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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5391	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:28:00 - [361] - Quote I would just like to point out that the best Q&A thread on the forums right now is one about CCP being silent. Brilliant.
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:50:00 - [362] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First off: How did the plan to ramp up AUR sales while NOT telling the playerbase about this get by without SOMEONE breaking the news to us? People are still pulling up the post where CCP Saberwing quoted this question that I asked. I'd just like to point out that the question itself was never actually answered. Changing that fact would be nice. Thanks. Wow Garett, the force of entitlement to this question is strong with you But I mean, come on how can they reply to your satisfaction? Firstly, no company will disclose their financial strategy. Secondly, however politely, you are hinting at dishonesty or worst so any reply is damming by implication. Thirdly, as I myself tried to explain in several places already: the potential benefits and reasons of using real money in an F2P game are your own personal choice and cannot be all placed at the marketing altar of " future vision". I think this guy put it very well: Serk Gallis wrote: In terms of money spent, I don't know what would be the best solution to those that feel cheated about it. Some of us are perfectly fine and understood the risk of investing in this game, treating our expenses into it as sunk costs. I'm not trying to belittle those that feel differently, only trying to say that not all of us are as emotionally distraught by the decisions made so far. CCP should obviously be a bit more tactful in their way of informing their client base. They also need to address a lot of the very valid concerns people are raising. But if you thought that DUST would be on PS3 forever, you seriously need to get your head out of the sand. So however harsh it sounds, if you have been buying a lot of AUR while DUST is essentially in a constant "state of beta" then you have been keeping your head in the sand. ( Which BTW I don't think you personally were )
Ayrie Coronach DUST University Ivy League 188	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:41:00 - [363] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: Wow Garett, the force of entitlement to this question is strong with you But I mean, come on how can they reply to your satisfaction? Firstly, no company will disclose their financial strategy. Secondly, however politely, you are hinting at dishonesty or worst so any reply is damming by implication. Thirdly, as I myself tried to explain in several places already: the potential benefits and reasons of using real money in an F2P game are your own personal choice and cannot be all placed at the marketing altar of " future vision". I think this guy put it very well: Serk Gallis wrote: In terms of money spent, I don't know what would be the best solution to those that feel cheated about it. Some of us are perfectly fine and understood the risk of investing in this game, treating our expenses into it as sunk costs. I'm not trying to belittle those that feel differently, only trying to say that not all of us are as emotionally distraught by the decisions made so far. CCP should obviously be a bit more tactful in their way of informing their client base. They also need to address a lot of the very valid concerns people are raising. But if you thought that DUST would be on PS3 forever, you seriously need to get your head out of the sand. So however harsh it sounds, if you have been buying a lot of AUR while DUST is essentially in a constant "state of beta" then you have been keeping your head in the sand. ( Which BTW I don't think you personally were ) Here's the thing. We're talking about DUST 514, which is classified as an MMO; certain expectations and standards are held by the player base of MMOs. This is not a boxed-copy/advertised-as feature-complete game, where the experience printed on the disc is the experience period, without substantial change or alteration. Halo 3 is Halo 3 is Halo 3, always and forever what that game shipped with is all it will ever have, barring minor multiplayer balance adjustments or DLC purchases made separately. Everyone buys Halo 3 and similar disc-bound/feature complete games knowing this full well. They weigh the investment of money vs the experience AS IT IS and either purchase or don't. MMOs are a different beast, in that what they are today is not what they are expected to be this same time next year. MMOs are sold on the promise of content addition and expansion. "If you don't like it today, come back in six months and see what you think then." No one would say that about Halo 3, because as I stated; Halo 3 is Halo 3 is Halo 3. What it was a year ago is exactly what it is today and no one expects any differently. For MMOs, people weigh the experience as it is PLUS DEVELOPER STATEMENTS ABOUT THE FUTURE DIRECTION AND FEATURE EXPANSION OF THE MMO into their spending calculus to determine whether an investment of money in the product is worth it. If the development direction of an MMO is to be substantially altered, or indeed HALTED, then the player base needs to be notified of this change in outlook IMMEDIATELY in order to be considered properly informed regarding their investment and purchases. Which we were decidedly NOT. Gonna quote myself from