DUST Search - CCP, the silence is doing harm.

Spademan wrote:

CCP Logibro wrote:

We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days.

As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process.

Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now.

I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again)


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CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7009	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:29:00 - [1] - Quote I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4038	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:12:00 - [2] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? I've tried to make this super clear - we will do whatever we can to transfer over your investment in DUST. That means names, skills, items, etc - where possible. The only reason I say where possible is because progression, skills and items are being looked at and there's no guarantee that they will be in Legion. In that case, we would do our best to find some other way of protecting that investment. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7015	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:14:00 - [3] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I'm settling in for a long night on the forums. Talk to me. @ LogiBro... I guess the first thing is do you guys understand why so many folksy felt they were dumped on they way all this came about? There are some legitimately great things in the information CCP was putting out but how it was done was a horrendous way to deal with loyal paying customers (some of which flew to ICELAND to celebrate your product). As for a technical question... what drove the choice of PC vs PS4 for the chosen next gen version of Dust / Legion? We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days. As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process. Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7023	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:29:00 - [4] - Quote Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: We understand, and we always expected many players to be upset and even angry with what we said, primarily dedicated console players. I will admit that there have been issues in messaging, and we're going to be clearing up as many facts and answering as many questions as we can over the next few days. As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process. Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now. I just want to say, this is a decision that must be made soon. People can't be strung along this time. And if you do go for the Ps4, it must have a final release no more than a week after the PC. Otherwise the people that left likely won't come back. (I know they're a relatively small number, but they were loyal, and may be again) I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4039	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:40:00 - [5] - Quote Ducttape Tinker wrote: And that question is DID CCP USED COMMUNITY MONEY and OUR IDEAS ON DUST2.0 aka LEGION?! I understand where your concern is coming from here, but this is a question that we cannot answer in any form. CCP Does not disclose it's financials. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7025	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:40:00 - [6] - Quote Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I can already say that PS4 will not be an option parallel to Legion on PC before release. We'll only look at that door after we're comfortable on PC, as we want to get the game itself in a healthy state first. I was afraid to hear that. Would release be the earliest the game could be considered "healthy"? Or would it be possible for it to be healthy in beta and then the Ps4 "door" would be looked at? The smaller the gap the easier, though I understand there would be limitations. I'm doubtful that we would be comfortable looking at the console door again before release. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4042	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:06:00 - [7] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: That's a yes. I mean, all these events, all these Aurum sales, pretty shady ****. If you think its not, well, then all respect is gone Saber (there isn't really any left, but, in a figurative way). It's not really. They're 2 separate things...asking where we fund the development of Legion is different than asking if there's a relationship between the promotions and the reveal of Legion. While I can't answer your first question, I can assure you that there is no correlation between sales promotions and revealing Legion - as I said in my previous post, we're going to do our best to transfer everything across. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4042	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:08:00 - [8] - Quote mollerz wrote: What about OSX? Eve has an OSX client that is pretty awesome. You guys seem comfortable with that. I spoke to the guys about this in Shanghai. I know a PC client is the current priority (I haven't seen any mention of Mac development yet!) CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4044	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:11:00 - [9] - Quote mollerz wrote: Even if you provide a 100% transfer an/or equivalent, realize a lot of us aren't about to buy a PC. We'll just know our toons are in cold storage until you guys get around to looking at the PS4 (or in my case OSX could work as well). Maybe one day we'll get to use them and that could be enough. even though you are effectively shutting out a chunk of your player base. I know and understand your frustration here...and I honestly do sympathize. I was always aware that this was going to be difficult for my dedicated console playing friends, and all that I can say is that I hope we get the chance to play against eachother in the near future. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7028	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:33:00 - [10] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Will there ever be an acknowledgement that the way this information was presented was at best unfair to the players? Some kind of apology for not letting us know sooner, and for waiting until the worst possible moment to inform us? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132553#post2132553 CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)



CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4048	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:41:00 - [11] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Whaaa? Just convert all skills to SP, and then move them over. That would be a good way to do it, as long as SP is maintained at a 1:1 ratio (or some equivalent, I'm not a game designer :) Whatever happens, we will do what we can to make that transition transparent and fair. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7041	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:45:00 - [12] - Quote Guys, I must bow out as I have to be awake for tomorrow. I'll be back again in about 10 hours, give or take a few. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7083	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:57:00 - [13] - Quote Alright guys, I'm back again. Talk to me. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4062	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:40:00 - [14] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: @CCP Logibro Can you please ask the teams to integrate controller support for Legion? Specifically the configurations for the DS3/PS4 controllers so that they are the same as in Dust 514. Some people like to use the sticks. Thanks. I will certainly bring up the matter of Controller Support to the Dev team in Shanghai. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7092	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:45:00 - [15] - Quote shaman oga wrote: @CCP Logibro If CCP decides to release a PS4 version of legion, maybe 3-4 or more years after the PC version, will my account be there? Let me say again that for me it's all a money issue, i still want to play the game and continue my story in this game, but i don't have the possibility to buy a gaming PC, while i would be able to buy a PS4 because it costs less. It's definitely something we're keeping in mind and if it's at all possible it's something we'll do. It's just a little far out for me to give a concrete answer at this stage. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4069	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:46:00 - [16] - Quote George Moros wrote: If Project Legion gets an approval by Hellmar, do you have even the roughest idea of how much time will it take to get Legion to beta test phase? Any kind of roadmap you can share with the community? I will do my darn best to get you an answer to this once we know. I promise. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4159	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:06:00 - [17] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Do you have any response to this because I don't know about you, but I don't really consider blatantly lying to people trying to hype them up for no reason whatsoever for good business? I understand where you're coming from on those quotes, and it absolutely wasn't my intention to lie to people. We are still fully committed to developing those games (as mentioned several times), and furthermore DUST and Project Legion are both very much part of the EVE Universe. Again, I understand where you're coming from and it wasn't my intention to come across as "lying" to people - prior to the reveal it was difficult for me to explicitly state the distinction between the work on DUST 514 and Project Legion. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4177	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:34:00 - [18] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days. And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning. Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :) CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4179	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:51:00 - [19] - Quote Raz Sidona wrote: Saberwing, can you please do something to help console players? We are still being backstabbed and left behind by not getting a PS4 release. Push for PS4 release with PC, stop ignoring us and leaving us behind! This decision is ultimately out of my hands here, but I will pass the overall desires and concerns on. But, as I mentioned several times elsewhere - PC is the first step to next-gen. Basically, while we haven't ruled out a move to a next-gen console, PC is going to be the focus first. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian