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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:51:00 -
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Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind!
This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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AP Grasshopper
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:53:00 -
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Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514?
Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing. |
DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:55:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
I hope that you all (CCP) stick to your guns, Green Light Legion, push the PC version through and then get to work on a PS4 port asap.
So long as it's technically feasible, it seems like that's the direction you as a company would want to go anyways, to open the game up to as many potential customers as possible, and to not completely abandon your console playerbase.
I'm looking forward to any and all Legion news, hound Hellmar for that Green Light!
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Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:55:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
So, you're saying you guys are knowingly screwing us over and not doing anything about it? You guys don't even know if you'll be able to transfer anything over from Dust to Legion (if you're even looking into it at all). You're also not even sure if they game will be an actual thing yet since you started four months ago without knowing if it'll be approved. As I've said before, many of us console players aren't about to rush out to get a gaming PC (in excess of 1000 dollars sometimes) just to play a game that will kill Dust 514; a game many of us have spent 2 years playing. |
DozersMouse XIII
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:56:00 -
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CCP can you answer some of the DUST based questions?
CCP why have you guys have been ignoring them?
why pctards were mad at dust
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Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:57:00 -
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AP Grasshopper wrote:Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514?
Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing.
Dust and Legion are not the same game. They've stated it themselves. They are separate games on separate platforms. Dust 514 might not even get any more integration to EVE now. Also, from the sounds of it, Legion won't have EVE integration for at least a year. |
AP Grasshopper
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:59:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:AP Grasshopper wrote:Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514?
Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing. Dust and Legion are not the same game. They've stated it themselves. They are separate games on separate platforms. Dust 514 might not even get any more integration to EVE now. Also, from the sounds of it, Legion won't have EVE integration for at least a year.
What I ment was, there both batman comic books, just drawn by two different artists. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1765
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:59:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business?
I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion.
understand that continuing to make a distinction between work on dust and project legion is the root of your problem.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Thanos Warpfiend
HongKong n Shanghai Merc Corp
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:00:00 -
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I have over 45.000 AUR which is worthless to me and I've spent $150 on this game as a long-term investment, since I was going to play this for years to come, as I was promised it would be.
Will I be refunded my money?
If not: Does CCP feel they have delivered to me what was promised? |
Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:01:00 -
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Thanos Warpfiend wrote:I have over 45.000 AUR which is worthless to me and I've spent $150 on this game as a long-term investment, since I was going to play this for years to come, as I was promised it would be.
Will I be refunded my money?
If not: Does CCP feel they have delivered to me what was promised?
Good luck. CCP is avoiding all Dust related questions and only focusing on Legion questions and concerns, further alienating their Dust community from ever wanting to even look at Legion. |
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Park Yoon-Hee
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:01:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me.
You all all are abunch of ******* as holes and i hope you all loose you jobs and raped in your doo doo puss |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:07:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us?
People are still pulling up the post where CCP Saberwing quoted this question that I asked.
I'd just like to point out that the question itself was never actually answered. Changing that fact would be nice. Thanks. |
Bad Heal
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:11:00 -
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Is going to PC because its what you're familiar with it, another way to say that CCP cannot meet Sony's expectations for the PS4?
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Red Dot 24601-HA
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
184
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:40:00 -
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I have always wanted to say this! And it seems to fit here perfectly!
"Welcome to New Eden".
Farewell Mercs its been fun. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:41:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:
This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
PC stands for "Personal Computer". Some people lazily intend that to mean "Windows". Is this what you mean by "PC"? If so, can you please stop saying "PC" and start saying "Windows"?
Also, I am guessing you are using Unreal 4 since it makes great business sense for CCP: Unify Valkyrie, Legion, and Incarna using the Unreal 4 engine so that your company has a large bank of skill in the technology you use, and so you can share code between projects if needed...perhaps even allowing players from each game to meet each other from within their respective games.
Now, Unreal 4 has announced support for building for Linux, and Valve is making a big push for Linux, along with their Steam Controller. Given that the barriers and difficulty with cross-platform development are being rapidly removed, can we anticipate a Linux client? |
bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:44:00 -
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Saber, why are you only answering questions about Legion? to be honest, Legion means **** to most of us.
What is the timeline for getting some solid information about the future of Dust514?
You ******* are pissing me off with each post by ignoring the Dust questions. I know, I know, what do you care. You are safe and sound in Iceland. Not good business man, just not good business.
"CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
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Bad Heal
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:54:00 -
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Legion is a work in progress. 3-4 years MAYBE see it on ps4 once fully developed or where they want it. Not likely.
How about putting EVE on ps4? Its been developed over 10 years now. Bigger market for more moneys.
This should be CCPs top priority. $$$$
Would love to hear from a dev about EVE moving to ps4 |
Serk Gallis
Fancy Men of Cornwall
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:05:00 -
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Bad Heal wrote:Is going to PC because its what you're familiar with it, another way to say that CCP cannot meet Sony's expectations for the PS4?
I'd say it's more that the requirements placed onto developers by the console companies respectively are far too stringent for what they're trying to pull off to work.
You're looking at the PSN (or XBLive) QA team OKing/Veto-ing everything, you're looking at not having control of your main server, patch times, performance/bandwidth allotment, and so on. It's a giant mess.
There's a lot of complex deals that need to be made before being able to put your stuff up through either network. Sony let CCP jump through some real hoops by letting them even connect to their DB from EVE at all, and even then, they probably had to do it through some hacky backend on the PSN server side, which meant a lot of things just couldn't be done in a timely way. If any of you remember the insanely slow market calls in the early beta, that was likely due to that.
To those that were asking why make something for PS3 at all if they were going to do this? If I had to guess, I'd say sponsored projects. I'm pretty sure PSN gave them some funding to start this project as a PSN exclusive. Had they not done this, do you think this project would have even had the funding to get off the ground?
To those that are angry that their EVE subscription is going into DUST development, I suppose you're also pissed off at Blizzard for using WoW funds to make SC2. Or Diablo 3? Or any developer spending money they made on Franchise X to fund Franchise Y? You need money to pay people to make your stuff.
Also, to those people that are saying that you can do both dev for PS4 and PC at the same time... I strongly suggest you take a crack at development yourselves before suggesting that. Those of us who have worked on hardware or software development know how much you have to go through to even get one minor change committed into the main branch of the project. Now duplicate the red tape, the QA, the testing on both platforms.
PS4 is architecturally similar to the PC, yes. Is the OS? No. It will have its own quirks, etc.
You QA a new shader on the PC, and it all looks good. You port it over to the PS4 and find out that some dev for that made some minor change to the way the implementation works on hardware on that and your performance drops insanely. Or you get artefacts or corruption on-screen.
Now you have to get devs involved and taking them away from putting the game together in order to fix something like that.
It's a mess.
CCP's choice to do the PC part first is in my opinion the sanest one. This is coming from someone that has worked with both software and hardware dev. It gets a huge team on the same playing field - they have people shuffling around that have never worked on the PS3 dev kit, or consoles in general. Bring everyone to the same level of experience so that they can hit the ground running with minimal fuss on a platform they're ALL used to working on.
Rants and hatred aside, I do agree with the idea that the way they presented all of this was poor. They could have let everyone know far sooner, and it wouldn't have been as big of a blowup as it was now.
Would people have been upset? Yes. Undoubtedly. You cannot please everyone.
I'm sure the developers themselves want nothing more than to tell us all exactly how cool this will be, and how excited they are to be working on this and their ideas and so on. Unfortunately, business doesn't work that way - ideas are worth more than the product sometimes.
I would love a more real dialogue. I'm OK with hearing "I don't know yet", but that's because I've been in their situation a lot myself, and know how absolutely frustrating it is to be in that position - especially when you are the messenger and everyone wants to hang you for it.
In terms of money spent, I don't know what would be the best solution to those that feel cheated about it. Some of us are perfectly fine and understood the risk of investing in this game, treating our expenses into it as sunk costs. I'm not trying to belittle those that feel differently, only trying to say that not all of us are as emotionally distraught by the decisions made so far.
I think Legion has a lot of potential. I can't begin to state how excited I am to see where this goes, but I also understand that projects can and do fail, because of management, bad decisions, luck, or a bunch of other reasons. I've been there plenty.
I wish a lot of people who have nothing constructive to say, and also, those that have nothing better to do than to incite panic, should STFU and let real dialogue occur.
