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CCP Logibro wrote:

Spademan wrote:

CCP Logibro wrote:

We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.

As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.

Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.

I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again)

I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first.

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Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 612	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:49:00 - [121] - Quote SCAT mania wrote: "skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion" i dont care for skills.. i want my sp.. 2 very different things. if i was to go to legion i should have 30 mill sp to spend. you sound as if you guys are going to transfer all my skillz over as they are now and the drop the skillz iv skilled into that are not in the game, meaning a loose sp. IE all mercs transferring over to legion should have all sp from dust un-allocated and ready spend This just isn't going to happen, I'm sorry. So many of Dust's problem are intrinsically linked to the progression system, CCP will be making serious changes in this area I guarantee you, unless they want Legion to fail in the same way Dust did. Whatever the final design of their equivalent of a skill system, the likelihood you can just transfer in as a premade BitterVet is essentially zero.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1686	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:50:00 - [122] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Aside from leaving PS3 players in the proverbial dust, you have my full support for Legion, what little that amounts to. I've been so disheartened by the feeling that this game not only wasn't going anywhere quick, but COULDN'T. You really revived that sense of excitement I once had for DUST by announcing Legion, even though I WAS pretty pissed at how it all went down. My only question right now for Legion is this: Will my Prometheus come back to me? What crack are you smoking? A game 3 years older than dust supported 128 players with larger maps, tress, and better framerates. What good is more power when you can't even accomplish what others before you have? PS3 wan't holding Dust back, cheap chinese labor was. Well said i agree. seconded eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 429	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:51:00 - [123] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days. As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process. Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now. I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again) I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first. Well then, I would hope gamers' "investments" are held for a few years after Legion releases. They shouldnt be expected to follow CCP's tail until the game is finally out "Shine bright like a diamond"
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1686	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:52:00 - [124] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: SirManBoy wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. I resemble that remark... Did you perhaps mean resent? a newb in english as well i see. Clearly one of us is a moron...and maybe even a 12 year-old. I'll leave it to you and Google to decide which. i'm thinking he's not privy to your ironicals. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1686	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:54:00 - [125] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first. I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations. I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release. i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Hecarim Van Hohen 1338	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:56:00 - [126] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: While I do agree with the general topic of this thread I'm forced to state once more that CCP Saberwing skips leg day and the proof is here (CCP Saberwing on the left, skipping leg day) State your stance on EVE:Legion t¢«_t¢«
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 429	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:56:00 - [127] - Quote Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: [quote=xxwhitedevilxx M] Not quite true. While PS4 is a PC architecture, that only refers to the hardware, not the SDK and infrastructure. It's still a whole lot different to making games on the PC. Its very simple and possibly has little to do with the PS4 They dont want to be beholden to Sony ie having to jump through QA hoops and do proper management for delivery of content. On PC they can release and update whenever they like. "Shine bright like a diamond"
mollerz 3446	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:56:00 - [128] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. I'm glad you are acknowledging our "investment". An investment of time and money in the vision CCP sold us over the last two years. Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2709	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:56:00 - [129] - Quote low genius wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first. I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations. I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release. i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion. So, I suppose you already know how to stop wall hacks and aimbots in such a competitive game like "Legion" that would even affect another game, right? just asking, because, you know, ps4 is ironclad... Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
mollerz 3446	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:58:00 - [130] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now. What about OSX? Eve has an OSX client that is pretty awesome. You guys seem comfortable with that. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla

Kincate DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:58:00 - [131] - Quote low genius wrote: i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion. I disagree. Your idea that the majority would not support the game is based off of the fact you yourself will not support the game.
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 143	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:00:00 - [132] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Ducttape Tinker wrote: And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?! I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY this is enough, im just..i must go, this is ridiclous. Markdown
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5305	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:02:00 - [133] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: SirManBoy wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. Why are you guys leaning towards a skill progression system in Legion that devalues experience and skill investment? Why flatten progression in favor of catering towards newbies?... Don't be like every other FPS that caters to freaks with otherwordly twitch reflexes. I resemble that remark... Did you perhaps mean resent? a newb in english as well i see. Fixed the post you quoted so you can see why you're the "newb" (haven't seen that spelling in a LOOONG time)
Hecarim Van Hohen 1338	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:03:00 - [134] - Quote low genius wrote: i'm doubtful you'll get much support for legion. My thread is showing opposite but to be fair some people quit or biomassed that will not be tracked alongside those who never visit the forums State your stance on EVE:Legion t¢«_t¢«
Isaa Quade Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 405	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:04:00 - [135] - Quote Why did you not think of all the obvious questions we would have until after we asked them? Why did you name all the legion presentations "dust"? That ties into why you waited so long to announce this "project". (?) and why in gods name was the keynote 20 minutes long? Sorry for grammer, I'm on my phone right now. My reaction to Legion

