent that you want Dust to die. CCP is working on it. Why are you still commenting on these threads? Also, Saberwing, by not saying anything, you are pretty much lying to us still. Good job, man. Good job.
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Meknow Intaki
282
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:20:00 -
[310] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. @ LogiBro... I guess the first thing is do you guys understand why so many folksy felt they were dumped on they way all this came about? There are some legitimately great things in the information CCP was putting out but how it was done was a horrendous way to deal with loyal paying customers (some of which flew to ICELAND to celebrate your product). As for a technical question... what drove the choice of PC vs PS4 for the chosen next gen version of Dust / Legion? We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days. As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process. Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
636
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:27:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion. Difficult to state? Saber, seriously dude, you always seem more intelligent than that. You just say what the **** is going on man. "Laser focused" on the truth is what you should be doing now. Anything less is just an ordinary day. Get the priorities straight up there on top of the world. You guys have a small, yet dedicated fanbase to save. We obviously want to stay. Why else would we still be here moaning?
Yeah, you summed that one up really well big. I would like to keep playing this game as well, BUT there is no way I am going to keep going with a company that refuses to answer and assist with their customer's concerns combined with lying to them. The delayed answers in here are only going to keep fueling the fire and making people more angry, including me.
I can understand if you guys don't have the answers immediately at hand for everything in here, I get that. But go and find out to the best of your ability then. It's not where there's only a handful of people angry over something anymore like a weapon or a bug, we're to the point where a large majority of players are angry over not the game, but the development of it.
Also, I've been around the block with the corporate industry and ran my own business. I did work for the US defense industry for several years, I can see through the "red tape/PR BS", so don't patronize me with it.
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
115
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:29:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion.
Here's my problem with this logic, presented by analogy:
If you take the average guy and put him in front of a 20 foot (~4m) long puddle and he tries to jump across it, I'm not going to be mad at the guy for landing in the water. But I will call him an idiot for jumping in the first place.
I agree with a lot of folks--Dust 'belongs' on a PC. How CCP didn't know a console at the end of it's lifecycle wasn't a good place to start development of an MMO meant to be part of the New Eden universe is beyond me.
How you didn't know you were going to end up in the middle of the puddle, wet and muddy and on your butt, is beyond me. But you're there now. And the fan base you built up deserves more than 'sorry' or these lame 'we're going to keep developing' excuses. If Legion has to slow down to maintain your progress on Dust, than that's what you should do. Sound like a bad business decision? Agreed--but that's the situation you put yourself into.
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Leanna Boghin
B.O.D.A.S
94
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
OUR "Investment" doesnt mean **** if we dont own a PC. You know as well as i do that the majority of players for Dust 514 are CONSOLE ONLY. Do you really expect them to just up and Buy a PC for a game that may very well get scrapped like your scrapping dust? I for one have no intention of investing any further in Dust or in your "new toy". You did the community a disservice and you and all of CCP knows it
I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14047
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:34:00 -
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Leanna Boghin wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. OUR "Investment" doesnt mean **** if we dont own a PC. You know as well as i do that the majority of players for Dust 514 are CONSOLE ONLY. Do you really expect them to just up and Buy a console for a game that may very well get scrapped like your scrapping dust? I for one have no intention of investing any further in Dust or in your "new toy". You did the community a disservice and you and all of CCP knows it
Going to PC first gives you a greater chance of a higher quality PS4 port, faster.
#reality
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2571
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:37:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion.
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
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Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
81
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:06:00 -
[316] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Leanna Boghin wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. OUR "Investment" doesnt mean **** if we dont own a PC. You know as well as i do that the majority of players for Dust 514 are CONSOLE ONLY. Do you really expect them to just up and Buy a console for a game that may very well get scrapped like your scrapping dust? I for one have no intention of investing any further in Dust or in your "new toy". You did the community a disservice and you and all of CCP knows it Going to PC first gives you a greater chance of a higher quality PS4 port, faster. #reality
#hashtagtheycanmakeitontheps4justaseasilyasthepc |
DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14049
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:10:00 -
[317] - Quote
Rami Hamilo wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Leanna Boghin wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. OUR "Investment" doesnt mean **** if we dont own a PC. You know as well as i do that the majority of players for Dust 514 are CONSOLE ONLY. Do you really expect them to just up and Buy a console for a game that may very well get scrapped like your scrapping dust? I for one have no intention of investing any further in Dust or in your "new toy". You did the community a disservice and you and all of CCP knows it Going to PC first gives you a greater chance of a higher quality PS4 port, faster. #reality #hashtagtheycanmakeitontheps4justaseasilyasthepc
#higherspecsonpcandlessrestrictionsplussmartermarketingtowideraudience
#hashtag
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
521
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:10:00 -
[318] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment.
And what the thousands you can't. !
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
521
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:17:00 -
[319] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:
That's a yes. I mean, all these events, all these Aurum sales, pretty shady ****. If you think its not, well, then all respect is gone Saber (there isn't really any left, but, in a figurative way).
It's not really. They're 2 separate things...asking where we fund the development of Legion is different than asking if there's a relationship between the promotions and the reveal of Legion. While I can't answer your first question, I can assure you that there is no correlation between sales promotions and revealing Legion - as I said in my previous post, we're going to do our best to transfer everything across.
Better ask which players actually have gaming PC's , could save yourself a HUGE amount of time.
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
522
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:19:00 -
[320] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:mollerz wrote:
Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base.
I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize.
THATS A HELL OF A CONFIRMATION THAT DUST IS BEING DROPPED.
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sammus420
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
396
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:22:00 -
[321] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion.
So telling people in the interview with Rouge that you have big plan for dust to reveal at fanfest then not having any plans for dust to reveal isn't lying? |
Leanna Boghin
B.O.D.A.S
94
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:27:00 -
[322] - Quote
Heavenly Daughter wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. And what the thousands you can't. !
I agree with Heavenly on that question WHAT ABOUT THE THOUSAND PEOPLE WHO CANT TRANSFER THEIR CHARACTER BECAUSE YOU BLATENTLY DECIDED HEY LETS KILL DUST IN FAVOR OF AN "IDEA"? Seriously they arent gonna just up and buy a PC so are you gonna refund them or not? They invested in Dust 514 because you promised a long and fruitful relation ship only for them to be stabbed in the back. So i ask you what are you gonna do for the people that cant transfer their character due to lack of PC?
I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
524
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:36:00 -
[323] - Quote
SONY Refused to revers transactions.
We were told 7 Years for learning all skills, does the phrase ( FALSE ADVERTISING ) mean anything CCP. !
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
387
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:52:00 -
[324] - Quote
Rami Hamilo wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Leanna Boghin wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. OUR "Investment" doesnt mean **** if we dont own a PC. You know as well as i do that the majority of players for Dust 514 are CONSOLE ONLY. Do you really expect them to just up and Buy a console for a game that may very well get scrapped like your scrapping dust? I for one have no intention of investing any further in Dust or in your "new toy". You did the community a disservice and you and all of CCP knows it Going to PC first gives you a greater chance of a higher quality PS4 port, faster. #reality #hashtagtheycanmakeitontheps4justaseasilyasthepc
No, the proper progression is PC -> PS4.
This allows them to make a piece of **** that demands 64GB RAM and two Titan GPUs with a quad i7 setup and a RAID array of SSDs.
Once they got the gameplay nailed down, they can lower the system requirements to sane levels.
And once that happens and they try to port to PS4, they will be forced to optimize even more, which not only allows for the PS4 port but also makes the PC version better.
If you go the opposite way, you have a situation where you need to optimize an unfinished game. And Dust has already shown us how competent CCP are at multitasking. |
Jvnx Nightchill
Tripoint Mercetile Rimrunners
Universal Rockstars
12
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:15:00 -
[325] - Quote
Well, I don't care about being ported to Legion I'm not going to play it. As far as I'm concerned the last 6 months to year CCP was engaged in fraud. Particularly in light of a 'sale' just prior to a death nail that was the announcement at fanfest. I'm sure there are many honorable employees at CCP.
Many of us invested real world money and waited and waited some more in hope of getting close to projections and promises. All the while having reasonable suggestions ignored. At this time it is rather a moot point about Dust's future, it is dead.
Tell you what I want, I want the last year's worth of financial contributions I made refunded. I sure as hell didn't enjoy playing the convoluted mess Dust became. Like others I held on waiting, now there is no point.