another thread to lay out an example of the right and wrong ways to manage MMOs. Ayrie Coronach wrote: If Blizzard said today "We're shuttering development as of this October, WoW at that point will be as developed as it is ever going to be. Buy items through the in-game market from this point on at your own risk and with full knowledge of this fact" they'd be fine. Right way. Ayrie Coronach wrote: If Blizzard came to this decision six months ago and didn't tell anyone until Blizzcon in November the customers would have every right to demand a refund of their monies, if Blizzard continued to advertise WoW during that time as an MMO with continual content updates and open-ended additions. ESPECIALLY if the majority of Blizzard's sales were made up of items that served no purpose but to increase the speed of progression. Progression which would be rendered pointless much sooner than anticipated, because the end of progression FOREVER would at that point be very much in sight. WRONG WAY! Had CCP informed the players about this change in direction months ago, you'd see much fewer complaints about the aurum/microtransaction situation because the people spending their money would have had the opportunity to weigh the new information into their spending calculus. CCP did NOT do this. They changed the terms of the deal without informing anyone, and allowed (even ENCOURAGED) us to keep spending money as if the status quo was the same as it ever was. That IS dishonest, and any flak CCP is recieving right now over it is well earned. CALL 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS '2' AND THEN '2' AGAIN. AURUM PURCHASES CAN BE REFUNDED WITHIN 90 DAYS!
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 230	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:54:00 - [364] - Quote Copy and pasting this: John Demonsbane wrote: From this thread. John Demonsbane wrote: Finally, to CCP: Eventually such shoddy treatment of your players is going to catch up to you. Saberwing and Logibro can do all the damage control they want, but the simple fact of the matter is, we were misled for months about progression of this game, being encouraged to buy aurum with the promises of new content and long-term progression in the same format. Now we know better. Maybe you guys really are competent programmers and the PS3 really was the only issue. I doubt it, but letGÇÖs say thatGÇÖs true. That is completely unrelated and does not excuse how you treated a very loyal group of players. Moreover, to do this, and then be faced with obvious disapproval by your customers, and say essentially nothing for 48 hours, is pathetic, and reeks of incompetence, contempt, or both. Even still, days later, the following things that, honestly, almost any well run business would have done by now to demonstrate a commitment to customers, have not happened: 1)An actual apology - Saberwings short and bland one, buried in a thread, is insufficient, and heGÇÖs not even the one who should be doing it. Rouge has said nothing even remotely contrite to date. 2)Concrete explanations of how our concerns will be addressed and why this happened. The responses to our concerns have been nebulous at best, and late GÇª I mean, why not mention right away characters would be transferred over if that was your plan? That would have cooled a lot of the rage. The fact that you didnGÇÖt makes me suspect you are backpedaling on the original plan, which is a bad one anyway, predicating all this on a game thatGÇÖs not even greenlit by the CEO! 3)Some type of good-faith offer to refund, at the very least, the last month or two of aurum sales. Changing plans and using your own intellectual property as best you see fit is one thing. But misleading customers into paying for something they are not actually getting is another. Is it a classic bait and switch? Maybe not, but I can make an argument that hyping boosters and the origin pack just days before FanFest, is very very close. No amount of backpedaling, dubious promises about Legion features and character transfer can erase that one! You do those three things, CCP, and you will restore most of our faith in you (however misplaced) and may get me back as a customer. Otherwise, IGÇÖm not interested in supporting you as a company any longer. Good day to you, sirs!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5396	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:40:00 - [365] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: Secondly, however politely, you are hinting at dishonesty or worst so any reply is damming by implication. How am I "hinting" at anything? I've outright stated in no uncertain terms that pushing those Aurum sales after making the decision to move to PC while trading on the expectation of a previously-advertised move to PS4 was false advertising. There's no "hint" about it. It was them flat-out LYING to their fanbase. My question is a direct request for more information - NOT about their financials, but about the decision-making process behind the marketing, and about why nobody realised the decision was going to offend people. It also implies another question, which is whether they plan on reimbursing customers who were decieved in this situation in any way, or whether they plan to leave things as they are and let Sony clean up their mess (because Sony HAVE been, for the most part, refunding people who are complaining about their recent purchases for DUST being the result of false - or at best deliberately misleading - advertising).
