And I'll leave somebody else to answer Magnus.

Which Scanners are Team vs Squad?

Is it the higher profile scanners that are team while lower ones are squad? Is there a random combination?

Known Bug

That sounds like a bug.

Or a major problem.

$19USD for skill reset? I deffer to Iggy's comment on that.

Destiny isn't the only comparison.

You also have to take into account opportunity cost, in which case you could go online or to Gamestop and purchase a used, entirely full game for 20 or much less.

That could also mean half a tank of gas for some people, and a week or so's worth of getting back and forth to work.

Its all relative.

Saying something like that make syou look like you've bought into the IWS-style "CCP can do no wrong and I'll use every logical fallacy to defend them" BS.

Can you guys check ou tthe EWAR tool in my sig ( you have to save a copy for the full functionality).

The number of dampners and enhancers should be modifiable via drop-down menu (along with most other values).

Let me know what you think and if there are any problems.

20$ is not fair at all. What content do I generate from such a purchase? It provides me with absolutely no better options than I already have currently. It only buys me a couple million SP that I can get back much much quickly by getting a booster instead. In fact I would venture to guess at this stage, its SO much more economical to just buy several boosters, stack them and then use whatever SP you may have wasted and use it to gain SP, not reallocate. It makes absolutely no sense to ever buy a respec with the current SP cap. Not to mention the horrible nerf, buff train that continues. (scouts good, scouts bad, scouts good, scouts bad, scanners bad, scanners good, scanners really good, scanners useless)

I could see $5-7. But $20 is just crazy, you have no reason to purchase it with all the other options. Had they not raised the SP cap, it would be a much better deal.

PS: I only spent an extra 30$ on TWO! destiny expansions. Which will generate likely another 4-6 months of content that is new. If you compare other DLC on the market (COD, Dust, Warframe, PS2, etc), I am getting about twice as much content and that is why I give Bungie my money.

1. Despite all the errors, 1.9 is fun to play.
2. Shared scans and lot of isk make blueberries go wild.

Edit: Will test other playmodes both with and without squad ...

I wonder if FW would be any different as well, or PC.

Decided to ask Rattati directly rather than confront the CPM's about it.

Post here. Used Shotty's post for reference. Knowing Rattati, he will read the rest of the posts and see his testing and get back to me.

What are the reqs to dodge a gallogi focused as a ninja?

I was running 3x damps and an ADV cloak and I was getting scanned

So with some time and isk I have all of those except gal scout 3 and that's only for isk cost for book. So need that with 1.77M SP left. Enough for gal scout 3 and weapons?

Get dampening to 5 ASAP. After that, get gal scout to 5.

So gal scout to 5 asap or eng/elec to 3 then scout 5?

Sorry so many questions.

How would you guys feel about completely removing headshot damage from heavies?

Whenever I've run them I get more headshots from not, which is pretty stupid considering that you pretty much just have to aim in their general direction.

It is because of scum like me that people cry about these things.

The Calassault gets exactly one real advantage over the scout while the scout gets almost a dozen. That's hilarious. No wonder people are complaining.

Does purchasing AUR really make that much of a difference in terms of rank?

What did you conclude, 5 points per match? something like that.
1AUR spent = 0.5 loyalty rank points

Scouts are OP. Please lock this thread of conspirators. It is polluting the minds of the Developers.

Plz lock and Nerf scouts.
That is all.

What is the problem with this statement?
Why would you fit more damps than you need to if there are no high powered scanners on field?

Agreed.

If memory serves I think just a Proto scanner without the Gal-Logi Bonus forces scouts to dampen at least a little. Min and Amarr almost certainly.

Edit:
Actually, would have to check the numbers on that.

How is this incorrect, though?
You don't need to dampen to counter the best recon when the best recon isn't being fielded.

Is a dual scanner gal logi worth using yet (1 general 1 focused). Wondering what to skill next.
I only have 2 suits and suit wise I'm generally a gal loyalist.