CCP disgraced itself, betrayed the trust of a community then insulted its intelligence on top of it. CCP's actions are directly affecting my continued presence in Eve: Online. Granted 3 Eve accounts and 2 Dust accounts in my control may not seem like much, all I have to say is, continued trends in current direction will result in playerbase attrition, including mine. Not a threat just a real world assessment of a company's 'vision'
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4177
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:34:00 -
[326] - Quote
Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :)
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Paladin Sas
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
371
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:41:00 -
[327] - Quote
Id like to Officially request entry into any sort of alpha/beta test ye guys are doing. |
Raz Sidona
0n The Brink
80
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:46:00 -
[328] - Quote
Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! |
Hakyou Brutor
G0DS AM0NG MEN
Dirt Nap Squad.
489
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:48:00 -
[329] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :)
Oh nice!
Now you think to listen to the community!
GG |
Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
81
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:48:00 -
[330] - Quote
Sole Fenychs wrote:
#hashtagtheycanmakeitontheps4justaseasilyasthepc
No, the proper progression is PC -> PS4.
This allows them to make a piece of **** that demands 64GB RAM and two Titan GPUs with a quad i7 setup and a RAID array of SSDs.
Once they got the gameplay nailed down, they can lower the system requirements to sane levels.
And once that happens and they try to port to PS4, they will be forced to optimize even more, which not only allows for the PS4 port but also makes the PC version better.
If you go the opposite way, you have a situation where you need to optimize an unfinished game. And Dust has already shown us how competent CCP are at multitasking.[/quote]
How do you know what the game requires? Maybe if CCP actually stuck to their 10 year plan and not let Sony force them to release an unfinished game, they could have released a more finished game that was optimized and they'd just have to add and optimize new things. If they had just stuck to making it a console only game and used the funds from Dust to further improve the game, they wouldn't have had to screw us over like they did. |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4179
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:51:00 -
[331] - Quote
Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind!
This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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AP Grasshopper
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
247
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:53:00 -
[332] - Quote
Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514?
Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing. |
DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14056
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:55:00 -
[333] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
I hope that you all (CCP) stick to your guns, Green Light Legion, push the PC version through and then get to work on a PS4 port asap.
So long as it's technically feasible, it seems like that's the direction you as a company would want to go anyways, to open the game up to as many potential customers as possible, and to not completely abandon your console playerbase.
I'm looking forward to any and all Legion news, hound Hellmar for that Green Light!
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Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
83
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:55:00 -
[334] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
So, you're saying you guys are knowingly screwing us over and not doing anything about it? You guys don't even know if you'll be able to transfer anything over from Dust to Legion (if you're even looking into it at all). You're also not even sure if they game will be an actual thing yet since you started four months ago without knowing if it'll be approved. As I've said before, many of us console players aren't about to rush out to get a gaming PC (in excess of 1000 dollars sometimes) just to play a game that will kill Dust 514; a game many of us have spent 2 years playing. |
DozersMouse XIII
Inner.Hell
743
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:56:00 -
[335] - Quote
CCP can you answer some of the DUST based questions?
CCP why have you guys have been ignoring them?
why pctards were mad at dust
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Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
83
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:57:00 -
[336] - Quote
AP Grasshopper wrote:Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514?
Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing.
Dust and Legion are not the same game. They've stated it themselves. They are separate games on separate platforms. Dust 514 might not even get any more integration to EVE now. Also, from the sounds of it, Legion won't have EVE integration for at least a year. |
AP Grasshopper
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
249
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:59:00 -
[337] - Quote
Rami Hamilo wrote:AP Grasshopper wrote:Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514?
Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing. Dust and Legion are not the same game. They've stated it themselves. They are separate games on separate platforms. Dust 514 might not even get any more integration to EVE now. Also, from the sounds of it, Legion won't have EVE integration for at least a year.
What I ment was, there both batman comic books, just drawn by two different artists. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1765
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:59:00 -
[338] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion.
understand that continuing to make a distinction between work on dust and project legion is the root of your problem.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Thanos Warpfiend
HongKong n Shanghai Merc Corp
21
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:00:00 -
[339] - Quote
I have over 45.000 AUR which is worthless to me and I've spent $150 on this game as a long-term investment, since I was going to play this for years to come, as I was promised it would be.
Will I be refunded my money?
If not: Does CCP feel they have delivered to me what was promised? |
Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
88
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:01:00 -
[340] - Quote
Thanos Warpfiend wrote:I have over 45.000 AUR which is worthless to me and I've spent $150 on this game as a long-term investment, since I was going to play this for years to come, as I was promised it would be.
Will I be refunded my money?
If not: Does CCP feel they have delivered to me what was promised?
Good luck. CCP is avoiding all Dust related questions and only focusing on Legion questions and concerns, further alienating their Dust community from ever wanting to even look at Legion. |
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Park Yoon-Hee
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:01:00 -
[341] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
You all all are abunch of ******* as holes and i hope you all loose you jobs and raped in your doo doo puss |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5376
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:07:00 -
[342] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
People are still pulling up the post where CCP Saberwing quoted this question that I asked.
I'd just like to point out that the question itself was never actually answered. Changing that fact would be nice. Thanks. |
Bad Heal
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
131
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:11:00 -
[343] - Quote
Is going to PC because its what you're familiar with it, another way to say that CCP cannot meet Sony's expectations for the PS4?
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Red Dot 24601-HA
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
184
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:40:00 -
[344] - Quote
I have always wanted to say this! And it seems to fit here perfectly!
"Welcome to New Eden".
Farewell Mercs its been fun. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
292
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:41:00 -
[345] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:
This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
PC stands for "Personal Computer". Some people lazily intend that to mean "Windows". Is this what you mean by "PC"? If so, can you please stop saying "PC" and start saying "Windows"?
Also, I am guessing you are using Unreal 4 since it makes great business sense for CCP: Unify Valkyrie, Legion, and Incarna using the Unreal 4 engine so that your company has a large bank of skill in the technology you use, and so you can share code between projects if needed...perhaps even allowing players from each game to meet each other from within their respective games.
Now, Unreal 4 has announced support for building for Linux, and Valve is making a big push for Linux, along with their Steam Controller. Given that the barriers and difficulty with cross-platform development are being rapidly removed, can we anticipate a Linux client? |
bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
771
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:44:00 -
[346] - Quote
Saber, why are you only answering questions about Legion? to be honest, Legion means **** to most of us.
What is the timeline for getting some solid information about the future of Dust514?
You ******* are pissing me off with each post by ignoring the Dust questions. I know, I know, what do you care. You are safe and sound in Iceland. Not good business man, just not good business.
"CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
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Bad Heal
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
131
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:54:00 -
[347] - Quote
Legion is a work in progress. 3-4 years MAYBE see it on ps4 once fully developed or where they want it. Not likely.
How about putting EVE on ps4? Its been developed over 10 years now. Bigger market for more moneys.
This should be CCPs top priority. $$$$
Would love to hear from a dev about EVE moving to ps4 |
Serk Gallis
Fancy Men of Cornwall
9
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:05:00 -
[348] - Quote
Bad Heal wrote:Is going to PC because its what you're familiar with it, another way to say that CCP cannot meet Sony's expectations for the PS4?
I'd say it's more that the requirements placed onto developers by the console companies respectively are far too stringent for what they're trying to pull off to work.
You're looking at the PSN (or XBLive) QA team OKing/Veto-ing everything, you're looking at not having control of your main server, patch times, performance/bandwidth allotment, and so on. It's a giant mess.
There's a lot of complex deals that need to be made before being able to put your stuff up through either network. Sony let CCP jump through some real hoops by letting them even connect to their DB from EVE at all, and even then, they probably had to do it through some hacky backend on the PSN server side, which meant a lot of things just couldn't be done in a timely way. If any of you remember the insanely slow market calls in the early beta, that was likely due to that.
To those that were asking why make something for PS3 at all if they were going to do this? If I had to guess, I'd say sponsored projects. I'm pretty sure PSN gave them some funding to start this project as a PSN exclusive. Had they not done this, do you think this project would have even had the funding to get off the ground?
To those that are angry that their EVE subscription is going into DUST development, I suppose you're also pissed off at Blizzard for using WoW funds to make SC2. Or Diablo 3? Or any developer spending money they made on Franchise X to fund Franchise Y? You need money to pay people to make your stuff.
