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Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 182	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:41:00 - [61] - Quote I think many of us would like to know, first and foremost, EXACTLY how much support can we expect to see for Dust moving forward, and for how long?
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:43:00 - [62] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Aside from leaving PS3 players in the proverbial dust, you have my full support for Legion, what little that amounts to. I've been so disheartened by the feeling that this game not only wasn't going anywhere quick, but COULDN'T. You really revived that sense of excitement I once had for DUST by announcing Legion, even though I WAS pretty pissed at how it all went down. My only question right now for Legion is this: Will my Prometheus come back to me? What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates. What good is more power when you can't even accomplish what others before you have? PS3 wan't holding Dust back, cheap chinese labor was. lol you actually think DUST can be much more than it is now on console
MR-NASTY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 236	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:45:00 - [63] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Put your tap dancing shoes on. Because we know all you can do is dance around the important questions and only give us a show of interest.
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 556	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:48:00 - [64] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies? Quite frankly, I want my experience to matter a lot. My time and monetary investment deserves to be recognized in a very tangible way on the field of battle. Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. Make character development count!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5292	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:49:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? Seriously. That, for me, is the big one. You KNEW this was the equivalent of killing off DUST. You had to. There is literally ZERO possibility of us taking this any other way. None. YOU KNEW. The future of Legion is PC. The future of DUST is nothing. We had been led to believe that DUST would continue to see NEW CONTENT ON PS3 for some time, and we had been told that the game WOULD BE MOVING TO PS4 IN FUTURE. Now it's focused primarily on PC development with no plans for a PS4 release. While we were still being assured that DUST was a long-term project that's going to be receiving long-term support, you were developing something completely separate, AND pushing sales for us to spend money on TO HELP YOU FUND WHAT YOU LIED ABOUT. HOW DID YOU NOT SEE THIS REACTION COMING? HOW DID YOU NOT REALISE HOW UTTERLY AND INSANELY STUPID IT WAS TO HOLD ONTO THIS SECRET WHILE GOUGING PLAYERS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN? I hold EVERYONE at CCP who knew about the project responsible. And I hold the CPMs responsible as well. NONE of you should have let this happen. And you all did.
pseudosnipre Fatal Absolution 712	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:53:00 - [66] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why did you wait till Fanfest? Limit to number of players on a given section of map? Unreal 4, carbon, or other? F2P or plex? How will continuing to play dust benefit my Legion Character? Will CCP encourage or discourage botting and aimhacks? Legion test server and early alpha access based on dust merc account date? Obviously you don't have hard answers, but sharing the direction you are leaning would be a nice thing to see... Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
Kincate DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:54:00 - [67] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. There is support for this, I may be on the extreme side but I for one would prefer no new content for Dust 514 and focusing more resources on Legion. Also while Ive got Dev eyes on -Beta invites for Current dust players - Discussion on what will happen if and when they merge "Identities" like they talked about at Fanfest Otherwise +1 for legion. Be honest about what is going to happen and get it done right this time.