I like the consistency. Assault, Commando, Logistics, and Sentinel all follow standard racial naming conventions. . Then there is the Scout. WTF?

If I were a gambling man, I'd say they'll get a buff to Range, as Rattati would have to buff Precision by quite alot to affect hunter/hunted scenario outcomes ... for example, a Logi hunting with 2 cPE would spot the same Scouts whether his base was 45 dB, 44 dB, 43 dB or 42 dB. He'd need to be at 41dB to catch the next Scout in the progression. Then again, I'm not a gambling man :-)

To be honest, I've always ran as more of a skirmisher (not related to the game mode) than an assassin.

Question: what if cloaks didn't run out, but had a 10 second reactivation period similar to a cool down?

What is the risk currently for scouts dropping their cloaks to attack someone if they can often immediately recloak if their attack fails?

... this point so many people have different ideas on what the desired outcome isGǪ

another thing id like to ask is what would scouts think if there was a damage threshold for cloaks? meaning that if you take a certain amount of damage you drop your cloak

I'd just like the cloak to work in a way that you become more visible the closer you are to an enemy.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you decloak when you are too close to an object/ship in EVE?

not for the scout i just saw. he fired for a full second before uncloaking. all i saw was muzzle flash and damage indicators. insane.

Please keep me apprised of this type of control behavior.

I've only used the cloak a little bit since the change but via my 3DS I have yet to experience the issue you describe (again however my use so far has been minimal so that is far from conclusive).

What input device are you using and which control scheme? (Just in case there is an issue and said issue is linked to a sub-set of the control interface).

Cheers,
Cross

No more mid-air charging of Nova Knives?
That makes me sad, although that's probably a lack of getting the timing down... But also significant Nerf to NKs in the sidearm weapon slot

I am haven't tried it today, but I wouldn't mind an instant decloak with a single second of fire delay. It doesn't sound like that is happening though.

What needs to happen at this point I think is to buff Complex Damps a little and just get rid of the dampening on the cloak completely.

If the cloak becomes a liability for many, it is ridiculous to force us to use it in order to beat scans. I would be much more willing to run a fit without a cloak if that didn't automatically mean I was going to be scannable.

HaerrGǪ
Truly a glorious bastard that you are
I know what you are up to.

Can someone explain to me why Kain Spero is more active now than I ever saw him while he was CPM?

nerfing niche to make a more "equal distribution" is 100% bullshit. It's just going to take the hmg back to 1.7 when my Gal logi, or Cal assault, could use a rail rifle (AR or CR now) and win in a head on 1v1 from within 15m

Also, some of you guys can be dense, like really dense, because if you increase armor plate speed penalties you'll divide the shotgun scouts into two parties: party 1 are the guys that say, "speed penalties don't matter, HP is king" and party two, "I'll just use my Cal Scout."
Increases movement penalties on scouts are about as effective as 2 second during delay coupled with 2 second decloak animation.

Eh, they still have a long way to go before I start putting cloaks on my fittings for any reason other than to feel like my role bonus isn't completely wasted.

Gentlepeople

I would appreciate some assistance on the following

I know some of you have extensive experience with all playstyles and fits. Can you please take a look at this thread

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=180806&find=unread

Second, for reasons, I am particularly interested in Haerr's ewar spreadsheet. Can he be bothered to log into his Twitter account so I can msg him :)

*pops up head from sand* AH yes, I remember that idea....Shotty or Haerr should probably pitch that to Rattai if we want it mulled over.

Perhaps I should jump on this weekend I might have some free time to actually play this weekend. That way I can see how 1.9 feels, perhaps I can get lost in the new outpost like I did the first time in the GAL research facility....oh good times and those exit signs were my saving grace.

Looks like one shot before animation begins
Is starting to be visibleGǪ
Second shot is during Hexavisble ConeGǪ


IDK
Increase the Flash Gordon noise and put more science stuff around.

WAY too long for you to take your weapon out....they need to undo this nerf, or give us our sidearm SP so all the scouts can spec into Assaults, like they want us to.