Also, to those people that are saying that you can do both dev for PS4 and PC at the same time... I strongly suggest you take a crack at development yourselves before suggesting that. Those of us who have worked on hardware or software development know how much you have to go through to even get one minor change committed into the main branch of the project. Now duplicate the red tape, the QA, the testing on both platforms.
PS4 is architecturally similar to the PC, yes. Is the OS? No. It will have its own quirks, etc.
You QA a new shader on the PC, and it all looks good. You port it over to the PS4 and find out that some dev for that made some minor change to the way the implementation works on hardware on that and your performance drops insanely. Or you get artefacts or corruption on-screen.
Now you have to get devs involved and taking them away from putting the game together in order to fix something like that.
It's a mess.
CCP's choice to do the PC part first is in my opinion the sanest one. This is coming from someone that has worked with both software and hardware dev. It gets a huge team on the same playing field - they have people shuffling around that have never worked on the PS3 dev kit, or consoles in general. Bring everyone to the same level of experience so that they can hit the ground running with minimal fuss on a platform they're ALL used to working on.
Rants and hatred aside, I do agree with the idea that the way they presented all of this was poor. They could have let everyone know far sooner, and it wouldn't have been as big of a blowup as it was now.
Would people have been upset? Yes. Undoubtedly. You cannot please everyone.
I'm sure the developers themselves want nothing more than to tell us all exactly how cool this will be, and how excited they are to be working on this and their ideas and so on. Unfortunately, business doesn't work that way - ideas are worth more than the product sometimes.
I would love a more real dialogue. I'm OK with hearing "I don't know yet", but that's because I've been in their situation a lot myself, and know how absolutely frustrating it is to be in that position - especially when you are the messenger and everyone wants to hang you for it.
In terms of money spent, I don't know what would be the best solution to those that feel cheated about it. Some of us are perfectly fine and understood the risk of investing in this game, treating our expenses into it as sunk costs. I'm not trying to belittle those that feel differently, only trying to say that not all of us are as emotionally distraught by the decisions made so far.
I think Legion has a lot of potential. I can't begin to state how excited I am to see where this goes, but I also understand that projects can and do fail, because of management, bad decisions, luck, or a bunch of other reasons. I've been there plenty.
I wish a lot of people who have nothing constructive to say, and also, those that have nothing better to do than to incite panic, should STFU and let real dialogue occur.
The more posts that occur with floods of BS or the like, the less of a chance that anyone will reply to the thread as a whole because these guys will just be passing over them since they're surrounded in a sea of brown noise.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
CCP should obviously be a bit more tactful in their way of informing their client base. They also need to address a lot of the very valid concerns people are raising. But if you thought that DUST would be on PS3 forever, you seriously need to get your head out of the sand. |
Raz Sidona
0n The Brink
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
It may not be your decision but you still can press the issue and ultimately your opinion has a larger effect than ours on whoever can make the decision. If you press the issue with us then there is a greater chance of it happening. Don't screw console players more, help get it on PS4 at the same time as PC |
crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
2530
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:30:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
Give us back skirmish 1.0 and leave us alone then ;_;
Please go back to the closed beta skill system, it was built for PC, on that legion is on PC please don't go with a skill system similar to Halo4... No one wants that.
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crazy space
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:30:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
Give us back skirmish 1.0 and leave us alone then ;_;
Please go back to the closed beta skill system, it was built for PC, on that legion is on PC please don't go with a skill system similar to Halo4... No one wants that.
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Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
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Winsaucerer wrote:
Also, I am guessing you are using Unreal 4
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jefferyIV
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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What i would like to know is what is the future for Dust? The Devs haven't Said a thing about updates or bug fixes I feel like Dusties are being left in the dark here...
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
443
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:50:00 -
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Serk Gallis wrote:rant with great logic and info.
I agree with all that you said but the one thing I would take issue with is your last line.
- Not that its wrong but because its what CCP led many to believe.
I came here just at the end of closed beta and from as long as I could remember people discussed how strange it was that a game like this would be developed on a system that was nearing the end of its cycle.
When issues arose and PS4 materialized with concrete specs and release date, the calls came again for the game to be moved or at least a hope that a PS4 client was being worked on secretly. Many were outright saying that the game should move to PS4 or at least have a PC client.
All that ever came from CCP was that Sony will support the PS3 for years still and they had a plan to continue to develop and support Dust. The old 80 million PS3's line was always trotted out by supporters and CCP never did anything to inform their playerbase that something new would be on the horizon, especially this soon.
Now a shiny new CGI trailer is out with more rainbows. I just hope people will wait this time to see if a pot of gold really is there.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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meri jin
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
961
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:53:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :)
Screenshots or photos now and then would help as well. (photo of a ps4 development kid for example...)
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
443
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:54:00 -
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 So not really next gen then.
Well we already knew Cant Code Properly
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
466
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:59:00 -
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AP Grasshopper wrote:Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514?
Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing.
This. I was looking forward to Amarr heavy weapon and vehicles...
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
35
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :)
Wait? WHAT?!
EvE LAUNCHED?
I was told it's much like Dust - Infinite beta.
Which is the truth? I don't like CCP telling me two different lies. Because a year ago your last PR guy was telling me how BETA EvE is and how it's just like Dust.
180 flip here, wonder why...... |
Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1865
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:03:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :) Wait? WHAT?! EvE LAUNCHED? I was told it's much like Dust - Infinite beta. Which is the truth? I don't like CCP telling me two different lies. Because a year ago your last PR guy was telling me how BETA EvE is and how it's just like Dust. 180 flip here, wonder why......
When you lie as much as CCP its hard to keep your stories straight.
Who wants some?
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mollerz
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Master Smurf wrote:Serk Gallis wrote:rant with great logic and info. I came here just at the end of closed beta and from as long as I could remember people discussed how strange it was that a game like this would be developed on a system that was nearing the end of its cycle.
At the time of closed beta the PS4 was vaporware. I've had a PS4 for awhile now. It is still boring as far as content outside of BF4, which only recently got to be playable. I think given their timeline, they had no choice. It was either PS3 or xbox. I think we were all glad they went down the path of PS.
That aside, it was obvious the PS4 was going to be a different beast, but a better one, to develop on. They could have hit that platform running and grabbed a giant share of PS4 players. They really squandered a big opportunity there, amongst others.
I'm really disappointed in CCP Rouge. Personally, I'd have hired someone with a different development skill set. Going only PC is a step backwards from where the money is heading, and it clearly divides your customer base. There is no guarantee going PC is going to be any better, and if anything, if far more open to hacks. They lament the couple extra steps with Sony development, but just wait until they have to contend with the open internet on an FPS.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5391
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:28:00 -
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I would just like to point out that the best Q&A thread on the forums right now is one about CCP being silent.
Brilliant. |
Kev Crow
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
57
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? People are still pulling up the post where CCP Saberwing quoted this question that I asked. I'd just like to point out that the question itself was never actually answered. Changing that fact would be nice. Thanks.
Wow Garett, the force of entitlement to this question is strong with you
But I mean, come on how can they reply to your satisfaction? Firstly, no company will disclose their financial strategy. Secondly, however politely, you are hinting at dishonesty or worst so any reply is damming by implication. Thirdly, as I myself tried to explain in several places already: the potential benefits and reasons of using real money in an F2P game are your own personal choice and cannot be all placed at the marketing altar of " future vision".
I think this guy put it very well:
Serk Gallis wrote:
In terms of money spent, I don't know what would be the best solution to those that feel cheated about it. Some of us are perfectly fine and understood the risk of investing in this game, treating our expenses into it as sunk costs. I'm not trying to belittle those that feel differently, only trying to say that not all of us are as emotionally distraught by the decisions made so far.
CCP should obviously be a bit more tactful in their way of informing their client base. They also need to address a lot of the very valid concerns people are raising. But if you thought that DUST would be on PS3 forever, you seriously need to get your head out of the sand.
So however harsh it sounds, if you have been buying a lot of AUR while DUST is essentially in a constant "state of beta" then you have been keeping your head in the sand. ( Which BTW I don't think you personally were ) |
Ayrie Coronach
DUST University
Ivy League
188
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Kev Crow wrote:Wow Garett, the force of entitlement to this question is strong with you But I mean, come on how can they reply to your satisfaction? Firstly, no company will disclose their financial strategy. Secondly, however politely, you are hinting at dishonesty or worst so any reply is damming by implication. Thirdly, as I myself tried to explain in several places already: the potential benefits and reasons of using real money in an F2P game are your own personal choice and cannot be all placed at the marketing altar of " future vision".