The more posts that occur with floods of BS or the like, the less of a chance that anyone will reply to the thread as a whole because these guys will just be passing over them since they're surrounded in a sea of brown noise.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
CCP should obviously be a bit more tactful in their way of informing their client base. They also need to address a lot of the very valid concerns people are raising. But if you thought that DUST would be on PS3 forever, you seriously need to get your head out of the sand. |
Raz Sidona
0n The Brink
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:08:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
It may not be your decision but you still can press the issue and ultimately your opinion has a larger effect than ours on whoever can make the decision. If you press the issue with us then there is a greater chance of it happening. Don't screw console players more, help get it on PS4 at the same time as PC |
crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
2530
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:30:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
Give us back skirmish 1.0 and leave us alone then ;_;
Please go back to the closed beta skill system, it was built for PC, on that legion is on PC please don't go with a skill system similar to Halo4... No one wants that.
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crazy space
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:30:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Raz Sidona wrote:Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first.
Give us back skirmish 1.0 and leave us alone then ;_;
Please go back to the closed beta skill system, it was built for PC, on that legion is on PC please don't go with a skill system similar to Halo4... No one wants that.
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Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
293
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:56:00 -
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Winsaucerer wrote:
Also, I am guessing you are using Unreal 4
Turns out they're using their modified Unreal 3 engine. |
jefferyIV
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:25:00 -
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What i would like to know is what is the future for Dust? The Devs haven't Said a thing about updates or bug fixes I feel like Dusties are being left in the dark here...
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
443
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:50:00 -
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Serk Gallis wrote:rant with great logic and info.
I agree with all that you said but the one thing I would take issue with is your last line.
- Not that its wrong but because its what CCP led many to believe.
I came here just at the end of closed beta and from as long as I could remember people discussed how strange it was that a game like this would be developed on a system that was nearing the end of its cycle.
When issues arose and PS4 materialized with concrete specs and release date, the calls came again for the game to be moved or at least a hope that a PS4 client was being worked on secretly. Many were outright saying that the game should move to PS4 or at least have a PC client.
All that ever came from CCP was that Sony will support the PS3 for years still and they had a plan to continue to develop and support Dust. The old 80 million PS3's line was always trotted out by supporters and CCP never did anything to inform their playerbase that something new would be on the horizon, especially this soon.
Now a shiny new CGI trailer is out with more rainbows. I just hope people will wait this time to see if a pot of gold really is there.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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meri jin
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
961
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:53:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :)
Screenshots or photos now and then would help as well. (photo of a ps4 development kid for example...)
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
443
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:54:00 -
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 So not really next gen then.
Well we already knew Cant Code Properly
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
466
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:59:00 -
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AP Grasshopper wrote:Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514?
Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing.
This. I was looking forward to Amarr heavy weapon and vehicles...
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
-The Code of Demeanor
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:01:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :)
Wait? WHAT?!
EvE LAUNCHED?
I was told it's much like Dust - Infinite beta.
Which is the truth? I don't like CCP telling me two different lies. Because a year ago your last PR guy was telling me how BETA EvE is and how it's just like Dust.
180 flip here, wonder why...... |
Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1865
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:03:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days.
And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning.
Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :) Wait? WHAT?! EvE LAUNCHED? I was told it's much like Dust - Infinite beta. Which is the truth? I don't like CCP telling me two different lies. Because a year ago your last PR guy was telling me how BETA EvE is and how it's just like Dust. 180 flip here, wonder why......
When you lie as much as CCP its hard to keep your stories straight.
Who wants some?
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:05:00 -
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Master Smurf wrote:Serk Gallis wrote:rant with great logic and info. I came here just at the end of closed beta and from as long as I could remember people discussed how strange it was that a game like this would be developed on a system that was nearing the end of its cycle.
At the time of closed beta the PS4 was vaporware. I've had a PS4 for awhile now. It is still boring as far as content outside of BF4, which only recently got to be playable. I think given their timeline, they had no choice. It was either PS3 or xbox. I think we were all glad they went down the path of PS.
That aside, it was obvious the PS4 was going to be a different beast, but a better one, to develop on. They could have hit that platform running and grabbed a giant share of PS4 players. They really squandered a big opportunity there, amongst others.
I'm really disappointed in CCP Rouge. Personally, I'd have hired someone with a different development skill set. Going only PC is a step backwards from where the money is heading, and it clearly divides your customer base. There is no guarantee going PC is going to be any better, and if anything, if far more open to hacks. They lament the couple extra steps with Sony development, but just wait until they have to contend with the open internet on an FPS.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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