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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:

I played 1.10 yesterday and wanted to leave my thoughts from the Min Scout's POV.

1. My biggest gripe is back peddle speed. This seriously irritates me.

2. Auto-Activating Inertia Dampeners are really frustrating. It's IMPOSSIBLE to stealth into an area from on high. Really dislike this.

3. Decloak animation has been brought down to 0 Frames again, this is good.

4. Weapon swap from cloak now changes equipment and decloaks asynchronously, YESS!! Finally people will not be able to complain about being shot from cloak anymore. GREAT !

5. Sprinting during equipment swap STILL cancels out the swap. Trying to decloak and then sprinting results in you becoming visible but not switching to your weapon. Very frustrating.

6. I love the scan fall off and everything that comes with it, including the super powerful inner scan circle. I appreciate that I show up as a red blip before taking out a target with Nova Knives and I in turn appreciate being able to see a red blip before getting shotgunned. This was done well.

7. I am happy to see directional arrows still work for Active Scanner. Why wasn't this mentioned in the thread for feedback on the subject? It would've saved a lot of discussion.

8. The fitting screen says 3000.00 meters when it in fact means 30.00 meters or 3000.00 cm (either would be fine).

PROPOSAL:
When the concept of fire-delay from cloak was discussed, Rattati started out with a 0.3 second delay, confident that it was enough time to give people a fighting chance.

It made NO difference.

So it was buffed up to 1 full second, and became painfully obvious WHY it didn't work at 0.3 seconds. The switch from equipment to weapon and the actual decloaking were not asynchronous. Regardless of the delay, it was still possible to fire from cloak.

Right now, the switch from equipment and the decloaking animation are properly asynchronous. GREAT JOB FIXING THIS !! Can we re-evaluate the delay? Originally it was felt 0.3 seconds was good, then it was bumped up to 1.0 seconds because it apparently wasn't enough, when in fact it wasn't working properly.

What I want the MOST: for the glitch where decloaking gets canceled by sprinting to be fixed.