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:03:00 - [366] - Quote Ayrie Coronach wrote: For MMOs, people weigh the experience as it is PLUS DEVELOPER STATEMENTS ABOUT THE FUTURE DIRECTION AND FEATURE EXPANSION OF THE MMO into their spending calculus to determine whether an investment of money in the product is worth it. I understand that logic, and I sympathise with a feeling of betrayal. But I, and many others as it seems, make our gaming purchases using a different set of guidelines I suppose. DUST struggled from the start, more so then any MMO I have tried. We tolerated it knowing that unlike other MMOs, DUST was a long term project - a risky innovation at its core. I mean how many MMOs, that you used as your "ideal template" tried combining, two different platforms, two communities and vastly different gameplays in a single persistent universe? From that perspective CCP's promises and cavalier attitude about DUST right to the very last moment, which so many claim was so grossly misleading, I see as nothing more then a very much needed optimism in the face of adversity. Considering the risky endeavour that CCP has embarked on, transplanting templates from other MMOs is a bit naive and short sighted. Again, I am not disregarding the pain that a lot people are feeling. I am only suggesting that a more appropriate barometer of your investment should have been the actual state of the game plus the fact that PS3 isn't exactly the future of gaming... Our perceptions is what ultimately determines the subjectivity of our experiences. I do not see this project as halted, merely delayed. In a way I like CCP precicsy because a relationship with them forces me to think more responsibly and less addictivly. As a customer of CCP I have to understand their process and take some of the responsibility on my own shoulders. As oppose to most of the gaming industry, which in my solitary opinion, is spoiling their customers. By pampering them constantly and feeding their insatiable gluttony for perfection the spirit of new discovery through risk and innovation is gradually disappearing. Have you looked around on the MMO market of late? Its all clones... Developers simply don't dare to upset their precious addicts. Its bad for business... Much better to follow a safe and predictable template right?
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:25:00 - [367] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: How am I "hinting" at anything? No you are not, I was just being polite. And you are right they could at least try to say something about it. They have commented on almost every other concern... The thing is I have been in some very though spots myself, with big projects and huge disappointments all-around and its always simpler to judge looking from the outside inn... So the diplomat at heart that I am, I doing my best to help them along, defuse some tension, play devil's advocate. Plus, I admit a bit selfishly, "preach" about the distinctive psychology required for innovation in gaming.