I think this guy put it very well: Serk Gallis wrote:
In terms of money spent, I don't know what would be the best solution to those that feel cheated about it. Some of us are perfectly fine and understood the risk of investing in this game, treating our expenses into it as sunk costs. I'm not trying to belittle those that feel differently, only trying to say that not all of us are as emotionally distraught by the decisions made so far.
CCP should obviously be a bit more tactful in their way of informing their client base. They also need to address a lot of the very valid concerns people are raising. But if you thought that DUST would be on PS3 forever, you seriously need to get your head out of the sand.
So however harsh it sounds, if you have been buying a lot of AUR while DUST is essentially in a constant "state of beta" then you have been keeping your head in the sand. ( Which BTW I don't think you personally were )
Here's the thing.
We're talking about DUST 514, which is classified as an MMO; certain expectations and standards are held by the player base of MMOs.
This is not a boxed-copy/advertised-as feature-complete game, where the experience printed on the disc is the experience period, without substantial change or alteration.
Halo 3 is Halo 3 is Halo 3, always and forever what that game shipped with is all it will ever have, barring minor multiplayer balance adjustments or DLC purchases made separately.
Everyone buys Halo 3 and similar disc-bound/feature complete games knowing this full well. They weigh the investment of money vs the experience AS IT IS and either purchase or don't.
MMOs are a different beast, in that what they are today is not what they are expected to be this same time next year. MMOs are sold on the promise of content addition and expansion. "If you don't like it today, come back in six months and see what you think then."
No one would say that about Halo 3, because as I stated; Halo 3 is Halo 3 is Halo 3. What it was a year ago is exactly what it is today and no one expects any differently.
For MMOs, people weigh the experience as it is PLUS DEVELOPER STATEMENTS ABOUT THE FUTURE DIRECTION AND FEATURE EXPANSION OF THE MMO into their spending calculus to determine whether an investment of money in the product is worth it.
If the development direction of an MMO is to be substantially altered, or indeed HALTED, then the player base needs to be notified of this change in outlook IMMEDIATELY in order to be considered properly informed regarding their investment and purchases. Which we were decidedly NOT.
Gonna quote myself from another thread to lay out an example of the right and wrong ways to manage MMOs.
Ayrie Coronach wrote:
If Blizzard said today "We're shuttering development as of this October, WoW at that point will be as developed as it is ever going to be. Buy items through the in-game market from this point on at your own risk and with full knowledge of this fact" they'd be fine.
Right way.
Ayrie Coronach wrote:
If Blizzard came to this decision six months ago and didn't tell anyone until Blizzcon in November the customers would have every right to demand a refund of their monies, if Blizzard continued to advertise WoW during that time as an MMO with continual content updates and open-ended additions. ESPECIALLY if the majority of Blizzard's sales were made up of items that served no purpose but to increase the speed of progression. Progression which would be rendered pointless much sooner than anticipated, because the end of progression FOREVER would at that point be very much in sight.
WRONG WAY!
Had CCP informed the players about this change in direction months ago, you'd see much fewer complaints about the aurum/microtransaction situation because the people spending their money would have had the opportunity to weigh the new information into their spending calculus.
CCP did NOT do this. They changed the terms of the deal without informing anyone, and allowed (even ENCOURAGED) us to keep spending money as if the status quo was the same as it ever was.
That IS dishonest, and any flak CCP is recieving right now over it is well earned.
CALL 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS '2' AND THEN '2' AGAIN. AURUM PURCHASES CAN BE REFUNDED WITHIN 90 DAYS!
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Dj grammer
Red Star.
EoN.
230
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:54:00 -
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Copy and pasting this:
John Demonsbane wrote:From this thread.John Demonsbane wrote:Finally, to CCP: Eventually such shoddy treatment of your players is going to catch up to you.
Saberwing and Logibro can do all the damage control they want, but the simple fact of the matter is, we were misled for months about progression of this game, being encouraged to buy aurum with the promises of new content and long-term progression in the same format. Now we know better.
Maybe you guys really are competent programmers and the PS3 really was the only issue. I doubt it, but letGÇÖs say thatGÇÖs true. That is completely unrelated and does not excuse how you treated a very loyal group of players.
Moreover, to do this, and then be faced with obvious disapproval by your customers, and say essentially nothing for 48 hours, is pathetic, and reeks of incompetence, contempt, or both.
Even still, days later, the following things that, honestly, almost any well run business would have done by now to demonstrate a commitment to customers, have not happened:
1)An actual apology - Saberwings short and bland one, buried in a thread, is insufficient, and heGÇÖs not even the one who should be doing it. Rouge has said nothing even remotely contrite to date.
2)Concrete explanations of how our concerns will be addressed and why this happened. The responses to our concerns have been nebulous at best, and late GǪ I mean, why not mention right away characters would be transferred over if that was your plan? That would have cooled a lot of the rage. The fact that you didnGÇÖt makes me suspect you are backpedaling on the original plan, which is a bad one anyway, predicating all this on a game thatGÇÖs not even greenlit by the CEO!
3)Some type of good-faith offer to refund, at the very least, the last month or two of aurum sales. Changing plans and using your own intellectual property as best you see fit is one thing. But misleading customers into paying for something they are not actually getting is another. Is it a classic bait and switch? Maybe not, but I can make an argument that hyping boosters and the origin pack just days before FanFest, is very very close. No amount of backpedaling, dubious promises about Legion features and character transfer can erase that one!
You do those three things, CCP, and you will restore most of our faith in you (however misplaced) and may get me back as a customer. Otherwise, IGÇÖm not interested in supporting you as a company any longer.
Good day to you, sirs!
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5396
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:40:00 -
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Kev Crow wrote:Secondly, however politely, you are hinting at dishonesty or worst so any reply is damming by implication.
How am I "hinting" at anything?
I've outright stated in no uncertain terms that pushing those Aurum sales after making the decision to move to PC while trading on the expectation of a previously-advertised move to PS4 was false advertising.
There's no "hint" about it. It was them flat-out LYING to their fanbase.
My question is a direct request for more information - NOT about their financials, but about the decision-making process behind the marketing, and about why nobody realised the decision was going to offend people. It also implies another question, which is whether they plan on reimbursing customers who were decieved in this situation in any way, or whether they plan to leave things as they are and let Sony clean up their mess (because Sony HAVE been, for the most part, refunding people who are complaining about their recent purchases for DUST being the result of false - or at best deliberately misleading - advertising). |
Kev Crow
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:03:00 -
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Ayrie Coronach wrote:
For MMOs, people weigh the experience as it is PLUS DEVELOPER STATEMENTS ABOUT THE FUTURE DIRECTION AND FEATURE EXPANSION OF THE MMO into their spending calculus to determine whether an investment of money in the product is worth it.
I understand that logic, and I sympathise with a feeling of betrayal. But I, and many others as it seems, make our gaming purchases using a different set of guidelines I suppose. DUST struggled from the start, more so then any MMO I have tried. We tolerated it knowing that unlike other MMOs, DUST was a long term project - a risky innovation at its core. I mean how many MMOs, that you used as your "ideal template" tried combining, two different platforms, two communities and vastly different gameplays in a single persistent universe? From that perspective CCP's promises and cavalier attitude about DUST right to the very last moment, which so many claim was so grossly misleading, I see as nothing more then a very much needed optimism in the face of adversity. Considering the risky endeavour that CCP has embarked on, transplanting templates from other MMOs is a bit naive and short sighted.
Again, I am not disregarding the pain that a lot people are feeling. I am only suggesting that a more appropriate barometer of your investment should have been the actual state of the game plus the fact that PS3 isn't exactly the future of gaming...
Our perceptions is what ultimately determines the subjectivity of our experiences.
I do not see this project as halted, merely delayed. In a way I like CCP precicsy because a relationship with them forces me to think more responsibly and less addictivly. As a customer of CCP I have to understand their process and take some of the responsibility on my own shoulders. As oppose to most of the gaming industry, which in my solitary opinion, is spoiling their customers. By pampering them constantly and feeding their insatiable gluttony for perfection the spirit of new discovery through risk and innovation is gradually disappearing. Have you looked around on the MMO market of late? Its all clones... Developers simply don't dare to upset their precious addicts. Its bad for business... Much better to follow a safe and predictable template right? |
Kev Crow
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:25:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
How am I "hinting" at anything?
