depends on the precision of each scan I presume

quick question scouts.

Is 'neo' scout mk.0 (got lvl 3 in minmatar scouts) a better hacker than a scout gk.0 ?

in other news:
knifing seems to be easier in pubs in 1.10 O_o

I've had mixed results. Noobs will be noobs, but the more experienced marks seem to be making use of their inner TacNet ring. I've been insta-spinned-backpedal-gibbed on quite a few occasions by "unaware" 1000HP Assaults.

quick question scouts.

Is 'neo' scout mk.0 (got lvl 3 in minmatar scouts) a better hacker than a scout gk.0 ?
I'm talking about filling all lows with complex hacking modules

@ CCP Rattati

Might we ask that you follow through with increased HP penalties for Scouts to forever rid us of Assault Lite?

The sooner we migrate what remains of Assault Lite, the sooner our class statistics will represent our actual class performance, and the sooner we'll see changes in Scout/Heavy PC meta. Additionally, areas of the class could use tuning, but in some cases we can't propose tuneups in good conscience until Assault Lite is eliminated from the equation. For example, we can't propose meaningful improvements to cloak (or cloak variants) while 800+ HP Scouts are running around with Shotguns and Breach ARs.

I don't think that the old anti-assault-lite plan (efficacy-based bonuses) is a good idea at this time. Passive Scans have been devalued, and rolling out EWAR efficacy bonuses which force AM/CA Scouts into range extenders would add insult to their injury. Role redesignation from passive recon to something else is likely the better idea for these units, but in talking "something else" for AM/CA Scouts, it'd be nice if we could rule out potential perk abuse by AM/CA Assault Lite.

Thank you for your consideration. o7

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@ OG Scouts

Are you guys in agreement here? If I'm off target, please let me know. Here are some tuneups I have in mind but can't request on account of Assault Lite:

* Improve cloak active damp bonus; decrease cloak shimmer
* Redesignate roles and racial perks for AM / CA Scout
* Widen speed gap on account of MN Assault (class-wide speed buff)

I realize that low HP will leave us at disadvantage, but I believe that the disadvantage will be short term. When our performance slumps, we'll be in better position to request sharper tools and sneakier shenanigans.

As Vitantur already said, yes.

Bear in mind, coz I can't tell from how you worded your question whether you realise, that *any* minmatar scout suit will benefit fully from the min scout dropsuit skill. So your +15% hack speed bonus from L3 minscout skill will apply to all min scout suits. Not just the Neo.

I'd like to see scouts given more of a reason or specialty really.

One idea could be let us upload firewalls to hacked points and installations that slows down people trying to counterhack it.

I've seen some ideas awhile ago for scout only deployable equipment that looked like it could be interesting.

Right now the only things you can really do in game is kill, hack, use tools like reps, and deploy equipment. Give us something scout unique.

Truth be told I'd be willing to let them drop our health to 1 shield and 1 armour if we got Mirrors Edge movement.

Of course it's not much of a drop for my 213HP scout.

Got three kincats on my Minja, don't ask me how, I'm loving it.

This is your Minja: Sup I'm gonna stab you. o7

This is your Minja stacking kincats: WAZUP BOY I TOOK OUT YOUR ENTIRE SQUAD HEY LOOK HEAVY GET FLANKED HEVIEZ MINJA RULES **** THOSE AMARR MAN WANKERS HEY LOOK A HACKER BOOOOM NOW YOU DEAD HOW YOU LIKE MY RE MOFO HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

@ CCP Rattati

Might we ask that you follow through with increased HP penalties for Scouts to forever rid us of Assault Lite?

The sooner we migrate what remains of Assault Lite, the sooner our class statistics will represent our actual class performance, and the sooner we'll see changes in Scout/Heavy PC meta. Additionally, areas of the class could use tuning, but in some cases we can't propose tuneups in good conscience until Assault Lite is eliminated from the equation. For example, we can't propose meaningful improvements to cloak (or cloak variants) while 800+ HP Scouts are running around with Shotguns and Breach ARs.

I don't think that the old anti-assault-lite plan (efficacy-based bonuses) is a good idea at this time. Passive Scans have been devalued, and rolling out EWAR efficacy bonuses which force AM/CA Scouts into range extenders would add insult to their injury. Role redesignation from passive recon to something else is likely the better idea for these units, but in talking "something else" for AM/CA Scouts, it'd be nice if we could rule out potential perk abuse by AM/CA Assault Lite.

Thank you for your consideration. o7

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@ OG Scouts

Are you guys in agreement here? If I'm off target, please let me know. Here are some tuneups I have in mind but can't request on account of Assault Lite:

* Improve cloak active damp bonus; decrease cloak shimmer
* Redesignate roles and racial perks for AM / CA Scout
* Widen speed gap on account of MN Assault (class-wide speed buff)

I realize that low HP will leave us at disadvantage, but I believe that the disadvantage will be short term. When our performance slumps, we'll be in better position to request sharper tools and sneakier shenanigans.

Got three kincats on my Minja, don't ask me how, I'm loving it.

