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Pseudogenesis wrote:

Oh, and another thing of note: Since minmatar scout knifer feels so icky to play right now, I finally specced into minmatar assault and basically made a "scout lite" knifing fit. I threw together a very haphazard, out of meta module setup with 1 complex kincat and then a random assortment of militia precision, armor, shield and sidearm damage modules, and then hopped into a few matches.

It straight up feels like cheating. Same cost as my bread and butter knifing fit, yet I have more than double the HP with the same movement speed and precision. If they see me I can just slice them and tank shots that would normally have just killed me were I running minnie scout. The single equipment slot doesn't matter considering the current state of the cloak and remote explosives; I don't even know what to put in it. I tossed in a basic active scanner as a placeholder. Knives are pretty much just as effective as they usually are. Only downsides to running this over the minnie scout is lack of hacking bonus and poor base profile signature, and the latter doesn't matter nearly as much given the nerf to passive scans and the prevalence of active scanners.

DPLAK I guess

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Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1028	Posted - 2014.12.12 08:53:00 - [26461] - Quote Oh, and another thing of note: Since minmatar scout knifer feels so icky to play right now, I finally specced into minmatar assault and basically made a "scout lite" knifing fit. I threw together a very haphazard, out of meta module setup with 1 complex kincat and then a random assortment of militia precision, armor, shield and sidearm damage modules, and then hopped into a few matches. It straight up feels like cheating. Same cost as my bread and butter knifing fit, yet I have more than double the HP with the same movement speed and precision. If they see me I can just slice them and tank shots that would normally have just killed me were I running minnie scout. The single equipment slot doesn't matter considering the current state of the cloak and remote explosives; I don't even know what to put in it. I tossed in a basic active scanner as a placeholder. Knives are pretty much just as effective as they usually are. Only downsides to running this over the minnie scout is lack of hacking bonus and poor base profile signature, and the latter doesn't matter nearly as much given the nerf to passive scans and the prevalence of active scanners. DPLAK I guess Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1028	Posted - 2014.12.12 09:12:00 - [26462] - Quote Last thing I promise: Within the first 3 or so matches I played today I got like 18 strong boxes. Is that normal? I just got 7 from a single ambush 0_o Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1659	Posted - 2014.12.12 09:17:00 - [26463] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I have been using a dual plasma cannon commando with three kincats. You people have corrupted me with a lust for speed. 1st, great sig. 2nd, I have that problem too, 3 kincats on my State ck.0 and it runs faster than some scouts! I am addicted to kincats. *Apply to Kaalmayoti Warzone Control today* *Chat Channel: Kaalmayoti Warzone Control* *For the State*
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3354	Posted - 2014.12.12 09:38:00 - [26464] - Quote FOTMatar mk.0: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2512860#post2512860 EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2049	Posted - 2014.12.12 11:44:00 - [26465] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: FOTMatar mk.0: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2512860#post2512860 I already called this a long time ago. As did others. I called Min assault as the upcoming assault FotM in general as well, in spite of what Min players will claim (ever the victims). Unless they destroy strafing, then who knows where the meta will go. Even good sentinels will strafe pretty hard (myself included). We'll bang, OK?
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6713	Posted - 2014.12.12 12:18:00 - [26466] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Played one match, and I am rusty, but I came on here to say this. I am skilled into Flaylock, and at the end of the match switched from the ScP to Flaylock after having much problems with shotgun scouts and trying to kill them with an ScP. I am now making it my Fav fit. I came around to one, put two rounds at his feet, and he died. HE DIED FU sneaky shotgun scouts, no more will my knives be a detriment!!! I haven't tried cloak, but I did notice "cloak delay" while switching from REs to knives. WTF? The rest I will reserve judgment until having played more, and shaken off some rust. Delay on Remotes was erroneously added while testing. It's going back to what it was. Fantastic to hear. Edit: also have yall ever thought about redusing the PG for proto kincats, it's a large jump from ADV and not easy to fit currently. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2049	Posted - 2014.12.12 12:27:00 - [26467] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Played one match, and I am rusty, but I came on here to say this. I am skilled into Flaylock, and at the end of the match switched from the ScP to Flaylock after having much problems with shotgun scouts and trying to kill them with an ScP. I am now making it my Fav fit. I came around to one, put two rounds at his feet, and he died. HE DIED FU sneaky shotgun scouts, no more will my knives be a detriment!!! I haven't tried cloak, but I did notice "cloak delay" while switching from REs to knives. WTF? The rest I will reserve judgment until having played more, and shaken off some rust. Delay on Remotes was erroneously added while testing. It's going back to what it was. Fantastic to hear. Edit: also have yall ever thought about redusing the PG for proto kincats, it's a large jump from ADV and not easy to fit currently. Oh oh oh! On that subject. Any news on fixing sprint speed hit detection issues? (Maybe buff kincats). We'll bang, OK?
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6714	Posted - 2014.12.12 12:40:00 - [26468] - Quote Also: I keep seeing that REs are bing nerfed, it was to my understanding that REs were being balenced, and there will be a new AV RE. If it's infact a nerf can someone send me a link to the post that directly states so, I'm flying blind currently. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20118	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:23:00 - [26469] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I have been using a dual plasma cannon commando with three kincats. You people have corrupted me with a lust for speed. 1st, great sig. 2nd, I have that problem too, 3 kincats on my State ck.0 and it runs faster than some scouts! I am addicted to kincats. I run 2 kincats and a cardiac reg on mine. The third one gives me fitting problems, isn't that effective, and a cardiac reg means I can bunny hop and run all day long. I sometimes have a shield regulator instead of the third one as well because ducking into cover for shield super-regen is really neat when you have 2 kincats and a regulator. Make sure to fit a recharger or energizer - you can run 600 shields with a 50 HP/s regen rate if you fit it right, and when that's regulated and kincatted, you move so fast. :3 Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1338	Posted - 2014.12.12 14:15:00 - [26470] - Quote Enjoy reading the RE's threads. U guys keep tossing those heavy biscuits. TLDR : Last Dust Montage