Rami Hamilo Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 93	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:35:00 - [368] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: Copy and pasting this: John Demonsbane wrote: From this thread. John Demonsbane wrote: Finally, to CCP: Eventually such shoddy treatment of your players is going to catch up to you. Saberwing and Logibro can do all the damage control they want, but the simple fact of the matter is, we were misled for months about progression of this game, being encouraged to buy aurum with the promises of new content and long-term progression in the same format. Now we know better. Maybe you guys really are competent programmers and the PS3 really was the only issue. I doubt it, but letGÇÖs say thatGÇÖs true. That is completely unrelated and does not excuse how you treated a very loyal group of players. Moreover, to do this, and then be faced with obvious disapproval by your customers, and say essentially nothing for 48 hours, is pathetic, and reeks of incompetence, contempt, or both. Even still, days later, the following things that, honestly, almost any well run business would have done by now to demonstrate a commitment to customers, have not happened: 1)An actual apology - Saberwings short and bland one, buried in a thread, is insufficient, and heGÇÖs not even the one who should be doing it. Rouge has said nothing even remotely contrite to date. 2)Concrete explanations of how our concerns will be addressed and why this happened. The responses to our concerns have been nebulous at best, and late GÇª I mean, why not mention right away characters would be transferred over if that was your plan? That would have cooled a lot of the rage. The fact that you didnGÇÖt makes me suspect you are backpedaling on the original plan, which is a bad one anyway, predicating all this on a game thatGÇÖs not even greenlit by the CEO! 3)Some type of good-faith offer to refund, at the very least, the last month or two of aurum sales. Changing plans and using your own intellectual property as best you see fit is one thing. But misleading customers into paying for something they are not actually getting is another. Is it a classic bait and switch? Maybe not, but I can make an argument that hyping boosters and the origin pack just days before FanFest, is very very close. No amount of backpedaling, dubious promises about Legion features and character transfer can erase that one! You do those three things, CCP, and you will restore most of our faith in you (however misplaced) and may get me back as a customer. Otherwise, IGÇÖm not interested in supporting you as a company any longer. Good day to you, sirs! Wow, this hit it right on the motherfucking nail. Bravo. I say John should be CPM.
Fenix Alexarr BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 83	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:06:00 - [369] - Quote 8 year eve vet reporting in... beta Dust 514 tester After the orbital hit us as a whole at Fanfest, there were a lot of other tangos to deal with. 1) console support - my corporation is almost exclusively a console driven entity. They won't make it to PC. 2) skills transferal - We've built up countless hours worth of virtual investment. Without a full transference, many if not all players won't make it over to PC. 3) monetary investment - BPOs, boosters, inventory... I've stood with CCP as a company through some rough times. I've defended many decisions that were questionable at best. You've pulled through on most things, but even I have my doubts about this transition. For the initial port, bringing everything over 1 to 1 is vital to retaining more than a skeleton crew of players. I know it's difficult for CCP sometimes to acknowledge its mistakes, but please also look into taking steps to ensure that the player base doesn't have to get redlined for the devs to begin to listen to us. @Saberwing and @Logibro - thank you for running logi on this whole mess. You guys are class acts and I hope you and the devs listen to many of the ideas presented here for the sake of our game. I'll buy you both a beer next year @FF if we come out of this alive.
Tarty Fleth Prima Gallicus 46	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:22:00 - [370] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: As far as PS4 vs PC, we went with PC because that's what we've worked more with in the past. There are also fewer hoops to jump through when developing for PC compared to a console. I'll be honest, Sony has done amazing stuff and removed a lot of red tape for us with DUST, but it's still not a simple process. Just remember, the door isn't closed for PS4 (or beyond as may be the case). It's just a door we're not looking for right now. You know, a PS4 is much closer to a PC than a PS3 at the architecture. Many small studios put their production on PS4 very easily today. Call CCP Newcastle, they will certainly say the same thing as me, and you can share your technology with them ... (and why not Morpheus and PS move on Legion with the PS4? Let me dream ... ^ ^) And to be clear, I now expect Project Legion on PS4. There is no way to go on PC for me. Continue to develop Project Legion on PC, but just add PS4 version on your roadmap officialy...

