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Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 192	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:30:00 - [151] - Quote MR-NASTY wrote: Since this conversation is not about dust its about legion The locker room is <--------------------------------------- that way Can we please get somE news on DUST! A six month plan? Maybe we should start reporting all these off-topic Legion threads.
BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:30:00 - [152] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: mollerz wrote: Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base. I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future. I think you should make a post or something saying just SORRY, not really about your choice to move, about the way you did It and the time you did it. Would be a good start so maibe fans will think about give you a future chance. I really feel sadness, CCP never did anything agains me to lost faith on the company until that Dust keynote. Now I cant see even EvE the same way. :'(

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7028	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:33:00 - [153] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Will there ever be an acknowledgement that the way this information was presented was at best unfair to the players? Some kind of apology for not letting us know sooner, and for waiting until the worst possible moment to inform us? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132553#post2132553 CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)

Isaa Quade Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 406	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:35:00 - [154] - Quote Where was the word "sorry" in that post? My reaction to Legion
S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 362	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:40:00 - [155] - Quote Development for DUST 514 on PS3 has fairly long lead times. If DUST 514 is still supported then there is something in the pipeline now. We don't have to have a release date -- but it would go a long way to building a bit of credibility if you could say what is under development. If there is nothing under development then we could put that to rest and just get on with enjoying what we have if we can. It is but to keep the nerves at strain, to dry one's eyes and laugh at a fall, and baffled, get up and begin again.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1596	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:41:00 - [156] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Will there ever be an acknowledgement that the way this information was presented was at best unfair to the players? Some kind of apology for not letting us know sooner, and for waiting until the worst possible moment to inform us? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132553#post2132553 I don't mean to be rude, but I'd like to press you for an answer to this: Quote: is there anything you can tell us about the coming dust in terms of content, can we expect any maps/modes/weapons? Do you know a rough timeline of how long the game will be supported? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 7368	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:41:00 - [157] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Nice to see some responses from the devs. I have a question; IF you ever do plan on releasing Legion for the PS4, will DUST players still be able to transfer the same things that players migrating from DUST to Eve on the PC will be? (I apologize if the wording here is confusing .-.) Please, LogiBro (or Saberwing), I'd really appreciate an answer. At least a yes or no if this is possible.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4048	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:41:00 - [158] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Whaaa? Just convert all skills to SP, and then move them over. That would be a good way to do it, as long as SP is maintained at a 1:1 ratio (or some equivalent, I'm not a game designer :) Whatever happens, we will do what we can to make that transition transparent and fair. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 983	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:42:00 - [159] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: mollerz wrote: Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base. I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future. @ CCP Saberwing, CCP Logibro, and CCP Rouge... Would you be willing to come on our podcast - BIOMASSED next week to basically get a do-over on how things were introduced to us? The podcast is ran by Pokey Dravon, Soraya Xel, and myself...feel free to check our post history and talk to Hans, Nova, and Kain about us. Bottom line - the mishandled roll-out covered up what potentially could have been great news for the community and seeded doubt, confusion, and generated some serious negativity. Trust is a finite resource in the service industry and you have a lot of customers feeling burned right now. Will you guys come on the show and engage with us to help clear the air? "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1386	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:43:00 - [160] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Will there ever be an acknowledgement that the way this information was presented was at best unfair to the players? Some kind of apology for not letting us know sooner, and for waiting until the worst possible moment to inform us? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132553#post2132553 I was always taught that apology did not end with a BUT. That was read as more of a matter of fact statement acknowledging that we are upset. I was thinking more along the lines of a dev blog by Rouge that would simply be an apology, without any need to temper it with justifications. Specifically, if not towards the Dust community as a whole, to those who spent lots of money to fly to Iceland just for Dust only to be disappointed (and that is an understatement).

ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1010	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:45:00 - [161] - Quote Now, on the talk of character transfers, how would that, in theory, work? You can't sign in using a PSN since this is skipping over Sony, so would it be some form of link system to your e-mail connection? Some sort of custom link? I'm mainly asking because, as I won't buy a PC for one questionable game, I'd like to sell my character if there are perks to existing BPOs/SP amounts/etc. Being at 45 million SP and having a decent number of BPOs, I could maybe fetch a little for this guy. PS, add in the ability to change names, that'll really add some value to our investments. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 578	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:46:00 - [162] - Quote whats our chance's of a trade window. (market even) any new maps mode's gun's? basicly are we going to get any new content or is that it done. thank you for your time reading this and hopefully replying.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 729	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:49:00 - [163] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. People here have tried to make themselves super clear as well. We are angry, you duped us into buying more Aurum when you had no intention of moving the game forward. Now, tell me this, if you can be clear on it. Before CCP took on the project of developing a shooter game based on the console(PS3), ddi you not know what your companies capabilities were? While you're at it CCP, suck the middle of my dick!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5312	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:55:00 - [164] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Will there ever be an acknowledgement that the way this information was presented was at best unfair to the players? Some kind of apology for not letting us know sooner, and for waiting until the worst possible moment to inform us? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132553#post2132553 I was always taught that apology did not end with a BUT. That was read as more of a matter of fact statement acknowledging that we are upset. I was thinking more along the lines of a dev blog by Rouge that would simply be an apology, without any need to temper it with justifications. Specifically, if not towards the Dust community as a whole, to those who spent lots of money to fly to Iceland just for Dust only to be disappointed (and that is an understatement). You asked two questions. The link answers the first. There is no response (yet) to the second. Kind of like how my question got quoted and not answered. At least they got one of yours.
Citpaan Hacos Hired Bums 55	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:56:00 - [165] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: That would be a good way to do it, as long as SP is maintained at a 1:1 ratio . It can be done regardless of the differences in progression. DUST has a max SP, it may take a while, but you can cap out. Take the total SP needed to cap, and express each player's SP as a percentage of that total. Everybody gets that percentage progress transferred to Legion. (Or a fraction, as long as the fraction is the same for everyone.) You can even do the same for ISK/Gear. You just find a Big Mac Index / PPP for DUST, do the same for Legion, and boom, you have a translation. BPOs are a sticking point that needs more work, but it's an edge case. This isn't hard, it just takes a bit of fidelity and thought. Which have sadly been lacking.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2715	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:57:00 - [166] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. People here have tried to make themselves super clear as well. We are angry, you duped us into buying more Aurum when you had no intention of moving the game forward. Now, tell me this, if you can be clear on it. Before CCP took on the project of developing a shooter game based on the console(PS3), ddi you not know what your companies capabilities were? In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 893	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:59:00 - [167] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. I realize that one or two Devs may not have all the answers to such uncomfortable (but valid) questions, but please stop trying to dance around the issue, it only makes you look bad.
Rami Hamilo Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 76	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:00:00 - [168] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. @ LogiBro... I guess the first thing is do you guys understand why so many folksy felt they were dumped on they way all this came about? There are some legitimately great things in the information CCP was putting out but how it was done was a horrendous way to deal with loyal paying customers (some of which flew to ICELAND to celebrate your product). As for a technical question... what drove the choice of PC vs PS4 for the chosen next gen version of Dust / Legion? We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days. As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process. Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now. So, basically, you said **** it for the console, ramped up AUR sales without telling us you're canceling the game and you also don't even know if Legion will be green-lit (which it probably will so you can shut up the EVE players constantly bitching about wanting a PC shooter) and, on top of all of that, you don't even know that you'll be able to convert our characters over to legion, instead, you'll try to give us some (probably) crappy incentive to come over. Well, I for one, will not be rushing out to buy a 1000 dollar PC that will be able to play Legion. I'll continue to play Dust until it dies in a few weeks, then I will go get a PC when Star Citizen comes out and a PS4 for Destiny. I won't get an EVE account or a Valkyrie account or a Legion account. You have screwed us console players over and I won't offer any more support to your company.
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14009	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:02:00 - [169] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 872	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:02:00 - [170] - Quote Spademan wrote: Look CCP, maybe you had a good reason for this, but how are we to know when you haven't said anything? We've had one dev make a few passing comments on character transfers, that's it. Do you know how that makes us feel? Look at the forums, they've exploded, it's not healthy. Please, just tell us something, anything. What you did is not ok, but maybe we could understand if you just speak up. FUKKING A BRO! This crap will kill your DUST fan base, CCP. You are coming across as secretive, uncaring of your fans and greedy. Munch Minmatar Patriot (Level 7) Dedicated Sniper

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5314	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:05:00 - [171] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. The vast majority would have welcomed a PC port IF THEY HANDLED THE ANNOUNCEMENT WITH SOMETHING VAGUELY RESEMBLING COMPETENCE.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2717	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:05:00 - [172] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14009	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:07:00 - [173] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market?
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 431	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:12:00 - [174] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market? AAA - you heard!!!! "Shine bright like a diamond"
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 7368	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:13:00 - [175] - Quote I came up with a question I feel is better. What sort of developments are being worked on for Dust? I realize that you are now "laser focused" on Legion, but can us Dusters expect anything new, other than hotfixes and changes to current features?
Zion Shad ZionTCD 2215	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:13:00 - [176] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. You owe me a shirt... Oh and glad to see you chatting Co-Owner of Multiplexgaming.com Co-Host of PODSIDE on iTunes
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1011	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:14:00 - [177] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market? What exactly will set Legion apart from every other FPS on PCs? It has burning trees because leaves don't exist in its universe? Because it has rocks? A PvE mode, like any old horde mode? What exactly makes it different, is it that EVE players will come play it? Is that it, so it can regrab an audience that CCP owns? Having EVE pilots drop strikes? The supposed boarding of ships (let's be realistic here), is that it? I know that Prophecy video made EVE, Legion, and Valkyrie interacting look amazing, but, that won't happen, at least not for a long, long time (isn't Valkyrie gonna be on its own server anyway?). xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14009	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:15:00 - [178] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: [What exactly will set Legion apart from every other FPS on PCs? It has burning trees because leaves don't exist in its universe? Because it has rocks? A PvE mode, like any old horde mode? What exactly makes it different, is it that EVE players will come play it? Is that it, so it can regrab an audience that CCP owns? Having EVE pilots drop strikes? The supposed boarding of ships (let's be realistic here), is that it? I know that Prophecy video made EVE, Legion, and Valkyrie interacting look amazing, but, that won't happen, at least not for a long, long time (isn't Valkyrie gonna be on its own server anyway?). So what you're saying is just scrap the DUST IP? Because it's just an upgraded form of DUST, so, if it's garbage, then what exactly is DUST?
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 895	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:15:00 - [179] - Quote DUST Fiend & xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Blah, blah, blah... Please don't start that old argument here. We're finally getting some answers from CCP.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5316	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:16:00 - [180] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market? I don't think a PC port of DUST with new content and upgraded graphics has any better chance of being "not mediocre" than a PS4 port of DUST with new content and upgraded graphics. You think a difference in platform with literally ZERO hardware differences would necessitate such a significant amount more work that they can make a quality product on one platform but not the other?



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