So the cloak delay is not just when cloaked but delayed when not cloaked but cloak arm panel active.

Are we onto the root of the problem hereGǪ
Could it be that the delay is really only applying from the Wheel change?

I have this sudden urge to remind you of a very old argument involving shotguns and headshots.

I'm already very close. Searching the forums got me to his old character, and I'm going back to his first posts to find it.

Edward is a surprisingly common woman's name.
by which I mean I have met 2 girls with this name now.

I'm unliking every one of your posts as I go back

btw. what does TPLAK stand for?

I'm not sure that the 10% rings are going to change much.

Numbers need to be tweaked so that Scouts aren't -always- unscannable however, in my opinion. At <15m Scouts shouldn't be worrying about whether or not they've been discovered on their minimap with the way CQC options are right now. At that range you're usually already dead or can't see the icon on the minimap because it's too close to your own.

tea bag?

RE: EWAR

1. So I basically need to pull out a Proto Max dampened suit for Amarr scouts now right?

2. What are their std/adv/pro slots? 1H/3L, 2H/3L, 2H/4L?

On Haerr's table, what does No/STD/ADV/Pro/PIR stand for?

Are those dampening levels that we have skilled into?

I have no clue. He's been busy with CPM things. I was on with him today, but we mainly talked PC stuff.

I can look at what he posted and try to guess his mind, but that's all I can promise.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d_CKdTWACDt9pS8kAFXT9NIqFem8O4KOfI_aL6vU_o0/

Original document made before hotfixes with the original suggestion for module based calculations + new numbers to keep amarr king of precision

Ah, lol, to keep Amarr Scout at 18dB precision with 2 complex enhancers using module-based bonuses would mean they need to gain 11% per level to Precision enhancer efficacy.

Added Sheet "Efficacy" ...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zVbDLXDU5gpKjx1YmE9ODVYHxlE40vhNz-L7gBTcY4Y/edit?pli=1#gid=1991393770

Not 100% confident in my method as I threw this together in a hurry. Please check my figures before assuming them correct.

Gallente:
+3% Scan Profile per Level ---> +5% Profile Dampener Efficacy per Level
+2% Scan Precision per Level ---> +5% Precision Enhancer Efficacy per Level

Caldari:
+3% Scan Profile per Level ---> +5% Profile Dampener Efficacy per Level
+10% Scan Range per Level ---> +5% Range Extender Efficacy per Level

Amarr:
+5% Scan Precision per Level ---> +12% Precision Enhancer Efficacy per Level

Note: There are a couple gains and several losses to consider; not a perfect science.

"migraine auras"

I take Magnesium at first sign of onset. Highly recommend.

---

Speaking of headaches, let's take Zatara to task. If they want us to be assassins instead of scouts, let's make it work in such a way that each scout can be unique and effective in his new role.

We give up our scans in exchange for becoming better at killing and shenanigans...

MN - Bonus to Knives and Hacks
GA - Bonus to Shotgun and Damps
CA - Bonus to Sniper Rifle and ???
AM - Bonus to ??? and Biotics

Class Perks ...

Cloak: when active, reduces profile, increases speed, accelerates regen
Backstab: scouts assassins stagger foes when hit from behind (all weapons)

Dear Quil/Cass,

Do not take too much or it will cause........free flowing plumping issues

As far as assassination, perhaps Amarr can get the melee bonus? I feel assassination should be as close to OHKs as possible, but require very precise aiming/position. At least that seems to be the current mantra.

These numbers are likely wrong. I'll find and fix my error later today.

The ideas are good, but I just have one concern:
Where does that leave me, the medium-long ranged flanker? I'm not a shotgunner nor knifer, I only melee for lulz and sniper rifle ranges are too extreme for my tastes.
This leaves me with just one bonus out of three that I'll use, as opposed to the 2/3 now. I'll still use the Gallente, but the bonuses would be much less useful for my style.