"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

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One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6531	Posted - 2014.12.10 21:53:00 - [26431] - Quote Played one match, and I am rusty, but I came on here to say this. I am skilled into Flaylock, and at the end of the match switched from the ScP to Flaylock after having much problems with shotgun scouts and trying to kill them with an ScP. I am now making it my Fav fit. I came around to one, put two rounds at his feet, and he died. HE DIED FU sneaky shotgun scouts, no more will my knives be a detriment!!! I haven't tried cloak, but I did notice "cloak delay" while switching from REs to knives. WTF? The rest I will reserve judgment until having played more, and shaken off some rust. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4969	Posted - 2014.12.10 22:03:00 - [26432] - Quote Oh right, patch comments. I really like the daily mission idea. I don't like that half of the ones I got require me to use aurum. The kill feed seems a bit clustered, maybe ranks should be shortened, so like Lt for Lieutenant. Does killing people (and getting killed) seem significantly slower to anyone else? Seems like everyone is soaking up more damage. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Kaeru Nayiri OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 295	Posted - 2014.12.10 22:10:00 - [26433] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: [...] I am skilled into Flaylock, and at the end of the match switched from the ScP to Flaylock after having much problems with shotgun scouts and trying to kill them with an ScP. I am now making it my Fav fit. [...] Another convert ! I am sure Llast will also be happy.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1636	Posted - 2014.12.10 22:17:00 - [26434] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Played one match, and I am rusty, but I came on here to say this. I am skilled into Flaylock, and at the end of the match switched from the ScP to Flaylock after having much problems with shotgun scouts and trying to kill them with an ScP. I am now making it my Fav fit. I came around to one, put two rounds at his feet, and he died. HE DIED FU sneaky shotgun scouts, no more will my knives be a detriment!!! I haven't tried cloak, but I did notice "cloak delay" while switching from REs to knives. WTF? The rest I will reserve judgment until having played more, and shaken off some rust. I use a new scout... NKs + SG... I'm not evil I promise... *Raven for CPM2* I use a Flaylol. *The silence, it's unbearable.*
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1636	Posted - 2014.12.10 22:18:00 - [26435] - Quote Funny, I stop using the Flaylol as soon as King begins. I now have 18 NK kills. *Raven for CPM2* I use a Flaylol. *The silence, it's unbearable.*
Kaeru Nayiri OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 295	Posted - 2014.12.10 22:23:00 - [26436] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: [...] NKs + SG... I'm not evil I promise... I only have one question: (and I ask it with the utmost respect to you, sir) If you are fitted with the shotgun, what reason do you need to switch to knives? Let's say you are sneaking up on a lone wolf, you get within 5m, and switch to your weapon. He's got his back turned and maybe he's even walking forward. What weapon do you use? The TTK on shotgun is faster/easier than knives because you don't need to close the distance fully. I can understand wanting a weapon to quickly finish off opponents that survive the knives, but if that weapon is outright better than the knives to begin with, why use the knives? EDIT: I should also mention I haven't tried using the shotgun yet, so maybe there is something about it I do not know?
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1641	Posted - 2014.12.10 23:39:00 - [26437] - Quote Just went around 20/1 in a STD calscout with only NKs. *Raven for CPM2* I use a Flaylol. *The silence, it's unbearable.*
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1107	Posted - 2014.12.11 00:39:00 - [26438] - Quote @ OEK Try this: Scout M/1 (49.9k) HS: Cmp Precision, Enh Shield, Cmp Shield LS: Dmp Damp (x2) PW: Std Combat Rifle SW: Pro Knives EQ: Adv Cloak, A-19 Active Scanner AM Scout scans are out; GA Logi Active Scans are in. 21dB is the new 18dB. The precision enhancer bumps your outer ring to 37dB; you pick up undampened Meds this way. The A-19 is easy to fit and recycles super fast. Ping your mark before takedown to get a feel for his jumpiness and orientation. PS: Don't tell me its too expensive; check your wallet :-)
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6538	Posted - 2014.12.11 02:35:00 - [26439] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ OEK Try this: Scout M/1 (49.9k) HS: Cmp Precision, Enh Shield, Cmp Shield LS: Cmp Damp, Enh Damp PW: Std Combat Rifle SW: Pro Knives EQ: Adv Cloak, A-19 Active Scanner GR: Std Flux AM Scouts are out; Active Scanners are in. 21dB is the number to beat; 1 Cmp + 1 Enh damp gets you to 20. The precision enhancer bumps your outer ring to 37dB, sufficient to pickup undampened Assaults. The A-19 is easy to fit and recycles quickly. Ping your mark before takedown to get a feel for jumpiness, orientation and any nearby threats. Even when you do everything right, you're going to lose suits to BS (OP HMG Heavies, OP backpedal speed and OP Breach ARs). But to be fair, you're going to lose suits to these no matter what you run. I actually didn't have a problem being scanned, to my knowledge. All the suits I ran had 2 damps, and my fittings screen said I was getting down to 18 dB. The first game or so I didn't bother running a cloak, and that seemed to help more than anything, but I still encountered the RE delay switching to a weapon, which is freaking annoying and hopefully a glitch and not a stealth nerf. But then I was dying moving around a lot because I was at 250ish HP. I don't think I ran into any Amarr scouts. Most were Gal with a few Cal and Min thrown in. The rest were Heavy/Logi/Assaults. And I swear I knifed one Heavy twice with Ishukones and he still had 900 HP left when he gunned me down. Mostly though, it was the team balance. If we were dominating them, there was nothing for me to infiltrate or stealth hack unless it was the sole Red objective, which is just suicidal. If we were getting dominated, it was 16 guys scattered all over the place and driving vehicles looking for something to kill and converging on anything I tried to hack. I think if there were some sort of balance I could deal with the other issues as I had in 1.7 and before, but all games are so unbalanced now that its just too much. Too many frustrations and not just one or two big ones I can work around. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1337	Posted - 2014.12.11 02:51:00 - [26440] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ Varoth That option hadn't even crossed my mind. Fewer moving parts; lower odds of problems. Yours is the way to go. @ Kaeru A vet can also field an effective Heavy at Level 1. I don't see how either case would pose problems. For the templar renegade thing that's what I skilled into with the sp. Heavy suit with an ar lol. XD TLDR : Last Dust Montage

Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2041	Posted - 2014.12.11 04:54:00 - [26441] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ Varoth That option hadn't even crossed my mind. Fewer moving parts; lower odds of problems. Yours is the way to go. @ Kaeru A vet can also field an effective Heavy at Level 1. I don't see how either case would pose problems. For the templar renegade thing that's what I skilled into with the sp. Heavy suit with an ar lol. XD Way back when the HMG was broken I'd occassionally run Scrambler Rifle and Scrambler Pistol on an Amarr sentinel. Really wasn't very good. Back in the Flaylock spam days and Cal logi it was pretty useless not that I minded. There's a reason my KDR didn't go positive until 1.7. We'll bang, OK?
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 475	Posted - 2014.12.11 08:30:00 - [26442] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: explain to me why low level scouts can't use the cloak, is it because it doesnt damp, or they don't have the fitting for it. If latter, why not increase the cloak fitting bonus or reduce pg/cpu on std cloak? Std cloak is not worth its fitting cost. It provides no dampening, and when trying to use it to traverse open areas, its duration is so short that you end up becoming uncloaked halfway to your destination. Adv would be more useful, but really even then you end up gimping your suit unless you have Lvl 4 in a racial scout. I would reiterate that I think the cloak is in a place where you might as well just reduce the fitting costs and open it up to everone. Let whiny Assaults that think the cloak is a "win" button try it out and see how much it helps. Why not normalise the duration for all tiers, just providing increased dampening at ADV and PRO. I would then prefer to have two different types, standard and tactical, where the standard have long duration (for traveling long distances) but hardly any damps, and tactical with short duration and larger damps.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6556	Posted - 2014.12.11 16:06:00 - [26443] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: One Eyed King wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: explain to me why low level scouts can't use the cloak, is it because it doesnt damp, or they don't have the fitting for it. If latter, why not increase the cloak fitting bonus or reduce pg/cpu on std cloak? Std cloak is not worth its fitting cost. It provides no dampening, and when trying to use it to traverse open areas, its duration is so short that you end up becoming uncloaked halfway to your destination. Adv would be more useful, but really even then you end up gimping your suit unless you have Lvl 4 in a racial scout. I would reiterate that I think the cloak is in a place where you might as well just reduce the fitting costs and open it up to everone. Let whiny Assaults that think the cloak is a "win" button try it out and see how much it helps. Why not normalise the duration for all tiers, just providing increased dampening at ADV and PRO. I would then prefer to have two different types, standard and tactical, where the standard have long duration (for traveling long distances) but hardly any damps, and tactical with short duration and larger damps. What would be nice is a cloak that actually worked. What is the point of being less visible if you can still be seen, but are unable to retaliate when shot at by larger HP suits for several seconds? With the delay, they really should get rid of the shimmer animation. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 489	Posted - 2014.12.11 16:32:00 - [26444] - Quote I wouldn't mind the delay so much if it wasn't for the irritating thing where it cancels your weapon switch. Died so many times to that
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2048	Posted - 2014.12.11 19:54:00 - [26445] - Quote Yeah they need to figure out a decent nerf to the cloak and stick with it. Otherwise it's this "death of a thousand cuts" crap we've always had and Dust hasn't improved, and the cycle of OP followed by not viable continues. We'll bang, OK?
voidfaction Nos Nothi 663	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:03:00 - [26446] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: I wouldn't mind the delay so much if it wasn't for the irritating thing where it cancels your weapon switch. Died so many times to that I would not mind the delay if it was only when cloaked. delay when not cloaked is killing me more than it canceling weapon switch to sidearm. Would also like to choose which weapon is primary. point system of 3 (light weapons 2pts sidearm 1pt to equal 3) so I can put sidearm in primary slot and a light weapon in secondary slot
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4985	Posted - 2014.12.11 22:21:00 - [26447] - Quote Matches have been good today, really really good. Very well balanced. And I've got 19 boxes and no key, sadness. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Kaeru Nayiri OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 305	Posted - 2014.12.11 22:35:00 - [26448] - Quote One of my daily missions yesterday awarded 2 keys for completing it, alone. I guess I got lucky? I just had to kill 39 people. First box got me 15 six kin assault combat rifles, second got me 4 SYMB officer sniper rifles.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4985	Posted - 2014.12.11 22:37:00 - [26449] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: One of my daily missions yesterday awarded 2 keys for completing it, alone. I guess I got lucky? I just had to kill 39 people. First box got me 15 six kin assault combat rifles, second got me 4 SYMB officer sniper rifles. I got about 4 boxes for the same mission yesterday, and 6 for 48 today. Yesterday I had an oddly specific mission, it told me to get 11 kill assists using the small turret on a teammate drive vehicle. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1125	Posted - 2014.12.11 22:44:00 - [26450] - Quote The boxes are piling up fast! Wish they were color-coded by loot quality, so I'd know which to spend my keys on first. Probably won't be spending AUR on keys again ... but if there were "gold" boxes which were guaranteed to have BPO (I want) or Booster (I buy anyway), I don't know that I could resist.

