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xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2703	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:00:00 - [1] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? Seriously. That, for me, is the big one. You KNEW this was the equivalent of killing off DUST. You had to. There is literally ZERO possibility of us taking this any other way. None. YOU KNEW. The future of Legion is PC. The future of DUST is nothing. We had been led to believe that DUST would continue to see NEW CONTENT ON PS3 for some time, and we had been told that the game WOULD BE MOVING TO PS4 IN FUTURE. Now it's focused primarily on PC development with no plans for a PS4 release. While we were still being assured that DUST was a long-term project that's going to be receiving long-term support, you were developing something completely separate, AND pushing sales for us to spend money on TO HELP YOU FUND WHAT YOU LIED ABOUT. HOW DID YOU NOT SEE THIS REACTION COMING? HOW DID YOU NOT REALISE HOW UTTERLY AND INSANELY STUPID IT WAS TO HOLD ONTO THIS SECRET WHILE GOUGING PLAYERS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN? I hold EVERYONE at CCP who knew about the project responsible. And I hold the CPMs responsible as well. NONE of you should have let this happen. And you all did. Answer this please. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2703	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:01:00 - [2] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates. What good is more power when you can't even accomplish what others before you have? PS3 wan't holding Dust back, cheap chinese labor was. Well said i agree. And this please. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2703	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:11:00 - [3] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Chime Jigme wrote: Out of interest and a chance for possible pro-PS3 arguments, what game are you talking about? MAG. Also it supported 256 players. And also had much deeper battles, where there was things like "tactics" and "squad movements" . There you go, take a look at this map http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100905202322/wikimag/images/e/e1/Domination-Raven.jpg Look closer, you can see bunkers, sensor array, Mortar, anti-air, barricade, gates, bridges, helicopters, tanks This is a freaking ps3. (Thank you Ani x, this is the most accurate Raven Dom map I've ever seen.) Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2705	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:21:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Then, we all need a PC to protect our investments? In other words, we have to spend more money buying a PC in order to spend more money on your game? E io pago! Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2706	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:31:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days. As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process. Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now. I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again) I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first. pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. "Guinea Dust Bunnies". Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2708	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:37:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. Do you want a quality PS4 port? If so, PC has to be made and optimized first. A port? Actually, Dust 514 has been "ported" to PC with this Eve : Legion project. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2708	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:39:00 - [7] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Then, we all need a PC to protect our investments? In other words, we have to spend more money buying a PC in order to spend more money on your game? E io pago! To be fair with this one, we HAD been told all along that the game wasn't going to stay on PS3 indefinitely. Moving to PC or PS4 was always part of the plan. But it had been announced that DUST was going to be moving to PS4, and people had been led to believe quite strongly that PS4 was the future, and not PC, or if it did move to PC, it would be after the PS4 version. They intentionally AVOIDED correcting us on that information while pushing sales to people who had the perfectly reasonable expectation for DUST to be moving onto the next-gen console. Even if they hadn't told us about Legion at all, and just announced "we're not certain of PS4 support, but the future development of DUST will be moving it to PC when we go next-gen", that would have been enough before Fanfest. Save all the pretty and shiny extras, but that NEEDED to be said A LONG TIME AGO. Yeah, I mean, who owns a ps3 now will likely buy or already have a ps4. I'm just not going to buy a performing PC to play Legion. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2708	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:40:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: SoTasLost Property wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: pf... How to betray console gamers, especially the same console gamers you exploited for 2 years, constantly throwing "Dust" in our eyes. Do you want a quality PS4 port? If so, PC has to be made and optimized first. It didn't have to be first, they choose it for there own time comfort, regardless of how it spits in our face. How many times are people going to say, "But it's easy to port over!" before they realize it means the same backwards too? How is developing on an unfamiliar system with more constraints "the same" to you? This excuse may work with ps3, not ps4. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2708	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:47:00 - [9] - Quote Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: Not quite true. While PS4 is a PC architecture, that only refers to the hardware, not the SDK and infrastructure. It's still a whole lot different to making games on the PC. No it's simply not. Google it. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2709	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:56:00 - [10] - Quote low genius wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first. I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations. I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release. i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion. So, I suppose you already know how to stop wall hacks and aimbots in such a competitive game like "Legion" that would even affect another game, right? just asking, because, you know, ps4 is ironclad... Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2710	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:21:00 - [11] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Then, we all need a PC to protect our investments? In other words, we have to spend more money buying a PC in order to spend more money on your game? E io pago! May you answer this? Why are you moving on another platform instead of ps4 if your player base is on ps3? Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2715	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:57:00 - [12] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. People here have tried to make themselves super clear as well. We are angry, you duped us into buying more Aurum when you had no intention of moving the game forward. Now, tell me this, if you can be clear on it. Before CCP took on the project of developing a shooter game based on the console(PS3), ddi you not know what your companies capabilities were? In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2717	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:05:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2718	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:17:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: In other words you're telling us to just "Adapt or die". What's your game as a service? Where is the service? This is just wrong, seriously. The vast majority of this community would have welcomed a ps4 port, I'm sure of it. I'm sure plenty of you would enjoy a mediocre port to the PS4 that would remain as niche an unreceived as this game has been, but there are also plenty of us who want the game to actually succeed. Those of us know that developing for the PC, THEN porting, is the only logical way to accomplish that. Why does it needs to be mediocre? If the game needs to be competitive, then PC is a no-go anyway. There's nothing more, besides the fact we were told this was going to be a sony exclusive. You don't think DUST as is, is mediocre? You think this game is actually a strong competitor in the next gen FPS market? Oh, wait,right now Dust is garbage. The player base is still here because they invested their time and money in CCP's dreams. It's like taking our money and develop the game on a different platform, that's it. Imagine, how would Eve players feel if they were told that a version of Eve with awesome cool stuffs was going to be developed on, let's say, PS 5 and left you with a "but you can still play Eve on PC, no worries!". Jita wouldn't simply burn, it would implode. So, answering directly to your question, no. Dust as is would never be a good competitor in fps on consoles. But that's why they should develop Legion on ps4! This was the plan, just stick with it. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2718	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:18:00 - [15] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: DUST Fiend & xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Blah, blah, blah... Please don't start that old argument here. We're finally getting some answers from CCP. Answer?! lol! "Maybe", "we'll do our best to.." , "it may be possible that...". Yeh, answers. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2718	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:27:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We're just going around in circles. You feel that somehow moving from PS3 to PS4 will be easier. I feel that moving to PC then to PS4 will be easier (as does CCP) Going to PC, then to PS4, is going to yield you higher quality, faster results, then attempting to go from PS3, to PS4 Just suppose for a second it could be easier (even if I think it's pretty much the same amount of work). There's a huge difference between what's the easy thing to do and what's the right thing to do. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.