pseudosnipre Fatal Absolution 712	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:55:00 - [68] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. I resemble that remark... Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1506	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:58:00 - [69] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Aside from leaving PS3 players in the proverbial dust, you have my full support for Legion, what little that amounts to. I've been so disheartened by the feeling that this game not only wasn't going anywhere quick, but COULDN'T. You really revived that sense of excitement I once had for DUST by announcing Legion, even though I WAS pretty pissed at how it all went down. My only question right now for Legion is this: Will my Prometheus come back to me? What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates. What good is more power when you can't even accomplish what others before you have? PS3 wan't holding Dust back, cheap chinese labor was. Well said i agree. CCP= EA liars thieves
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1509	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:59:00 - [70] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: SirManBoy wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. I resemble that remark... Did you perhaps mean resent? a newb in english as well i see. CCP= EA liars thieves

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2703	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:00:00 - [71] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? Seriously. That, for me, is the big one. You KNEW this was the equivalent of killing off DUST. You had to. There is literally ZERO possibility of us taking this any other way. None. YOU KNEW. The future of Legion is PC. The future of DUST is nothing. We had been led to believe that DUST would continue to see NEW CONTENT ON PS3 for some time, and we had been told that the game WOULD BE MOVING TO PS4 IN FUTURE. Now it's focused primarily on PC development with no plans for a PS4 release. While we were still being assured that DUST was a long-term project that's going to be receiving long-term support, you were developing something completely separate, AND pushing sales for us to spend money on TO HELP YOU FUND WHAT YOU LIED ABOUT. HOW DID YOU NOT SEE THIS REACTION COMING? HOW DID YOU NOT REALISE HOW UTTERLY AND INSANELY STUPID IT WAS TO HOLD ONTO THIS SECRET WHILE GOUGING PLAYERS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN? I hold EVERYONE at CCP who knew about the project responsible. And I hold the CPMs responsible as well. NONE of you should have let this happen. And you all did. Answer this please. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2703	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:01:00 - [72] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates. What good is more power when you can't even accomplish what others before you have? PS3 wan't holding Dust back, cheap chinese labor was. Well said i agree. And this please. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Bat Cow Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:02:00 - [73] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Can we get some answers on Dust instead of Legion? As I understand it, Dust is here. Legion isn't, and may never be. These are the Dust forums, there were supposed to be Dust keynotes. I mean sure, congratulations on your new embryo, but what I'd like to know is: 1) Will there be any "updates" to Dust (new equipment, maps, etc.)? If so, when? 2) Will there be any "patches" (fixing terrain so we can finally run without having to jump over a 4" rock, etc.) If so, when? 3) Is Dust just going into "maintenance" mode until the number of players trickle down? If so, when? Finally: In many of the interviews on other websites, there appears to be a disdain of Dust and its supportive community by members of CCP- as if we're all simply an annoying bump in the road to Legion (and if Legion doesn't happen, who cares?). This, compounded with all the Aurum based events recently, surely you all should have anticipated the blow back that would come from this announcement. I also game on a PC, and of course I like the idea of Legion, it's everything CCP originally said Dust was going to be. So considering the current treatment of the Dust community, why should I follow or support either Legion or Valkyrie? Moo.
Chime Jigme Gallente Anarchist Movement Extraordinaire 0	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:04:00 - [74] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Aside from leaving PS3 players in the proverbial dust, you have my full support for Legion, what little that amounts to. I've been so disheartened by the feeling that this game not only wasn't going anywhere quick, but COULDN'T. You really revived that sense of excitement I once had for DUST by announcing Legion, even though I WAS pretty pissed at how it all went down. My only question right now for Legion is this: Will my Prometheus come back to me? What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates. Out of interest and a chance for possible pro-PS3 arguments, what game are you talking about?