This is your Minja: Sup I'm gonna stab you. o7

This is your Minja stacking kincats: WAZUP BOY I TOOK OUT YOUR ENTIRE SQUAD HEY LOOK HEAVY GET FLANKED HEVIEZ MINJA RULES **** THOSE AMARR MAN WANKERS HEY LOOK A HACKER BOOOOM NOW YOU DEAD HOW YOU LIKE MY RE MOFO HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

@ OG Scouts

Are you guys in agreement here? If I'm off target, please let me know. Here are some tuneups I have in mind but can't request on account of Assault Lite:

* Improve cloak active damp bonus; decrease cloak shimmer
* Redesignate roles and racial perks for AM / CA Scout
* Widen speed gap on account of MN Assault (class-wide speed buff)

I realize that low HP will leave us at disadvantage, but I believe that the disadvantage will be short term. When our performance slumps, we'll be in better position to request sharper tools and sneakier shenanigans.

I just realized: The solution to the cloak swap delay is stacking myofibril stimulators! Punchpunchpunchpunch

You may be onto something...

You're right IMO, but I do think we need to agree on what kind of HP levels we're happy with and work from there.
I draw the line at around 500 total HP. I know that's a lot to some who run no HP mods, but it has been argued pretty well that there are some scenarios where you're going to take spray and pray damage. Or in the case of my long range flanking bastardy, return fire due to RR becoming a joke. The lower HP forces scouts into SG or NK and pretty much nothing else.
And I'm not suggessting we "should" have 500 or so hp, just that that is where it hits a hard roof and is the nearest to "light assault" you can get (also assuming this is a Proto fit).

I've suggested before a kind of mod slot over haul, that puts a hard cap on HP for the different suits, short of some system like that I don't know how we'll do it without breaking the suit though.

Can we maybe implement a system where a certain number of a suits slots (of both highs and lows) are "yellow" and can be filled with HP mods but the remaining white ones have to be something else. Trying to put HP mods in those gives a "Limit Exceeded" error. Or give HP mods the diminishing returns of other mods.

So +50% penalty for stacking? So movement penalty would go: 5%->15%->22.5%->30% (As opposed to current 5,10,15,20)
Not sure really, might be a fix, may also really hit the tanked wiggle wagglers hard.

Over all I'd like to see the stacking penalty apply to HP mods. People don't diversify if they don't have to.
It'll force everyone, sentinels, assaults, scouts etc to give serious thought to making use of something other than HP mods (energizers, reps etc). Though it would have the impact of making everyone dual tank.

Though as a Gal scout I'm forced to dual tank so it's not like I'm biased or anything.

Hopefully this would have the impact of normalising build HP somewhat but diversifying their style. So one Gal Assault might go hard on Reps, the other might Dampen. Basically we need to either make the alternative mods attractive or HP less attractive.
The problem is, giving a major buff to Regs, Reps, energizers might get to the point of absurdity. Amarr Sentinels repping through your CR damage. Caldari Sentinels taking 2 seconds to go from 0-700 shields.
So the nerf really needs to hit the HP mods, then the others just look good by comparison. But somebody putting a single HP mod isn't really the problem.

It's this guy that's the problem.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1261/9081
(That's an extreme example I know)

TTK is creeping up a little too high in my opinion. Having situational awareness and getting the jump on somebody at best is a 50/50 chance of success. And this is true even of assaults.

@ CCP Rattati

Might we ask that you follow through with increased HP penalties for Scouts to forever rid us of Assault Lite?

The sooner we migrate what remains of Assault Lite, the sooner our class statistics will represent our actual class performance, and the sooner we'll see changes in Scout/Heavy PC meta. Additionally, areas of the class could use tuning, but in some cases we can't propose tuneups in good conscience until Assault Lite is eliminated from the equation. For example, we can't propose meaningful improvements to cloak (or cloak variants) while 800+ HP Scouts are running around with Shotguns and Breach ARs.

I don't think that the old anti-assault-lite plan (efficacy-based bonuses) is a good idea at this time. Passive Scans have been devalued, and rolling out EWAR efficacy bonuses which force AM/CA Scouts into range extenders would add insult to their injury. Role redesignation from passive recon to something else is likely the better idea for these units, but in talking "something else" for AM/CA Scouts, it'd be nice if we could rule out potential perk abuse by AM/CA Assault Lite.

Thank you for your consideration. o7

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@ OG Scouts

Are you guys in agreement here? If I'm off target, please let me know. Here are some tuneups I have in mind but can't request on account of Assault Lite:

* Improve cloak active damp bonus; decrease cloak shimmer
* Redesignate roles and racial perks for AM / CA Scout
* Widen speed gap on account of MN Assault (class-wide speed buff)

I realize that low HP will leave us at disadvantage, but I believe that the disadvantage will be short term. When our performance slumps, we'll be in better position to request sharper tools and sneakier shenanigans.

Has anyone considered making both Armor plates and Shield extenders PERCENTAGE based instead of straight value?

Any suit with more base HP could get more from using them so the cap on HP would be a totally natural one. This would require revisiting all frames basic HP values but we could have really good stuff with this.

If shield extenders (or armor plates) were +10%, with stacking penalties, frames that are tanky stay tanky, frames that are light get a lot less, and abuse automatically becomes impossible. It also fits in perfectly since the modules are enhancing the frames built in performance, not adding new functionality.

Scout: 150 Shield +10% -> +15 HP and if you stack a second shield extender then stacking penalties begin as normal

Assault with 300 Armor +10% armor plate -> 330 Armor, adding another plate would stacking penalty

Heavy with 600 Shield +10% -> +60 HP, again, adding more would have stacking penalties from there.

Just an idea.