No you are not, I was just being polite. And you are right they could at least try to say something about it. They have commented on almost every other concern...
The thing is I have been in some very though spots myself, with big projects and huge disappointments all-around and its always simpler to judge looking from the outside inn... So the diplomat at heart that I am, I doing my best to help them along, defuse some tension, play devil's advocate. Plus, I admit a bit selfishly, "preach" about the distinctive psychology required for innovation in gaming. |
Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
93
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:35:00 -
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Dj grammer wrote:Copy and pasting this: John Demonsbane wrote:From this thread.John Demonsbane wrote:Finally, to CCP: Eventually such shoddy treatment of your players is going to catch up to you.
Saberwing and Logibro can do all the damage control they want, but the simple fact of the matter is, we were misled for months about progression of this game, being encouraged to buy aurum with the promises of new content and long-term progression in the same format. Now we know better.
Maybe you guys really are competent programmers and the PS3 really was the only issue. I doubt it, but letGÇÖs say thatGÇÖs true. That is completely unrelated and does not excuse how you treated a very loyal group of players.
Moreover, to do this, and then be faced with obvious disapproval by your customers, and say essentially nothing for 48 hours, is pathetic, and reeks of incompetence, contempt, or both.
Even still, days later, the following things that, honestly, almost any well run business would have done by now to demonstrate a commitment to customers, have not happened:
1)An actual apology - Saberwings short and bland one, buried in a thread, is insufficient, and heGÇÖs not even the one who should be doing it. Rouge has said nothing even remotely contrite to date.
2)Concrete explanations of how our concerns will be addressed and why this happened. The responses to our concerns have been nebulous at best, and late GǪ I mean, why not mention right away characters would be transferred over if that was your plan? That would have cooled a lot of the rage. The fact that you didnGÇÖt makes me suspect you are backpedaling on the original plan, which is a bad one anyway, predicating all this on a game thatGÇÖs not even greenlit by the CEO!
3)Some type of good-faith offer to refund, at the very least, the last month or two of aurum sales. Changing plans and using your own intellectual property as best you see fit is one thing. But misleading customers into paying for something they are not actually getting is another. Is it a classic bait and switch? Maybe not, but I can make an argument that hyping boosters and the origin pack just days before FanFest, is very very close. No amount of backpedaling, dubious promises about Legion features and character transfer can erase that one!
You do those three things, CCP, and you will restore most of our faith in you (however misplaced) and may get me back as a customer. Otherwise, IGÇÖm not interested in supporting you as a company any longer.
Good day to you, sirs!
Wow, this hit it right on the motherfucking nail. Bravo. I say John should be CPM. |
Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
83
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:06:00 -
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8 year eve vet reporting in... beta Dust 514 tester
After the orbital hit us as a whole at Fanfest, there were a lot of other tangos to deal with.
1) console support - my corporation is almost exclusively a console driven entity. They won't make it to PC.
2) skills transferal - We've built up countless hours worth of virtual investment. Without a full transference, many if not all players won't make it over to PC.
3) monetary investment - BPOs, boosters, inventory...
I've stood with CCP as a company through some rough times. I've defended many decisions that were questionable at best. You've pulled through on most things, but even I have my doubts about this transition. For the initial port, bringing everything over 1 to 1 is vital to retaining more than a skeleton crew of players.
I know it's difficult for CCP sometimes to acknowledge its mistakes, but please also look into taking steps to ensure that the player base doesn't have to get redlined for the devs to begin to listen to us.
@Saberwing and @Logibro - thank you for running logi on this whole mess. You guys are class acts and I hope you and the devs listen to many of the ideas presented here for the sake of our game. I'll buy you both a beer next year @FF if we come out of this alive.
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Tarty Fleth
Prima Gallicus
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CCP Logibro wrote:
As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.
Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.
You know, a PS4 is much closer to a PC than a PS3 at the architecture. Many small studios put their production on PS4 very easily today.
Call CCP Newcastle, they will certainly say the same thing as me, and you can share your technology with them ... (and why not Morpheus and PS move on Legion with the PS4? Let me dream ... ^ ^)
And to be clear, I now expect Project Legion on PS4. There is no way to go on PC for me.
Continue to develop Project Legion on PC, but just add PS4 version on your roadmap officialy... |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5412
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:32:00 -
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Kev Crow wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:How am I "hinting" at anything? No you are not, I was just being polite with a tiny bit of sarcasm. And you are right they could at least try to say something about it. They have commented on almost every other concern... The thing is I have been in some very though spots myself, with big projects and huge disappointments all-around and its always simpler to judge looking from the outside inn... So the diplomat at heart, I am doing my best to help them along, defuse some tension, play devil's advocate. Plus, I admit honestly: "preaching" about the distinctive psychology required for innovation in gaming is big on my own selfish agenda.
I've said multiple times that I support some of the ideas behind Legion.
Moving to PC or PS4 (doesn't really matter which) was a smart, and necessary, decision.
Lying to us about having made that decision and pushed heavily into working on it was a terrible, horrible and offensive decision.
Moving the majority of your development team AWAY from a game on PS3 while assuring players that the game isn't going to be abandoned and that you have a full team working on it, then announcing "we've actually been working on this instead for the last few months" isn't what I'd call a necessary level of optimism. Pushing for people to help you fund this new project while continuing to tell them all is well with the ongoing future of the product they're buying is definitely not the right way to face down adversity.
When you're making major changes that are strongly contrary to the expectations you have INTENTIONALLY set for your playerbase, you NEED to be communicating those changes IMMEDIATELY.
All it would have taken was an announcement WHEN THE PROJECT STARTED that they were shifting the majority of their focus to building a PC version of DUST. Not Legion, we didn't need a name. Not a new game, we didn't even need to know it was going to be a ground-up rebuild. We needed to know the focus was changing from PS3 with future PS4 support to REDUCED (and it should have been reduced and not completely canceled) development of new content for the PS3 version while a PC client is being created. At Fanfest, they could announce "it's called Legion, and it's a ground-up rebuild, and it's getting this, that and the other which we always promised but could never deliver for the PS3 version of DUST. Also, in the current build, we're going to be working on those few things left which we CAN get to run on the PS3. They'll be coming a bit slower than some of our recent updates, because we're pretty busy on this new project where we move to the new platform".
Done. PS3 players not abandoned, and most of us not left feeling abandoned. People who have now already made the move to PS4 might not have done so yet, saving up for a gaming PC instead, while others might have moved on to greener pastures with only minor grumbles instead of leaving rage-filled and providing a lot of negative press in the FPS community. If the Legion build for DUST did get a PS4 build down the line, those people WOULD have been saying "cool, I can go back to my old game I loved" instead of encouraging their friends NOT to go because of the betrayal CCP has hit us with here. When people have to go through the processes to get a refund of potentially hundreds of dollars spent over several months because they were lied to, they don't usually let go of that effort very easily.
Moving forward, CCP can still rectify this to some degree. I don't know if they can entirely negate how bad things got, but they can still make up for the worst of it. |
Justice Darling
King Brothers
63
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:46:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :)
Any change of the live stream getting a IRC channel? So we can ask our question directly to the participants of the live stream? |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1808
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:49:00 -
[373] - Quote
Rami Hamilo wrote:AP Grasshopper wrote:Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514?
Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing. Dust and Legion are not the same game. They've stated it themselves. They are separate games on separate platforms. Dust 514 might not even get any more integration to EVE now. Also, from the sounds of it, Legion won't have EVE integration for at least a year.
a year is VERY optimistic.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1808
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:52:00 -
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lolol
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1808
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:54:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:I would just like to point out that the best Q&A thread on the forums right now is one about CCP being silent.
Brilliant.
they're answering planted questions. questions that directly ask something that they've already answered. they answer those.
"so, now that legion is out of the bag, can we expect more information forthcoming?"
that one gets answered.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1808
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:59:00 -
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Justice Darling wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :) Any change of the live stream getting a IRC channel? So we can ask our question directly to the participants of the live stream?
could the devs also stop having conversations where they're not obligated to be honest, or responsible for anything they say?
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Kev Crow
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:21:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
I've said multiple times that I support some of the ideas behind Legion.
I believe you Garrett. I really do. I am simply pointing out that the disagreement is no longer about the merits of the transition but rather about the less tangible aspects of this upheaval: subjective and very individual emotions.