Llast 326 An Arkhos 5720	Posted - 2014.12.11 22:55:00 - [26451] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: One of my daily missions yesterday awarded 2 keys for completing it, alone. I guess I got lucky? I just had to kill 39 people. First box got me 15 six kin assault combat rifles, second got me 4 SYMB officer sniper rifles. I've gotten no keys yet Got 3 boxes for hacking 8 objectives and another 3 for hacking 12 InstallationsGÇª completed those in one match (Yeah I Hack everything) then end of match salvage had another 9x Boxes One match 15 Boxes I have no keys yet MOAR Ladders
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4990	Posted - 2014.12.12 00:38:00 - [26452] - Quote Spademan wrote: Matches have been good today, really really good. Very well balanced. And I've got 19 boxes and no key, sadness. Forgot at the time of writing, but I'd been running Minnie Sentinel with HMG for all matches to get as much kills in as little time for the daily missions, so that may have factored into it. The scan changes are actually a huge buff, but mostly when fighting mediums and maybe undampened scouts. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4990	Posted - 2014.12.12 01:59:00 - [26453] - Quote Oh by the way, boosters are mission rewards. I know because I got a mission yesterday that would've given me a 1day passive booster if I used 3 boosters. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 13403	Posted - 2014.12.12 02:26:00 - [26454] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: I played 1.10 yesterday and wanted to leave my thoughts from the Min Scout's POV. 1. My biggest gripe is back peddle speed. This seriously irritates me. 2. Auto-Activating Inertia Dampeners are really frustrating. It's IMPOSSIBLE to stealth into an area from on high. Really dislike this. 3. Decloak animation has been brought down to 0 Frames again, this is good. 4. Weapon swap from cloak now changes equipment and decloaks asynchronously, YESS!! Finally people will not be able to complain about being shot from cloak anymore. GREAT ! 5. Sprinting during equipment swap STILL cancels out the swap. Trying to decloak and then sprinting results in you becoming visible but not switching to your weapon. Very frustrating. 6. I love the scan fall off and everything that comes with it, including the super powerful inner scan circle. I appreciate that I show up as a red blip before taking out a target with Nova Knives and I in turn appreciate being able to see a red blip before getting shotgunned. This was done well. 7. I am happy to see directional arrows still work for Active Scanner. Why wasn't this mentioned in the thread for feedback on the subject? It would've saved a lot of discussion. 8. The fitting screen says 3000.00 meters when it in fact means 30.00 meters or 3000.00 cm (either would be fine). PROPOSAL: When the concept of fire-delay from cloak was discussed, Rattati started out with a 0.3 second delay, confident that it was enough time to give people a fighting chance. It made NO difference. So it was buffed up to 1 full second, and became painfully obvious WHY it didn't work at 0.3 seconds. The switch from equipment to weapon and the actual decloaking were not asynchronous. Regardless of the delay, it was still possible to fire from cloak. Right now, the switch from equipment and the decloaking animation are properly asynchronous. GREAT JOB FIXING THIS !! Can we re-evaluate the delay? Originally it was felt 0.3 seconds was good, then it was bumped up to 1.0 seconds because it apparently wasn't enough, when in fact it wasn't working properly. What I want the MOST: for the glitch where decloaking gets canceled by sprinting to be fixed. This is why I come here, thanks! "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 13407	Posted - 2014.12.12 02:29:00 - [26455] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Played one match, and I am rusty, but I came on here to say this. I am skilled into Flaylock, and at the end of the match switched from the ScP to Flaylock after having much problems with shotgun scouts and trying to kill them with an ScP. I am now making it my Fav fit. I came around to one, put two rounds at his feet, and he died. HE DIED FU sneaky shotgun scouts, no more will my knives be a detriment!!! I haven't tried cloak, but I did notice "cloak delay" while switching from REs to knives. WTF? The rest I will reserve judgment until having played more, and shaken off some rust. Delay on Remotes was erroneously added while testing. It's going back to what it was. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1658	Posted - 2014.12.12 02:40:00 - [26456] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Played one match, and I am rusty, but I came on here to say this. I am skilled into Flaylock, and at the end of the match switched from the ScP to Flaylock after having much problems with shotgun scouts and trying to kill them with an ScP. I am now making it my Fav fit. I came around to one, put two rounds at his feet, and he died. HE DIED FU sneaky shotgun scouts, no more will my knives be a detriment!!! I haven't tried cloak, but I did notice "cloak delay" while switching from REs to knives. WTF? The rest I will reserve judgment until having played more, and shaken off some rust. Delay on Remotes was erroneously added while testing. It's going back to what it was. Thank you. I lost 6 clones worth 1k Aurum because of the delay not allowing me to fire my SG. *Raven for CPM2* I use a Flaylol. *The silence, it's unbearable.* My corporation has a higher WLR than FA.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3078	Posted - 2014.12.12 03:32:00 - [26457] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Played one match, and I am rusty, but I came on here to say this. I am skilled into Flaylock, and at the end of the match switched from the ScP to Flaylock after having much problems with shotgun scouts and trying to kill them with an ScP. I am now making it my Fav fit. I came around to one, put two rounds at his feet, and he died. HE DIED FU sneaky shotgun scouts, no more will my knives be a detriment!!! I haven't tried cloak, but I did notice "cloak delay" while switching from REs to knives. WTF? The rest I will reserve judgment until having played more, and shaken off some rust. Delay on Remotes was erroneously added while testing. It's going back to what it was. My min Assault thanks you, oh great Rattati. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1028	Posted - 2014.12.12 06:47:00 - [26458] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Played one match, and I am rusty, but I came on here to say this. I am skilled into Flaylock, and at the end of the match switched from the ScP to Flaylock after having much problems with shotgun scouts and trying to kill them with an ScP. I am now making it my Fav fit. I came around to one, put two rounds at his feet, and he died. HE DIED FU sneaky shotgun scouts, no more will my knives be a detriment!!! I haven't tried cloak, but I did notice "cloak delay" while switching from REs to knives. WTF? The rest I will reserve judgment until having played more, and shaken off some rust. Delay on Remotes was erroneously added while testing. It's going back to what it was. My min Assault thanks you, oh great Rattati. pâ+a++a¦ê+ä-£a¦êa++n+ë praise be unto him pâ+a++a¦ê+ä-£a¦êa++n+ë Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20109	Posted - 2014.12.12 07:19:00 - [26459] - Quote I have been using a dual plasma cannon commando with three kincats. You people have corrupted me with a lust for speed. Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1028	Posted - 2014.12.12 08:44:00 - [26460] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I have been using a dual plasma cannon commando with three kincats. You people have corrupted me with a lust for speed. Embrace it. I'm pretty sure half the reason I play this game is so I can roleplay being sanic, blue dropsuit and all. Speaking of speed, I'm going to spec one of my SP-farmed alts balls-deep into LAVs in anticipation of the upcoming implementation of LAV transport WP. All taxi, all the time. I desperately want non-combat playstyles to be viable in this game and will fight tooth and nail to make it so. Gotta go fast! I would've made an entirely new character for it, but sadly the name "Driving Miss Daisy" was taken Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.



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