I will echo my thoughts on that post in short here: Nobody is going to fit 5 complex dampeners on a medium frame to evade scouts who put two precision enhancers on, or dampen up to avoid any of the other equally obscene scenarios. If putting on a single precision enhancer means medframes need 3 or 4 dampeners to evade it, they cannot be said to "have a place on the EWAR scene". Whether they should or not is not what I am contesting but your assertion that they are competitive in the EWAR field when they must fit 3-5 damps to evade single module investments by scouts is ludicrous.

If I'm not mistaken Minnie and Amarr scouts need 3.
How does 4 sound?

AND a proto cloak!

If I don't wear the cloak, and activate it, I can't beat the scan.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OhoZzXwbgYG4VmEyEJUbULq04hZeTXWIIxIEnwYIo2g/edit?usp=sharing

I made this in hotfix charlie, but I could not find a rounded percentage to efficacy that would not change the current meta. I added an effiecincy bonus to a reduced e-war bonus so everything would round well, and the meta is left in relative tack. There's probably a better version of this but I might as well throw my hat into the ring...

Where does that leave the other 29 suits?

I don't think 1.6 scouts wherever fine for one moment. I have to say though 1.8's scouts are the polar opposite.

So umm, I keep forgetting.
How does rounding for EWAR work?
Does it always round up?

What if it's exactly in the middle?
Like 22.5?

1. So why is everyone thinking Mediums are getting a EWAR buff?

2. I think the Falloff scans are enough to make it viable for a Medium to run one damp/precision/amp just to improve the innermost circle, at least to begin with.

3. Moving to ewar efficacy for scouts will then counter the high native ewar slayer scouts.

The numbers look good to me, initially, except I find the values for REs (both Proxi and regular) should be halved. My bias to way too strong on this. It has nothing to do with mathematics and balance, I just want to protect my preferred EQ set-up on a Scout.

Where was this said?

Saying that scouts were more useful to the competitive scene in 1.7 than assaults/logi's are in 1.8 =/= Scout before 1.8 were fine.

I have said multiple times the extra slot/extra equip slot/and that the cloak is awesome for scouts and shouldn't be nerfed into the ground..that these were needed changes for scouts to be MORE viable.

I like how you're wrong about all sorts of **** (marauder/roner for 1)...but it's all good to politicize and misquote me in here so you can circlejerk about my supposed 'intentions'.

Utterly pathetic.

TL;DR

Man...just read it all.

You got time to make spreadsheets and go back months ago in some cases to misquote me...you proly have enough time to actually read this. :P

The arrogance level in the past few pages, it's...it's over 9000!

Well shit, we're actually getting somewhere with strafe speed.

Does anyone have copies of the old 1.8 Alpha-Charlie eWAR tables?

I would like to note the following

Submarines do not have superior Sensors

Stealth Fighters do not have superior Sensors

Stealth Bombers do not have superior Sensors

Jamming Birds do not have superior stealth

Strike Fighters do not have superior stealth or scanners

C3 birds do not have superior stealth.

It would be interesting if scouts had to rely on scans from logis in the same way heavies rely on logi reps. It might be impractical though due to the level or teamwork required. It's easier to be a logi, see a sentinal and think "ooo delicious war points", than to think "my scout friends need scans or they are gonna get squished".

edit:
TPLAK

As for Active Scanner improvements, I'll elaborate:
* Proto Vanilla - No Change.
* Proto Focused - Buff Cooldown to 30 sec and/or buff Visibility to 10 sec.
* Proto Quantum - Buff Cooldown to 30 sec.
* Proto Proximity - Buff scan angle from 45 to 90 degrees; nerf cooldown to 15 sec.
* Proto Flux - Nerf scan angle from 90 to 60 degrees.
* Set Proximity and Flux to team-share; add lesser WP intel assist.
* Set Vanilla, Focused and Quantum to squad-share.

This really isn't as unreasonable as you think it is. Make a thread about it in the Features. I for one would love if scouts had to rely on logis for good scans.

EX: submarines have better sensors than tuna fish.

Makes me so made I could eat a chimichanga, swallow some ball bearings, drink a quaff, bend over, fart and drop an amarian from 100 meters

A squawking submarine is a dead submarine they're essentially permanently scanned when they go loud.

1. Oh boy, all these HP stacking Assaults, Logis, Sentinels, and Commandos, who don't give a **** about EWAR, trying to trick Rattati into giving shield extenders a profile penalty...

2. ...and since Rattati hates CalScouts I'm afraid they might actually succeed...

If shield generators have weight then why don't everything have weight?
HMG vs NK's have no effect on speed/strafe/backpedal.

Then we could do some neo sh*t (referring to a glitch.)

Don't remember what was on the Hawk?

The RR is what makes me worry. (And makes me determined to get the RR back to it's late 1.8 state.

Looking through that thread, made me laugh a littleGǪ but it was a sad laugh. So much focus on this "fixing" scoutsGǪ and yes it is a good solution to brick tanking scouts. But even in the OP it is stated as to address scout super strafe and tone down SentinelsGǪ I wonder how many realize how much this will hit Sentinels, they are so focused on Scout and Calscouts, they seem to overlook how it changes things for ALL suits. Certainly some realize this, and even suggest just changing to db penaltyGǪ because that would hurt scouts and not assaults. Though that does not address the heart of what Ratatti was getting at with SentinelsGǪ so I don't see that happening.

what about range/precision/dampeners/repair/energizerz/etc/etc. if everything had penalties to speed profile range etc would make your choice in mods a lot different. someone wanting the lowest profile would have to consider what they fit more. no longer could you just look at chart and say I have to run 2 dampeners to hide. it would be i have to use 2 dampeners and only use low profile penalty mods. or like range mods penalize precision and precision penalize range.

I want more kick and less charge time, is that a bad thing? To want a balanced weapon? Where it has both some CQC capabilities (about like the AR's long range capabilities) and long range capabilities (Like the AR's CQC)

Though looking through that thread I haven't seen anyone comment on anything from the Com's perspective.

Anyway, that isn't exactly what I want it to be. I want less charge time so it can hit someone before you drop dead on the ground.

By the way, @OG's: I have a request underneath the Off-Shore rig, I'd be grateful if ya'll checked it out.

Can't wait to pick this up

I am faintly amused by all the mucking about with the cloak.
I don't even bother using it anymore, it's quite definitely not the reason scouts are good.

What weapon should I spec into next?
I was thinking Flaylock or more into Nova Knives.

Video was posted during closed beta chromo but was of the build before chromo (can't remember name)
I'm confused by this.

Zevran is clearly the best.

What weapon should I spec into next? Calscout, ACR/SG. SG has armour regen and a STD cloak... oh and a federation shotgun. ACR has needle and rep tool, with a rep mod and a Ion pistol.

Ungrateful things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu3VTngm1F0

I feel the Nova Knives are grossly misrepresented...

So Scouts are supposed to run with all Dampeners to remain dampened while in the optimal range of their weapons. But should still get scanned by Focused Scanners. And should also get scanned when entering anyone's inner circle. This way, any nearby squaddies can see the blip and kill the Scout if he happens to succeed in a backstab. Ohhhh! And Shield Extenders should counteract Profile Dampeners. This way Scouts can be balanced after we gift their Scan Precision to Logis.

And Assaults will only need 3 Dampeners to remain dampened while in the optimal range of their weapons.

Sounds about right, let's do that.

Give each suit one EWar stat on par with a scout.

Caldari Suits still obsolete...
More to come on "CCP is Gallente based' Stay tuned

I'm still a Chem Major. Start Organic and Physics II next semester.

<----- professional forester/biologist. Funny thing is I currently work for canada post lol

People will believe what they want to believe, they see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. The sad but true reality.

I'm running out of things to spec into. I don't see any point into getting another scout when I already have the min and gal pretty much maxed out. Any ideas?