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20126	Posted - 2014.12.12 15:22:00 - [26471] - Quote They're not even getting nerfed like some of these idiots think they are... Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5721	Posted - 2014.12.12 17:29:00 - [26472] - Quote I think the best kill I have ever pulled of was achieved last night Proto Amarr Sentinel 15m engagement Breach Flaylock kill took 5 direct hits to drop him Damn that felt good. MOAR Ladders
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1143	Posted - 2014.12.12 17:51:00 - [26473] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Also: I keep seeing that REs are being nerfed ... Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: They're not even getting nerfed like some of these idiots think they are... Shots fired?
Kaeru Nayiri OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 311	Posted - 2014.12.12 17:53:00 - [26474] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: I think the best kill I have ever pulled of was achieved last night Proto Amarr Sentinel 15m engagement Breach Flaylock kill took 5 direct hits to drop him Damn that felt good. You're a madman !!
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5723	Posted - 2014.12.12 17:56:00 - [26475] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Llast 326 wrote: I think the best kill I have ever pulled of was achieved last night Proto Amarr Sentinel 15m engagement Breach Flaylock kill took 5 direct hits to drop him Damn that felt good. You're a madman !! Minja Pirates always are MOAR Ladders
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1143	Posted - 2014.12.12 18:23:00 - [26476] - Quote Badassery (video): https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2513624#post2513624
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6571	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:13:00 - [26477] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Oh, and another thing of note: Since minmatar scout knifer feels so icky to play right now, I finally specced into minmatar assault and basically made a "scout lite" knifing fit. I threw together a very haphazard, out of meta module setup with 1 complex kincat and then a random assortment of militia precision, armor, shield and sidearm damage modules, and then hopped into a few matches. It straight up feels like cheating. Same cost as my bread and butter knifing fit, yet I have more than double the HP with the same movement speed and precision. If they see me I can just slice them and tank shots that would normally have just killed me were I running minnie scout. The single equipment slot doesn't matter considering the current state of the cloak and remote explosives; I don't even know what to put in it. I tossed in a basic active scanner as a placeholder. Knives are pretty much just as effective as they usually are. Only downsides to running this over the minnie scout is lack of hacking bonus and poor base profile signature, and the latter doesn't matter nearly as much given the nerf to passive scans and the prevalence of active scanners. DPLAK I guess Yay! Its not just me having problems with the Minja!! It sucks though that Assaults are can out scout scouts now... Its a good thing EWAR is meant for all though, because otherwise this would mean there is a problem. @ Bay I don't think all Minmatar suits are UP. Comparatively, I think the Minmando could be the best Commando (though take that as you will with Commandos being UP as a whole), and it seems to me that MinAss will be over performing if they are not already. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6571	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:17:00 - [26478] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Also: I keep seeing that REs are bing nerfed, it was to my understanding that REs were being balenced, and there will be a new AV RE. If it's infact a nerf can someone send me a link to the post that directly states so, I'm flying blind currently. Its mentioned as part of the Hotfix Echo discussions here. I don't know if the conversation has changed any, but the talk was taking all REs that are currently in game, and giving them a 5 second activation time. Sounds like a nerf to me, even at the standard level which is already at 4 seconds, and especially at proto, which will more than double the activation time. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4993	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:24:00 - [26479] - Quote I got a mission today which was destroy 1 installation and get 588'888 isk and another which was destroy 3 and get 200'000. wat? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6571	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:31:00 - [26480] - Quote Spademan wrote: I got a mission today which was destroy 1 installation and get 588'888 isk and another which was destroy 3 and get 200'000. wat? Its so random. I feel like this can be a new Dust meme somehow. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6721	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:01:00 - [26481] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Also: I keep seeing that REs are being nerfed ... Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: They're not even getting nerfed like some of these idiots think they are... Shots fired? I doubt that, am also in a great deal of pain, so I'm unlikely to respond regardless. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6721	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:02:00 - [26482] - Quote @One Eyed King Thanks, I saw, was just making sure I wasn't mistaken. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1341	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:36:00 - [26483] - Quote For the std. An extra second feels a lot longer than it is. If that helps them feel better, the kill becomes that much sweeter. XD Think it'll take a lot longer to get used to for those higher levels. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6723	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:46:00 - [26484] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: For the std. An extra second feels a lot longer than it is. If that helps them feel better, the kill becomes that much sweeter. XD Think it'll take a lot longer to get used to for those higher levels. Due to the now extremely low ttk( I think anyway ) a few seconds can be a death penalty, things like the MD reload, the nade timers, and shield regens don't seem long on paper but in game it can get you killed if utilised wrong. In any case, as long as they're not using them as nades most RE users should be fine regardless, though I'm glad the devs seem to have enough sense to nerf them to the ground. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1034	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:00:00 - [26485] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: I think the best kill I have ever pulled of was achieved last night Proto Amarr Sentinel 15m engagement Breach Flaylock kill took 5 direct hits to drop him Damn that felt good. "Damn it feels good to be a gangster." Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1153	Posted - 2014.12.13 06:29:00 - [26486] - Quote Encrypted Strongboxes: 97 Keys: 0
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6735	Posted - 2014.12.13 08:49:00 - [26487] - Quote You know I'm not really a fotm kinda guy, never cared for it I play what I enjoy doing, and maybe that's my problem as a player? Maybe I should start, get a reset, proto every match, full squad o proto, skill back into tanks, ditch the lav, call/gall scouts, amarr suits and weapons, armour not shield. Hmm, it's just I find it's becoming less and less fun to get my face pushed in because I'm not part of the FOTM tryhard number...run anything else and get squashed, not much of a middle ground. Hmm, just thinking on things, painkillers wore off to so I should get some food too. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 13555	Posted - 2014.12.13 09:38:00 - [26488] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Also: I keep seeing that REs are bing nerfed, it was to my understanding that REs were being balenced, and there will be a new AV RE. If it's infact a nerf can someone send me a link to the post that directly states so, I'm flying blind currently. Its mentioned as part of the Hotfix Echo discussions here. I don't know if the conversation has changed any, but the talk was taking all REs that are currently in game, and giving them a 5 second activation time. Sounds like a nerf to me, even at the standard level which is already at 4 seconds, and especially at proto, which will more than double the activation time. going from 5/4/3 to 5/5/5 because last time I wanted to increase this time all the scouts yelled, "no I need the three seconds to kill tanks", to which I now reply with a packed RE with 3/3/3, high damage and almost no radius. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