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4042	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:06:00 - [136] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: That's a yes. I mean, all these events, all these Aurum sales, pretty shady ****. If you think its not, well, then all respect is gone Saber (there isn't really any left, but, in a figurative way). It's not really. They're 2 separate things...asking where we fund the development of Legion is different than asking if there's a relationship between the promotions and the reveal of Legion. While I can't answer your first question, I can assure you that there is no correlation between sales promotions and revealing Legion - as I said in my previous post, we're going to do our best to transfer everything across. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Csikszent Mihalyi Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 257	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:06:00 - [137] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: Not quite true. While PS4 is a PC architecture, that only refers to the hardware, not the SDK and infrastructure. It's still a whole lot different to making games on the PC. No it's simply not. Google it. Well I haven't worked with Playstation before but as a game developer this is of course a subject I'm interested in. So I'm afraid that "google it" is not really helping me to see your point. Are you saying that the SDK is identical to what you get on the PC? It isn't. Unreal Engine abstracts most of that, but not everything CCP does with their games is covered by Unreal. Or are you saying that the infrastructure is identical? It may be a more open platform than the PS3, but that doesn't mean it's as anything-goes as the PC is. You still have to deal with a lot of restrictions. Another thing that needs to be considered is that with the PS4 you are limited to one set of specifications. If you ever reach its limits, that's it. No more expansion, or you have to wait until the next console generation. From that perspective it's a lot more reasonable to build the game first and then see how it matches up with the PS4 capabilities, rather than make that discovery when it's already too late to change (as happened with DUST).

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4042	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:08:00 - [138] - Quote mollerz wrote: What about OSX? Eve has an OSX client that is pretty awesome. You guys seem comfortable with that. I spoke to the guys about this in Shanghai. I know a PC client is the current priority (I haven't seen any mention of Mac development yet!) CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1594	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:09:00 - [139] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: It's not really. They're 2 separate things...asking where we fund the development of Legion is different than asking if there's a relationship between the promotions and the reveal of Legion. While I can't answer your first question, I can assure you that there is no correlation between sales promotions and revealing Legion - as I said in my previous post, we're going to do our best to transfer everything across. Would you mind if I asked, what was the intent behind the event during FanFest weekend? Did the team working on the event not know about the announcement? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4044	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:11:00 - [140] - Quote mollerz wrote: Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base. I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


Poultryge1st Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 68	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:13:00 - [141] - Quote Thanks for answering our questions logibro and and saberwing.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 7365	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:13:00 - [142] - Quote Nice to see some responses from the devs. I have a question; IF you ever do plan on releasing Legion for the PS4, will DUST players still be able to transfer the same things that players migrating from DUST to Eve on the PC will be? (I apologize if the wording here is confusing .-.) "We're not good at keeping secrets at CCP" -CCP Rouge
Citpaan Hacos Hired Bums 53	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:15:00 - [143] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. You did not answer the question you quoted. You answered a question that is on everyone's lips, and leads out of of the question you quoted But you did. not. answer. the. question. quoted. Also between this CCP Saberwing wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: we will hear about solid concrete plans and development going forward? This, can confirm. Very little in the way of plans, and certainly nothing that can be described as concrete. Between this the WoD thing, Saberwing buddy, you have little to no credibility with the playerbase. Best leave the posting to Logibro for now.
Bat Cow Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:18:00 - [144] - Quote Why aren't we receiving any updates on what is happening/will happen to Dust in the next year or so? I highly doubt CCP would really announce an idea for a game (Legion) without having a game plan for their current product. Since we're hearing nothing on this front it only reinforces the perception that Dust is being left to languish. At this point I'm assuming that maybe nothing is being said about the future of Dust because to do so would tip CCP's hand that staffing changes are on the horizon.* *- Not trying to be inflammatory or anything- just all the talk is about a speculative product and nothing about Dust Moo.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2710	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:21:00 - [145] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Then, we all need a PC to protect our investments? In other words, we have to spend more money buying a PC in order to spend more money on your game? E io pago! May you answer this? Why are you moving on another platform instead of ps4 if your player base is on ps3? Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 545	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:23:00 - [146] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future. Dont worry you guys may get to play against the guys and girls in this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2127481#post2127481 not including me im stull unsure
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5307	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:25:00 - [147] - Quote Citpaan Hacos wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. You did not answer the question you quoted. You answered a question that is on everyone's lips, and leads out of of the question you quoted But you did. not. answer. the. question. quoted. That's what I said too.
MR-NASTY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 244	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:26:00 - [148] - Quote Since this conversation is not about dust its about legion The locker room is <--------------------------------------- that way Can we please get somE news on DUST! A six month plan?
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 779	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:29:00 - [149] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. Whaaa? Just convert all skills to SP, and then move them over. Convert all base unused assets to AUR and ISK Then attach token IDs to that list based off of the BPO ID's It could be automated relatively quickly: PlayerName TransferID:234125312645743 (for proving character ownership if needed) Aur Total: blah Isk Total: Blah SP Total: Blahblahdablah BPO-ID: 234, 156, 626, 29, 3, 46 etc Then have it automate through all users and have a list that is in text format and fully capable of being read back from the other side. DONE. Once it gets over to the other side, you can scale the SP and ISK to fit the new location, but you must include public documentation of how and why you are doing so. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1386	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:29:00 - [150] - Quote Will there ever be an acknowledgement that the way this information was presented was at best unfair to the players? Some kind of apology for not letting us know sooner, and for waiting until the worst possible moment to inform us?



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