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2044	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:05:00 - [75] - Quote Chime Jigme wrote: Out of interest and a chance for possible pro-PS3 arguments, what game are you talking about? MAG. Also it supported 256 players. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 139	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:05:00 - [76] - Quote And nothing again, we going here in circles boyos, better idea is burn this "corn fields" ad find way out by ourselves. CCP YOU SCREWING THINGS MORE CONGRATZ Markdown
pseudosnipre Fatal Absolution 712	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:06:00 - [77] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: SirManBoy wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. I resemble that remark... Did you perhaps mean resent? a newb in english as well i see. Clearly one of us is a moron...and maybe even a 12 year-old. I'll leave it to you and Google to decide which. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2703	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:11:00 - [78] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Chime Jigme wrote: Out of interest and a chance for possible pro-PS3 arguments, what game are you talking about? MAG. Also it supported 256 players. And also had much deeper battles, where there was things like "tactics" and "squad movements" . There you go, take a look at this map http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100905202322/wikimag/images/e/e1/Domination-Raven.jpg Look closer, you can see bunkers, sensor array, Mortar, anti-air, barricade, gates, bridges, helicopters, tanks This is a freaking ps3. (Thank you Ani x, this is the most accurate Raven Dom map I've ever seen.) Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4038	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:12:00 - [79] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 139	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:14:00 - [80] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Cut that bshate. YES we can or NO we cant everything what we hear is still 50x50 Markdown


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7015	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:14:00 - [81] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. @ LogiBro... I guess the first thing is do you guys understand why so many folksy felt they were dumped on they way all this came about? There are some legitimately great things in the information CCP was putting out but how it was done was a horrendous way to deal with loyal paying customers (some of which flew to ICELAND to celebrate your product). As for a technical question... what drove the choice of PC vs PS4 for the chosen next gen version of Dust / Legion? We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days. As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process. Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)

bhold'the brngr ofLIKE Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:15:00 - [82] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Chime Jigme wrote: Out of interest and a chance for possible pro-PS3 arguments, what game are you talking about? MAG. Also it supported 256 players. And also had much deeper battles, where there was things like "tactics" and "squad movements" . There you go, take a look at this map http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100905202322/wikimag/images/e/e1/Domination-Raven.jpg Look closer, you can see bunkers, sensor array, Mortar, anti-air, barricade, gates, bridges, helicopters, tanks This is a freaking ps3. (Thank you Ani x, this is the most accurate Raven Dom map I've ever seen.) the helicopters weren't even real vehicles they were just a stationary point with turrets and dressed up to look like a vehicle, the tanks weren't much more iirc. thats a poor example because mag was mostly infantry with a bunch of artillery spam every 5 seconds- also poorly implemented
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1588	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:15:00 - [83] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. So Legion, if it becomes a product, may not even have a progression system at all? Or do you mean aspects of it? Or did I misread? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:17:00 - [84] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. I don't think you get it... The majority of the Dust players are not PC players won't be play Legion on the PC. You pushed events and sales for these people well knowing you would be cutting (well actually already had) the support for the game. That's basically stealing money from people. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 123	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:17:00 - [85] - Quote Ducttape Tinker wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Cut that bshate. YES we can or NO we cant everything what we hear is still 50x50 Your request doesn't make sense. Legion is not at a point in development where they know what the equivalent of your character's properties are or even whether there will be one or not.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1588	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:19:00 - [86] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days. As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process. Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now. I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again) I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
castba Penguin's March 417	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:20:00 - [87] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now. Sounds like you guys will miss an excellent opportunity given the lack of good games currently on ps4.
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 139	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:20:00 - [88] - Quote WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: Ducttape Tinker wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Cut that bshate. YES we can or NO we cant everything what we hear is still 50x50 Your request doesn't make sense. Legion is not at a point in development where they know what the equivalent of your character's properties are or even whether there will be one or not. It makes sence, i just want to know if they will make it or not. He told they can transfer on dust, but no guarantee in legion. If someone want transfer persone frm dust to legion, thats a question and we still do not have answer. And tbh i still waiting for statement for my question. And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?! Markdown
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2705	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:21:00 - [89] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Then, we all need a PC to protect our investments? In other words, we have to spend more money buying a PC in order to spend more money on your game? E io pago! Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2049	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:23:00 - [90] - Quote bhold'the brngr ofLIKE wrote: the helicopters weren't even real vehicles they were just a stationary point with turrets and dressed up to look like a vehicle, the tanks weren't much more iirc. thats a poor example because mag was mostly infantry with a bunch of artillery spam every 5 seconds- also poorly implemented Artillery spam? Poorly implemented? Me thinks you mixing up MAG with Dust here. Airstrikes in MAG had a looong cooldown (like 5+ minutes), had a smoke signal beforehand which meant people were alerted a strike was incoming and didn't come down immediately. On the other hand, in Dust a squad can collect enough WP for a strike in much less time and it strikes immediately (there's a warning, but that's not of any use when it strikes immediately). I know which of those scenarios gives the most "spam". Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.



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