I've been getting the urge to play again, I feel bad missing out on this officer event. I think I'll finally go collect my PS3 from the lazy friend that's been keeping it for a few weeks.

How common are the officer weaps during this event?

Confirming that this is exactly what I am doing nowGǪ almost maxed out

To be honest I like that the cloak is becoming less and less effective during actual combat.

From my point of view it should be a device to increase a scouts chance to cross open terrain, not a tool to easily overcome the shortcomings of shotguns, knives, and REs. (That's what speed should be for.)

That said, if they further lower its usefulness during combat I think it would be nice to also reduce its fitting requirements.

Question is, what is the intended role of the cloak?

1. A tool to get behind enemy lines, destroy equipment, hack stuff, +backstab stuff.
2. No shimmer while moving, has a longer duration, but has a decloaking delay of ~5 seconds.
3. The cloak could also be a tool to get out of fights rather than into them.

... lucky head shots with the Breach ScP.

As a whole, I am finding even wearing a Quaffe suit and running just a little over 30K Isk and not breaking even.

Sooo KTB just posted a wonderful new video. If you can't stand him just watch the first 90 seconds. It reminds me of his old really dumb videos and his stupidity makes the video hilarious.
Dust 514 - The truth about rate of fire: http://youtu.be/bd0bsc8P3Cs

Depends on how much people you stab.

The difference is we told him his ideas were stupid, they became less stupid, and eventually he actually had some good ideas. It was weird and confusing.

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH GAV!?!?!?

Decent photo manipulation of this
No real noticeable seams, but not a lot of work to pull that off.

The grenade is for suicides.
With such low HP but range amps you occasionally realise you're in a no win scenario.

Sounds familiar.

...

Do you think I care one whit about "fair?"

VICTORY IS MINE!

Another thing we don't know is the modules. In the thread it's been mentioned that Range amps will negatively affect both Precision and profile, while Precision mods will negatively affect range+profile, but I haven't seen by how much.

How so?
Amarr scout looks to be exceptionally strong at scanning. Its scans are unavoidable while the logiscans can be avoided by all scouts.

Because the Amscout can get 13dB scans and laugh at all attempts to evade its scans?

By this same logic isn't the Cal a terrible scout? What with their oh so terrible 2 low slots. They sure don't seem to be struggling.

So can someone give us a tldr of the changes? I don't have time to sift through the ewar thread and the doc didn't mention anything about minja bonus changes or the penalty to opposing ewar stats when equipping an ewar mod. As far as I saw at least.

I remember someone here converting the current scout ewar bonuses to module efficacy quid pro quo. I need that data nao , because of reasons. What better time to do that change now?

Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2466381#post2466381

... Moving to ewar efficacy for scouts will then counter the high native ewar slayer scouts.

Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2468612#post2468612

I like your idea Gav. I'm worried about sentinels with the direction arrow removed.

If they didn't want something so complex, they could just give heavies a different minimap marker which shows direction, as well as telling you it is a heavy you are scanning.

Instead we've ended up with 25% range amps? Is anyone seriously going to fit these anywhere except PC?

Sigh. I'm willing to bet range amps are some of the rarest mods used at the moment. I guess pg mods and mybos are less used, maybe shield rechargers.

I also really don't like the nerf to range amps. People hardly use them as it is. I know they will be helped by the general increases to base scan range, but I just don't see anyone using them in 1.10.

I understand why this has been done...

yo, rattati you are doing a great job, i do have one question though, i picked race at the beginning of the closed beta after the last reset, so a LOOONG time ago, but i at the point we got actual amarr weapons went all amarr, and is there any way to switch ?

What is Next Release 1.0? People are assuming Legion, is that an appropriate assumption do you think?
.

I'd say Rebellion
But what do I know?

We're already doing that now! :p
I was following the names Uprising
Maybe Rebirth or Revenge or Ashes hell they may even put it to Legion
Who knows?