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5412	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:32:00 - [371] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: How am I "hinting" at anything? No you are not, I was just being polite with a tiny bit of sarcasm. And you are right they could at least try to say something about it. They have commented on almost every other concern... The thing is I have been in some very though spots myself, with big projects and huge disappointments all-around and its always simpler to judge looking from the outside inn... So the diplomat at heart, I am doing my best to help them along, defuse some tension, play devil's advocate. Plus, I admit honestly: "preaching" about the distinctive psychology required for innovation in gaming is big on my own selfish agenda. I've said multiple times that I support some of the ideas behind Legion. Moving to PC or PS4 (doesn't really matter which) was a smart, and necessary, decision. Lying to us about having made that decision and pushed heavily into working on it was a terrible, horrible and offensive decision. Moving the majority of your development team AWAY from a game on PS3 while assuring players that the game isn't going to be abandoned and that you have a full team working on it, then announcing "we've actually been working on this instead for the last few months" isn't what I'd call a necessary level of optimism. Pushing for people to help you fund this new project while continuing to tell them all is well with the ongoing future of the product they're buying is definitely not the right way to face down adversity. When you're making major changes that are strongly contrary to the expectations you have INTENTIONALLY set for your playerbase, you NEED to be communicating those changes IMMEDIATELY. All it would have taken was an announcement WHEN THE PROJECT STARTED that they were shifting the majority of their focus to building a PC version of DUST. Not Legion, we didn't need a name. Not a new game, we didn't even need to know it was going to be a ground-up rebuild. We needed to know the focus was changing from PS3 with future PS4 support to REDUCED (and it should have been reduced and not completely canceled) development of new content for the PS3 version while a PC client is being created. At Fanfest, they could announce "it's called Legion, and it's a ground-up rebuild, and it's getting this, that and the other which we always promised but could never deliver for the PS3 version of DUST. Also, in the current build, we're going to be working on those few things left which we CAN get to run on the PS3. They'll be coming a bit slower than some of our recent updates, because we're pretty busy on this new project where we move to the new platform". Done. PS3 players not abandoned, and most of us not left feeling abandoned. People who have now already made the move to PS4 might not have done so yet, saving up for a gaming PC instead, while others might have moved on to greener pastures with only minor grumbles instead of leaving rage-filled and providing a lot of negative press in the FPS community. If the Legion build for DUST did get a PS4 build down the line, those people WOULD have been saying "cool, I can go back to my old game I loved" instead of encouraging their friends NOT to go because of the betrayal CCP has hit us with here. When people have to go through the processes to get a refund of potentially hundreds of dollars spent over several months because they were lied to, they don't usually let go of that effort very easily. Moving forward, CCP can still rectify this to some degree. I don't know if they can entirely negate how bad things got, but they can still make up for the worst of it.
Justice Darling King Brothers 63	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:46:00 - [372] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days. And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning. Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :) Any change of the live stream getting a IRC channel? So we can ask our question directly to the participants of the live stream?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1808	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:49:00 - [373] - Quote Rami Hamilo wrote: AP Grasshopper wrote: Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514? Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing. Dust and Legion are not the same game. They've stated it themselves. They are separate games on separate platforms. Dust 514 might not even get any more integration to EVE now. Also, from the sounds of it, Legion won't have EVE integration for at least a year. a year is VERY optimistic. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1808	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:52:00 - [374] - Quote Winsaucerer wrote: Winsaucerer wrote: Also, I am guessing you are using Unreal 4 Turns out they're using their modified Unreal 3 engine. lolol eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1808	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:54:00 - [375] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I would just like to point out that the best Q&A thread on the forums right now is one about CCP being silent. Brilliant. they're answering planted questions. questions that directly ask something that they've already answered. they answer those. "so, now that legion is out of the bag, can we expect more information forthcoming?" that one gets answered. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1808	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:59:00 - [376] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days. And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning. Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :) Any change of the live stream getting a IRC channel? So we can ask our question directly to the participants of the live stream? could the devs also stop having conversations where they're not obligated to be honest, or responsible for anything they say? eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 61	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:21:00 - [377] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I've said multiple times that I support some of the ideas behind Legion. I believe you Garrett. I really do. I am simply pointing out that the disagreement is no longer about the merits of the transition but rather about the less tangible aspects of this upheaval: subjective and very individual emotions. Even in the ideal scenario you have described above I guarantee that the feeling of betrayal would have been equally present - Because the undeniable truth is that trying to develop such an ambitious project on a PS3 was their first and most important mistake. Granted, as I pointed out in another place, if they proposed the new changes "with a scalpel instead of the chainsaw" it would have been a less bloody affair. But amputation is still an amputation, and the patient lives. In other words, if you take the bare facts as presented by CCP so far they differ from your much more pleasant scenario only in terms of external packaging. Of course packaging is still important because if you do not handle with care people get upset and leave. The problem is that gamer communities are subject to a lot of the same behavioural patterns like an out of control mob, where riots are inevitable, sparked always before all the facts are in, and driven by a misguided or misplaced sense of fair-play. This is my scenario: John Demonsbane wrote: From this thread. Maybe you guys really are competent programmers and the PS3 really was the only issue. I doubt it, but letGÇÖs say thatGÇÖs true. That is completely unrelated and does not excuse how you treated a very loyal group of players. I see a lot of loyalty pledges flying around left and right, how as good and loyal customers we kept supporting this game despite its flaws. - It would be great if things were so black and white. But in real life they rarely are. If you knew that the game had flaws then your loyalty was given with the full awareness of the risk - No? For some it seems this loyalty was very conditional and hinging on a monetary value: I give you my money and you are required to save-guard my investment like a bank; e.i. promptly inform me when the gamble doesn't pay off. A bit naive approach, but misplaced loyalty is often based good faith I suppose. Others like me offered their loyalty with a less expectant attitude and with a better understanding of risk, some of which they gladly took on their own shoulders. After all, if we turn this around and and assume that CCP did its darndest to create this game, aren't they entailed to some reward as well, and just for their efforts? Do you think they didn't loose money on this? Doesn't loyalty and partnership imply a responsible sharing of risk? Or are we just talking about the kind of loyalty that is for sale? I mean the kind off predictable mock loyalty that most gaming industry practices... So for me the bottom line is this: If you want to stick with CCP which is indeed a very unusual bunch of DEVs you have to deal with the fact that the PR packaging will not always be to your liking. Try to look past it and see that the facts are still the same: They reached their limits with PS3, transit to a new platform is unavoidable, casualties (players who's loyalty has been spent) are regretful but part of the process. There is a good reason why most older EVE players call themselves Bitter-Vets - Those are the guys who survived that process
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 446	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:26:00 - [378] - Quote low genius wrote: Rami Hamilo wrote: AP Grasshopper wrote: Is there content being worked on for dust 514 at the moment? The only thing being talked about is project legion. While we are in general discussions and the two are pretty much the same game, this isn't the project legion forums. What is being worked on for dust 514? Were still missing 3 nova knives, 2 HAV's, 2 LAV's as well as MAV's and motorcycles. Not to mention the other heavy weapons and much needed balancing. Dust and Legion are not the same game. They've stated it themselves. They are separate games on separate platforms. Dust 514 might not even get any more integration to EVE now. Also, from the sounds of it, Legion won't have EVE integration for at least a year. a year is VERY optimistic. But once Legion gets EVE connection thats it for Dust. Though it doesnt really matter as the only real connection we have is EVE dropping orbitals which hardly happen now anyway. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5420	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:53:00 - [379] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: Even in the ideal scenario you have described above I guarantee that the feeling of betrayal would have been equally present I can agree with "would have been present", but CERTAINLY NOT with "would have been EQUALLY present" - there are a LOT of people who would have accepted - disliked, but accepted - the move to PC, and many more who are currently VERY upset, but if handled correctly, would have been equally EXCITED instead. Personally, I was actually HOPING for an announcement that DUST would move to PC in addition to the previously-announced plans to move to PS4. That was the "big news" I WANTED to hear. What we got, in spite of including something I was hoping for, was definitely NOT what I wanted to hear, because it was lies stacked upon deceptions all wrapped up in lies of omission. Quote: If you knew that the game had flaws then your loyalty was given with the full awareness of the risk - No? So is that what you're telling a person who signed up for the game 2 weeks ago, encouraged by the still-fresh "laser focused on PS3" announcement, and E3's promises of DUST on PS4? Was their decision to help fund the game made with "full awareness of the risk? What about the guy who knew CCP had directly stated that development is continuing on DUST mere WEEKS ago? Was he "fully aware of the risk" when he decided to buy more Aurum right before Fanfest? NO. NO WE WERE NOT "FULLY AWARE OF THE RISK" AT THAT STAGE. Sure, my merc pack way back in beta was bought with full awareness of the risk. My investments of time and money since then have also been made with that same awareness. I've been fortunate enough NOT to have spent money recently enough to be caught up in this disaster as a casualty. That doesn't negate that fact that WE WERE NOT MADE AWARE OF THINGS WE HAD A RIGHT TO KNOW. When you're buying a car, and told it has only 1,000km on the clock, you don't expect to hand over your money then see 300,000 when you get in the car to drive off. When you get told a computer is top of the line and the best you can get, then find out it's obsolete before you get it home, either you crashed on the way home and just woke up from a coma, or you were lied to. And I'm pretty sure I haven't spent 9 years in a coma while DUST has been "constantly evolving" back into the same Uprising build I was playing before the accident.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2536	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:01:00 - [380] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Can we expect more information from you guys, now that Project Legion is out of the bag? I mean in general. during the last months you were extremely quiet while Eve Online got a devblog every 2 days. And besides that I guess that Dust will stay around for a while for FW, which won't be, if I got that correctly, be implemented in Project Legion from the beginning. Yes, that is absolutely the plan. While I can't promise it'll be to the same level as the guys on EVE (they're a much bigger team, working on a game that has already launched...) I'll be doing my best to get more community interaction going. Livestreams, behind the scenes videos, AMAs, etc :) Wait? WHAT?! EvE LAUNCHED? I was told it's much like Dust - Infinite beta. Which is the truth? I don't like CCP telling me two different lies. Because a year ago your last PR guy was telling me how BETA EvE is and how it's just like Dust. 180 flip here, wonder why...... eve was launched once all racial gear was finished and there were no gaps. There was a player market, fully fkeshed out skill system and everything was finished. Everything else has been bells and whistles, p Old bitter eve online vets like me are the ones that have been angry at CCP for doing a bang up job with Dust. Dust is still unfinished, eve online was not an endless beta, it was a finished product, I should know, I was there, eve is real.

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1816	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:58:00 - [381] - Quote when are you going to start answering some of the questions in this thread? eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 472	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:08:00 - [382] - Quote low genius wrote: when are you going to start answering some of the questions in this thread? When they're done bowing to the porcelain throne and ready to be men. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 657	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:25:00 - [383] - Quote I think it's completely died down in here now. Looks like the majority of people are now gone.