Even in the ideal scenario you have described above I guarantee that the feeling of betrayal would have been equally present - Because the undeniable truth is that trying to develop such an ambitious project on a PS3 was their first and most important mistake. Granted, as I pointed out in another place, if they proposed the new changes "with a scalpel instead of the chainsaw" it would have been a less bloody affair. But amputation is still an amputation, and the patient lives. In other words, if you take the bare facts as presented by CCP so far they differ from your much more pleasant scenario only in terms of external packaging.
Of course packaging is still important because if you do not *handle with care* people get upset and leave. The problem is that gamer communities are subject to a lot of the same behavioural patterns like an out of control mob, where riots are inevitable, sparked always before all the facts are in, and driven by a misguided or misplaced sense of fair-play. This is my scenario:
John Demonsbane wrote: From this thread.Maybe you guys really are competent programmers and the PS3 really was the only issue. I doubt it, but letGÇÖs say thatGÇÖs true. That is completely unrelated and does not excuse how you treated a very loyal group of players.
I see a lot of loyalty pledges flying around left and right, how as good and loyal customers we kept supporting this game despite its flaws. - It would be great if things were so black and white. But in real life they rarely are.
If you knew that the game had flaws then your loyalty was given with the full awareness of the risk - No? For some it seems this loyalty was very conditional and hinging on a monetary value: I give you my money and you are required to save-guard my investment like a bank; e.i. promptly inform me when the gamble doesn't pay off. A bit naive approach, but misplaced loyalty is often based good faith I suppose. Others like me offered their loyalty with a less expectant attitude and with a better understanding of risk, some of which they gladly took on their own shoulders. After all, if we turn this around and and assume that CCP did its darndest to create this game, aren't they entailed to some reward as well, and just for their efforts? Do you think they didn't loose money on this? Doesn't loyalty and partnership imply a responsible sharing of risk? Or are we just talking about the kind of loyalty that is for sale? I mean the kind off predictable mock loyalty that most gaming industry practices...
So for me the bottom line is this: If you want to stick with CCP which is indeed a very unusual bunch of DEVs you have to deal with the fact that the PR packaging will not always be to your liking. Try to look past it and see that the facts are still the same: They reached their limits with PS3, transit to a new platform is unavoidable, casualties (players who's loyalty has been spent) are regretful but part of the process. There is a good reason why most older EVE players call themselves Bitter-Vets - Those are the guys who survived that process |
Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
446
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:26:00 -
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low genius wrote:Rami Hamilo wrote:AP Grasshopper wrote:Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514?
Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing. Dust and Legion are not the same game. They've stated it themselves. They are separate games on separate platforms. Dust 514 might not even get any more integration to EVE now. Also, from the sounds of it, Legion won't have EVE integration for at least a year. a year is VERY optimistic.
But once Legion gets EVE connection thats it for Dust.
Though it doesnt really matter as the only real connection we have is EVE dropping orbitals which hardly happen now anyway.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5420
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:53:00 -
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Kev Crow wrote:Even in the ideal scenario you have described above I guarantee that the feeling of betrayal would have been equally present
I can agree with "would have been present", but CERTAINLY NOT with "would have been EQUALLY present" - there are a LOT of people who would have accepted - disliked, but accepted - the move to PC, and many more who are currently VERY upset, but if handled correctly, would have been equally EXCITED instead. Personally, I was actually HOPING for an announcement that DUST would move to PC in addition to the previously-announced plans to move to PS4. That was the "big news" I WANTED to hear. What we got, in spite of including something I was hoping for, was definitely NOT what I wanted to hear, because it was lies stacked upon deceptions all wrapped up in lies of omission.
Quote:If you knew that the game had flaws then your loyalty was given with the full awareness of the risk - No?
So is that what you're telling a person who signed up for the game 2 weeks ago, encouraged by the still-fresh "laser focused on PS3" announcement, and E3's promises of DUST on PS4? Was their decision to help fund the game made with "full awareness of the risk? What about the guy who knew CCP had directly stated that development is continuing on DUST mere WEEKS ago? Was he "fully aware of the risk" when he decided to buy more Aurum right before Fanfest?
NO. NO WE WERE NOT "FULLY AWARE OF THE RISK" AT THAT STAGE.
Sure, my merc pack way back in beta was bought with full awareness of the risk. My investments of time and money since then have also been made with that same awareness. I've been fortunate enough NOT to have spent money recently enough to be caught up in this disaster as a casualty. That doesn't negate that fact that WE WERE NOT MADE AWARE OF THINGS WE HAD A RIGHT TO KNOW.
When you're buying a car, and told it has only 1,000km on the clock, you don't expect to hand over your money then see 300,000 when you get in the car to drive off. When you get told a computer is top of the line and the best you can get, then find out it's obsolete before you get it home, either you crashed on the way home and just woke up from a coma, or you were lied to. And I'm pretty sure I haven't spent 9 years in a coma while DUST has been "constantly evolving" back into the same Uprising build I was playing before the accident. |
crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
2536
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:01:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :) Wait? WHAT?! EvE LAUNCHED? I was told it's much like Dust - Infinite beta. Which is the truth? I don't like CCP telling me two different lies. Because a year ago your last PR guy was telling me how BETA EvE is and how it's just like Dust. 180 flip here, wonder why......
eve was launched once all racial gear was finished and there were no gaps. There was a player market, fully fkeshed out skill system and everything was finished. Everything else has been bells and whistles, p Old bitter eve online vets like me are the ones that have been angry at CCP for doing a bang up job with Dust. Dust is still unfinished, eve online was not an endless beta, it was a finished product, I should know, I was there, eve is real.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1816
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:58:00 -
[381] - Quote
when are you going to start answering some of the questions in this thread?
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Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:08:00 -
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low genius wrote:when are you going to start answering some of the questions in this thread?
When they're done bowing to the porcelain throne and ready to be men.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
-The Code of Demeanor
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
657
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:25:00 -
[383] - Quote
I think it's completely died down in here now. Looks like the majority of people are now gone.
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Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
96
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:07:00 -
[384] - Quote
LEHON Xeon wrote:I think it's completely died down in here now. Looks like the majority of people are now gone.
Of course almost everyone has left Dust now. Faction Warfare is a joke. There's no one really good anymore aside from the odd queue sync now.
I'm surprised that Sony said they aren't going to be dropping Dust 514 from their service. If they don't now, they will soon with the rate at which people are leaving.
Also, CCP will never give us a straight answer on anything Dust related. They are afraid they may say something wrong and make a bad situation even worse than they are by just ignoring it. Wait... Maybe those worse situations are pretty much the same... Huh. Fancy that. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1818
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:16:00 -
[385] - Quote
Rami Hamilo wrote:LEHON Xeon wrote:I think it's completely died down in here now. Looks like the majority of people are now gone. Of course almost everyone has left Dust now. Faction Warfare is a joke. There's no one really good anymore aside from the odd queue sync now. I'm surprised that Sony said they aren't going to be dropping Dust 514 from their service. If they don't now, they will soon with the rate at which people are leaving. Also, CCP will never give us a straight answer on anything Dust related. They are afraid they may say something wrong and make a bad situation even worse than they are by just ignoring it. Wait... Maybe those worse situations are pretty much the same... Huh. Fancy that.
http://www.reddit.com/r/evelegion
maybe they're waiting for the poll results to decide.
the project does not have a green light. vote for reason.
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Vance Alken
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
157
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:00:00 -
[386] - Quote
low genius wrote:Rami Hamilo wrote:LEHON Xeon wrote:I think it's completely died down in here now. Looks like the majority of people are now gone. Of course almost everyone has left Dust now. Faction Warfare is a joke. There's no one really good anymore aside from the odd queue sync now. I'm surprised that Sony said they aren't going to be dropping Dust 514 from their service. If they don't now, they will soon with the rate at which people are leaving. Also, CCP will never give us a straight answer on anything Dust related. They are afraid they may say something wrong and make a bad situation even worse than they are by just ignoring it. Wait... Maybe those worse situations are pretty much the same... Huh. Fancy that. http://www.reddit.com/r/evelegionmaybe they're waiting for the poll results to decide. the project does not have a green light. vote for reason.
TY for the link, now I'm able to help give Legion the green light.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1825
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:43:00 -
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Vance Alken wrote:low genius wrote:Rami Hamilo wrote:LEHON Xeon wrote:I think it's completely died down in here now. Looks like the majority of people are now gone. Of course almost everyone has left Dust now. Faction Warfare is a joke. There's no one really good anymore aside from the odd queue sync now. I'm surprised that Sony said they aren't going to be dropping Dust 514 from their service. If they don't now, they will soon with the rate at which people are leaving. Also, CCP will never give us a straight answer on anything Dust related. They are afraid they may say something wrong and make a bad situation even worse than they are by just ignoring it. Wait... Maybe those worse situations are pretty much the same... Huh. Fancy that. http://www.reddit.com/r/evelegionmaybe they're waiting for the poll results to decide. the project does not have a green light. vote for reason. TY for the link, now I'm able to help give Legion the green light.
that's why it's there.
jagoff.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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Harold Junk
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
34
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:24:00 -
[388] - Quote
Kev Crow wrote:but rather about the less tangible aspects of this upheaval: subjective and very individual emotional reactions to it.
What? Those don't count anymore? Did we all agree to abandon all social niceties when we connected ourselves to the internet? I didn't. If others have I don't see how that should limit my rights as a customer.
We have unwritten rules in life. You go through your day, and you try to act like a real human, you usually say please and thank you to people and in many social contexts, you are required to do so. Why are you required to do these things? Because the repercussions for not observing these rules, while subjective, could have a detrimental effect on the ease of living/working with these individuals. Examples: You can't **** off your co-workers; You can't tell your boss what you really think of him; You can't **** off half of your customers by being disrespectful to them.
As far as you are concerned we are all trolls and crybabies so it's ok for a company like CCP to treat us as such? No. They will treat us like the paying customers we are or they will lose reputation with every person they expect to sell this game to. |
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:58:00 -
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Legion is a lie. Dust will end and there will be nothing to follow it so stop lying already CCP. i am sure someone a lot smarter than me will find a way to sue CCP and or Sony for false advertisement and whatever else they can conjure up. Pretty soon we will see a petition for a lawsuit or protest of CCP and or Sony. The question is, who will sign it?
CCP is no different than our politicians. Promise much and deliver nothing. Take our money than lie about where it is going. Unfortunately, I am the dummy here that got duped for a product that was promised much much more. Lesson learned I hope.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
245
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:00:00 -
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As a playerbase we should DEMAND concrete assertions that our 6 months, 12 months, 18 months of Dust 514 WILL BE DIRECTLY TRANSFERED into two years worth of progress there.
Not unsure language, not "would like" or "hope" or "looking into."
No, a "we will transfer the equivalent of 18 months of progression" and "we are going to give people perminant in-game items as recompense for BPOs" and even "you will keep your isk at an equivalent PURCHASING POWER"
Those are the types of words I want to hear. Stop talking like a bunch of lawyers and give me CONCRETE statements.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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emtbraincase
Falconpunch Hatesurfers
135
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:18:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion.
The only distinction I, and many others, would've cared about was that the one I/we put money into is on console and the other is on PC. Had I known that was the direction of dust, I can guarantee I wouldn't have put any money into this game. That is specifically how you/CCP lied to us. Pushing Aur sales while planning that same games demise. Likely treads the fine line of legality in certain places, but is most definitely an immaculate example of a failed corporate morality.
That is what I cannot accept, and why many of us want our money back. These are the comments and questions your corporation fails to answer even when presented to you by several individuals. Unfortunately, you cherry-picked the questions you will respond to, which is your prerogative, and not a fault directly. The fact you prefer to answer the same 3-5 questions each time instead of the legitimate concerns of several individuals, who have posed their queries in a respectful manner, is a shame. So I will ask again, for everyone who has so far.....
Why push Aur sales in a game that you knew had no future with your company, without notifying those same players of this eventuality? Also, how do all of those at CCP sleep at night or even look at yourselves in the mirror? |
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:28:00 -
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emtbraincase wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion. The only distinction I, and many others, would've cared about was that the one I/we put money into is on console and the other is on PC. Had I known that was the direction of dust, I can guarantee I wouldn't have put any money into this game. That is specifically how you/CCP lied to us. Pushing Aur sales while planning that same games demise. Likely treads the fine line of legality in certain places, but is most definitely an immaculate example of a failed corporate morality. That is what I cannot accept, and why many of us want our money back. These are the comments and questions your corporation fails to answer even when presented to you by several individuals. Unfortunately, you cherry-picked the questions you will respond to, which is your prerogative, and not a fault directly. The fact you prefer to answer the same 3-5 questions each time instead of the legitimate concerns of several individuals, who have posed their queries in a respectful manner, is a shame. So I will ask again, for everyone who has so far..... Why push Aur sales in a game that you knew had no future with your company, without notifying those same players of this eventuality? Also, how do all of those at CCP sleep at night or even look at yourselves in the mirror?
They pushed those Aur sales to pay for Legion it seems. Either way they have lied to us and they are a company that lacks integrity. Poor business model that seems to be the way the world is going.
SOON TO BE DUST VETERAN. MERC FOR HIRE IS MY "D E S T I N Y"
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Kev Crow
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2014.05.07 08:43:00 -
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Harold Junk wrote:
As far as you are concerned we are all trolls and crybabies so it's ok for a company like CCP to treat us as such? No. They will treat us like the paying customers we are or they will lose reputation with every person they expect to sell this game to.
Why don't you read some more of my post, and the discussion I had with Garrett, most of it is rather balanced and far from condescending or offensive. In a way you made my point for me. You attack me without even bothering to understand - just assuming and blindly expressing your feeling of dissatisfaction. I never said that feelings are wrong, all I am saying is that feelings are subjective and individual and therefore not the ultimate truth. Not everyone feels the same about this... And before you continue judging - I have informed CCP about my dissatisfaction with DUST 10 months ago: I stopped playing both games ( In EVE I had 3 paying accounts) |
Kev Crow
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:53:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
So is that what you're telling a person who signed up for the game 2 weeks ago, encouraged by the still-fresh "laser focused on PS3" announcement, and E3's promises of DUST on PS4? Was their decision to help fund the game made with "full awareness of the risk? What about the guy who knew CCP had directly stated that development is continuing on DUST mere WEEKS ago? Was he "fully aware of the risk" when he decided to buy more Aurum right before Fanfest?
NO. NO WE WERE NOT "FULLY AWARE OF THE RISK" AT THAT STAGE.
And there we agree again. That is why I mention the inevitable casualties. No matter how you slice it CCP is throwing some people under the buss with no apologies.
However, it is obvious that they are cutting corners and trying to desperately recover lost time and money, the fact that they are still using Unreal 3 for Legion is a clear proof of that. No money to start a completely new development process hens porting to PS4 is not an option - PC being their only cheapest alternative, and last chance. The fact that the project is not even green-lit is another proof of losses and uncertainty within the company. Why are they not telling us all this? Why put up a brave face? Again, and I said it over and over: It is optimism in the face of adversity, NOT dishonesty. Without that optimism they might as well just give up now.
In my opinion people must realise what CCP is facing, after all they hinted at the possibility of Legion not being realised at all. There is a very real possibility that the entire vision will have to be scraped. In which case we all go under the buss and everyone lost. Despite what people claim, companies that face such odds rarely concern themselves with unwritten rules and properer etiquette. Its about the gamble for survival and like it or not nothing else matters at this point. Either they succeed on the PC in which case we will get our console game eventually and the casualties would have not been in vain. Or they will fail, end of story. I always though that their chances were slim, but I continue to hope because it usually gets darkest before the dawn.
In any case I hope they are reading all this. Our little debate, Garrett, should at least show them the depth of passion and understanding that many players have. I hope it heartens them, I hope it gives them the strength to face us in an honest way with the truth. Because at this point only the truth can help, like a bitter medicine pill that one has to swallow in order burn away the raging fever. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Kev Crow wrote:In any case I hope they are reading all this. Our little debate, Garrett, should at least show them the depth of passion and understanding that many players have. I hope it heartens them, I hope it gives them the strength to face us in an honest way with the truth. Because at this point only the truth can help, like a bitter medicine pill that one has to swallow in order burn away the raging fever.
I think this says it best. |
Chuck Nurris DCLXVI
Enlightened Infantries
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Spademan wrote:Look at the forums, they've exploded, it's not healthy. Please, just tell us something, anything.