voidfaction Nos Nothi 666	Posted - 2014.12.13 09:53:00 - [26489] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Also: I keep seeing that REs are bing nerfed, it was to my understanding that REs were being balenced, and there will be a new AV RE. If it's infact a nerf can someone send me a link to the post that directly states so, I'm flying blind currently. Its mentioned as part of the Hotfix Echo discussions here. I don't know if the conversation has changed any, but the talk was taking all REs that are currently in game, and giving them a 5 second activation time. Sounds like a nerf to me, even at the standard level which is already at 4 seconds, and especially at proto, which will more than double the activation time. going from 5/4/3 to 5/5/5 because last time I wanted to increase this time all the scouts yelled, "no I need the three seconds to kill tanks", to which I now reply with a packed RE with 3/3/3, high damage and almost no radius. You didn't really believe it was to kill tanks did you, lol My flux grenade needs a sleek version to kill tanks too. Maybe with that lie ill get some that can be thrown on top of towers
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 512	Posted - 2014.12.13 10:26:00 - [26490] - Quote It was to kill tanks. Personally I love the idea of packed RE's, and you do need a short activation time for AV because the activation time is also the reload time, so it drastically reduces your ability to place multiple REs on target. I would complain that 3s is still longer than the original reload time for higher tiers of RE, but hopefully the increased damage will make up for this. Tanks just don't seem common enough for me to use AV RE's at the moment though. It was nice to have the flexibility of the old ones to hit tanks or infantry and I used to use them like this a lot, but I hardly ever RE a tank anymore. If small blasters were made good, and people commonly used tanks for anti infantry, perhaps I would consider fitting some packed REs. They would be good for a dedicated RE scout with a swarm launcher. Forge guns are more my cup of tea when it comes to AV though. I think you should be careful about nerfing normal RE activation time. You don't want to get in the way of people using them properly. 5 seconds is a long time. Will you be able to lay a trap round a corner and have time to detonate it? Maybe the throw distance should be looked at instead. I agree they shouldn't be used like grenades.



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