Rami Hamilo Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 96	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:07:00 - [384] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: I think it's completely died down in here now. Looks like the majority of people are now gone. Of course almost everyone has left Dust now. Faction Warfare is a joke. There's no one really good anymore aside from the odd queue sync now. I'm surprised that Sony said they aren't going to be dropping Dust 514 from their service. If they don't now, they will soon with the rate at which people are leaving. Also, CCP will never give us a straight answer on anything Dust related. They are afraid they may say something wrong and make a bad situation even worse than they are by just ignoring it. Wait... Maybe those worse situations are pretty much the same... Huh. Fancy that.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1818	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:16:00 - [385] - Quote Rami Hamilo wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: I think it's completely died down in here now. Looks like the majority of people are now gone. Of course almost everyone has left Dust now. Faction Warfare is a joke. There's no one really good anymore aside from the odd queue sync now. I'm surprised that Sony said they aren't going to be dropping Dust 514 from their service. If they don't now, they will soon with the rate at which people are leaving. Also, CCP will never give us a straight answer on anything Dust related. They are afraid they may say something wrong and make a bad situation even worse than they are by just ignoring it. Wait... Maybe those worse situations are pretty much the same... Huh. Fancy that. http://www.reddit.com/r/evelegion maybe they're waiting for the poll results to decide. the project does not have a green light. vote for reason. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Vance Alken Commando Perkone Caldari State 157	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:00:00 - [386] - Quote low genius wrote: Rami Hamilo wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: I think it's completely died down in here now. Looks like the majority of people are now gone. Of course almost everyone has left Dust now. Faction Warfare is a joke. There's no one really good anymore aside from the odd queue sync now. I'm surprised that Sony said they aren't going to be dropping Dust 514 from their service. If they don't now, they will soon with the rate at which people are leaving. Also, CCP will never give us a straight answer on anything Dust related. They are afraid they may say something wrong and make a bad situation even worse than they are by just ignoring it. Wait... Maybe those worse situations are pretty much the same... Huh. Fancy that. http://www.reddit.com/r/evelegion maybe they're waiting for the poll results to decide. the project does not have a green light. vote for reason. TY for the link, now I'm able to help give Legion the green light.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1825	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:43:00 - [387] - Quote Vance Alken wrote: low genius wrote: Rami Hamilo wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: I think it's completely died down in here now. Looks like the majority of people are now gone. Of course almost everyone has left Dust now. Faction Warfare is a joke. There's no one really good anymore aside from the odd queue sync now. I'm surprised that Sony said they aren't going to be dropping Dust 514 from their service. If they don't now, they will soon with the rate at which people are leaving. Also, CCP will never give us a straight answer on anything Dust related. They are afraid they may say something wrong and make a bad situation even worse than they are by just ignoring it. Wait... Maybe those worse situations are pretty much the same... Huh. Fancy that. http://www.reddit.com/r/evelegion maybe they're waiting for the poll results to decide. the project does not have a green light. vote for reason. TY for the link, now I'm able to help give Legion the green light. that's why it's there. jagoff. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 34	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:24:00 - [388] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: but rather about the less tangible aspects of this upheaval: subjective and very individual emotional reactions to it. What? Those don't count anymore? Did we all agree to abandon all social niceties when we connected ourselves to the internet? I didn't. If others have I don't see how that should limit my rights as a customer. We have unwritten rules in life. You go through your day, and you try to act like a real human, you usually say please and thank you to people and in many social contexts, you are required to do so. Why are you required to do these things? Because the repercussions for not observing these rules, while subjective, could have a detrimental effect on the ease of living/working with these individuals. Examples: You can't ** off your co-workers; You can't tell your boss what you really think of him; You can't ** off half of your customers by being disrespectful to them. As far as you are concerned we are all trolls and crybabies so it's ok for a company like CCP to treat us as such? No. They will treat us like the paying customers we are or they will lose reputation with every person they expect to sell this game to.
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:58:00 - [389] - Quote Legion is a lie. Dust will end and there will be nothing to follow it so stop lying already CCP. i am sure someone a lot smarter than me will find a way to sue CCP and or Sony for false advertisement and whatever else they can conjure up. Pretty soon we will see a petition for a lawsuit or protest of CCP and or Sony. The question is, who will sign it? CCP is no different than our politicians. Promise much and deliver nothing. Take our money than lie about where it is going. Unfortunately, I am the dummy here that got duped for a product that was promised much much more. Lesson learned I hope. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 245	Posted - 2014.05.07 05:00:00 - [390] - Quote As a playerbase we should DEMAND concrete assertions that our 6 months, 12 months, 18 months of Dust 514 WILL BE DIRECTLY TRANSFERED into two years worth of progress there. Not unsure language, not "would like" or "hope" or "looking into." No, a "we will transfer the equivalent of 18 months of progression" and "we are going to give people perminant in-game items as recompense for BPOs" and even "you will keep your isk at an equivalent PURCHASING POWER" Those are the types of words I want to hear. Stop talking like a bunch of lawyers and give me CONCRETE statements. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!



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