Sadly, unlike the EVE players, we can't stage a massive online protest, grinding the central trade hub to a halt for a few weeks. That seems to be what is needed to get their attention, and then, as it is now, the main problem was silence. Once they started to talk, and deliver on those promises, things quieted down significantly. It is sad that it only took two years for them to forget that lesson.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1836
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:39:00 -
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Chuck Nurris DCLXVI wrote:Spademan wrote:Look at the forums, they've exploded, it's not healthy. Please, just tell us something, anything. Sadly, unlike the EVE players, we can't stage a massive online protest, grinding the central trade hub to a halt for a few weeks. That seems to be what is needed to get their attention, and then, as it is now, the main problem was silence. Once they started to talk, and deliver on those promises, things quieted down significantly. It is sad that it only took two years for them to forget that lesson.
all we can do, is inform those to come.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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Leanna Boghin
B.O.D.A.S
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:48:00 -
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Chuck Nurris DCLXVI wrote:Spademan wrote:Look at the forums, they've exploded, it's not healthy. Please, just tell us something, anything. Sadly, unlike the EVE players, we can't stage a massive online protest, grinding the central trade hub to a halt for a few weeks. That seems to be what is needed to get their attention, and then, as it is now, the main problem was silence. Once they started to talk, and deliver on those promises, things quieted down significantly. It is sad that it only took two years for them to forget that lesson.
Just dont play Legion (when it comes out) to protest what they have done and their treatment of us. Its because of players like us that they are still in business. Its because of players like us that they get their great ideas from. Its because of players like us that Eve became so addictive and Dust became so loved (or hated when your getting proto stomped) And apparently CCP has forgotten about us. So i will forget about them!!!
Legion is a bad joke
I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
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Harold Junk
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:50:00 -
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(Sorry for wall of text)
Kev Crow wrote:You attack me without even bothering to understand - just assuming and blindly expressing your feeling of dissatisfaction.
I don't see how anything I said could be interpreted as a personal attack on you, I'm sorry if my bitter tone upsets you, but I am just as biased as anybody on these forums. If you don't want people picking apart your arguments, then don't post them.
Quote:Why don't you read some more of my post, and the discussion I had with Garrett, most of it is rather balanced and far from condescending or offensive.
I'm sorry to tell you this but EVERYBODY has a bias, we all consider our arguments perfect and can't see any fault with them, but that's not how it is, that is just your perspective. No offense intended, but nothing you say is sacred. Nothing I say is sacred either, please feel free to rip apart my arguments, but I don't think my tone is relevant to the discussion. I'm trying to stick to the points made, but I would love to see how you justify your point of view, but everything else is meaningless.
Quote: I never said that feelings are wrong, all I am saying is that feelings are subjective and individual and therefore not the ultimate truth.
I'm sorry... the ultimate truth? I don't know what that means. Can I assume you mean "relevant to this discussion"?
If I don't shop at safeway because the staff is uncommunicative and aloof, and I don't feel comfortable there, I will register a complaint with head office and if they want my business(and perhaps the business of those who feel the same way and don't say anything), they will look into solving that problem. I don't see why my feelings should be disregarded by management just because they are "feelings", when it is something that is adversely affecting the business.
Quote: Not everyone feels the same about this... And before you continue judging - I have informed CCP about my dissatisfaction with DUST 10 months ago: I stopped playing both games ( In EVE I had 3 paying accounts)
You make points, and I dissect them if I don't like them and point out flaws. I'd love to hear about why you cancelled your accounts, but I don't see how that changes what you said.
And I read your post, I didn't memorize it, but I found a part I disagreed with and I focused on that one point. Maybe if I read it again I will realize how wrong I am and honor you by putting a line of it in my sig, but I don't think so.
Quote: I guarantee that the feeling of betrayal would have been equally present
No I promise you it wouldn't have been equal, because if CCP hadn't duped me into spending money on an mmo they just killed, I would be legion fanboy number 1. So definitely not equal. You can tell me my opinion doesn't matter, because I'm just one guy, but you used the word "equal", so if you want to make that point a different way, feel free.
And I'm sorry if you consider this an "attack", but you keep saying things like "i am the voice of reason!", and I'm sorry, but that is also wrong, you have a viewpoint, and you are expressing it to others, and marveling at how anybody could possibly not agree with you 100%. That is exactly what everybody is doing, except some people enjoy adding some strong language, and that is fine by me. Please accept your own bias and join the rest of us in the discussion.
Kev Crow: "Despite what people claim, companies that face such odds rarely concern themselves with unwritten rules and properer etiquette."
I don't care what "odds" they face, every company has to treat their customers with respect or suffer the consequences, do a google search for "business/corporation apologizes". MSNBC had to apologize because one of their correspondents was wearing a sombrero and shaking maracas on his segement, and some people were offended. Go figure.
You say that you want CCP to be more honest with us, but if they can lie to us without consequence, why should they?
tldr; It's okay to have a bias, but pretending you aren't biased only weakens your arguments... in my opinion. SMILEY FACE. |
RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
131
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:03:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:As a playerbase we should DEMAND concrete assertions that our 6 months, 12 months, 18 months of Dust 514 WILL BE DIRECTLY TRANSFERRED into 6 months, 12 months, 18 months worth of progress there.
Not unsure language, not "would like" or "hope" or "looking into."
No, a "we will transfer the equivalent of 18 months of progression" and "we are going to give people permanent in-game items as recompense for BPOs" and even "you will keep your isk at an equivalent PURCHASING POWER"
Those are the types of words I want to hear. Stop talking like a bunch of lawyers and give me CONCRETE statements.
No one gives concrete statements anymore, for exactly the reason of lawyers.
Just look at the forums, people started talking lawsuit 3 seconds after the first Legion keynote at fanfest.
Deal with any supplier of electronics, you can't get positive confirmation on anything other than the type of inputs/outputs on a device. Everything comes with a exception, or maybe, or the statement of "we'll look into it".
You can thank the US propensity for lawyering up as a reason you cant get the answers you're looking for now. |
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1849
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:22:00 -
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answers?
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
249
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:14:00 -
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meri jin wrote:Bubba Brown wrote:
from what i understand, porting to PS4 would be rather easy from a technical standpoint since it's an x86 machine with standardized hardware....
I call this nonsense, in so many points, that I simply don't have the time to point it all out.
i really look forward to it
give me the highlights at least
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Kev Crow
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:03:00 -
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Harold Junk wrote:
And I'm sorry if you consider this an "attack", but you keep saying things like "i am the voice of reason!", and I'm sorry, but that is also wrong, you have a viewpoint, and you are expressing it to others, and marveling at how anybody could possibly not agree with you 100%. That is exactly what everybody is doing, except some people enjoy adding some strong language, and that is fine by me. Please accept your own bias and join the rest of us in the discussion.
Kev Crow: "Despite what people claim, companies that face such odds rarely concern themselves with unwritten rules and properer etiquette."
I don't care what "odds" they face, every company has to treat their customers with respect or suffer the consequences, do a google search for "business/corporation apologizes". MSNBC had to apologize because one of their correspondents was wearing a sombrero and shaking maracas on his segement, and some people were offended. Go figure.
You say that you want CCP to be more honest with us, but if they can lie to us without consequence, why should they?
tldr; It's okay to have a bias, but pretending you aren't biased only weakens your arguments... in my opinion. SMILEY FACE.
I used the word attack not to show something that I felt personally. I tried to illustrate how easily one can dismiss, indeed dissect, arguments with merits when ones own view is clouded but strong negative emotions and a refusal to see both sides of the coin. And so I have no need to pretend anything. I truly seek the Aristotelian 'golden mean truth' here, and that is nearly impossible when one is biased. Because in most conflicts and disagreements the truth usually lies in the middle.
I have no doubt that CCP has failed their DUST community plus committed serious PR and marketing faux pas. But I think that accusing them of lying with premeditation or callously stealing does not help to uncover the unbiased truth regardless of the language one uses.
I am defiantly not marvelling how people could possible not agree with me a 100%. After all, without a good disagreement my own egoistic entitlement aimed towards compromises and diplomacy would feel impotent . Besides, I have already apologised elsewhere, for the preachy nature of my texts.
At this point, I want the same thing from CCP like most people here: An honest attempt at reconciliation, I am just going about it in a different way. I do feel compelled to emphasise though: reconciliation does not have anything to do with retribution. And an apology only goes so far. To restore credibility I want a full and honest explanation and I will judge for myself how much of it rings true. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
1864
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Posted - 2014.05.09 04:09:00 -
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any answers in here?
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5533
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Posted - 2014.05.09 04:19:00 -
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low genius wrote:any answers in here?
Yes there are answers.
No there aren't official answers to the most important questions. |
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