On snipers,

My main assumption was that Thale's zoom was the major problem, i.e. only counterable by another Thale.

Riddle me this, Appia specifically and Symbiotik if you are here.

1)How far can you really shoot with the Thale's, what are regular and necessary ranges, 400, 500 or 600, to be an effective, team helping sniper?

2) Pretend we reduce the Thale's zoom down to whatever proto is right now. Is the zoom the limiting factor on range or would you need to within 400 metres anyway with proto zoom?

3) If we buff headshot damage so that a proto sniper can down a sentinel in 2, or even 1 and and a body shot, you really only need to have 300 to 450 range, right? Since you don't have the Thale zoom anymore?

4) Why only cal sent right now, I didn't do the math, but galogis with 3 dmg mods would seem ok? Is there ever a case for a long range scout sniper?

5) I would prefer that the tactical sniper could be a scout "shoot and relocate" weapon, that can be effective outside of Rail Rifle and Laser range. Is there a way? Reduced sway maybe, but not quickscoping. If you are being chased, a body shot and followup with smg should be scary to the chaser.

I am really really HOTFIX Disappoint.

Lag, bugs that have been around for over a year, just lots of bad stuff. I didn't even cap out on my 3 day omega booster because it is just too bad to play for a long time. All the bad stuff just magnifies like crazy.

And to see you guys bickering about sniper rifles like it's such a priority...


The reason this game, and every future game CCP will be bad is because they have no sense of what is a priority and what isn't. To look at them develop their product so purposefully self cut off at the knees... what a horrible dumb joke.

I can't even take this bullshit seriously anymore.

The Lag, bugs that have been here over a year has done been argued pointed out and not fixed so it's beating a dead horse.
Not saying sniper is more important just figure if it is not fixed in a year and we are not getting any more client updates then they probably can't be fixed in server side hotfixes either.

When was the last time we got to debate, argue, shoot and stab each other over sniper fixes?
You know we have a great group for that kind of thing.
How do we fight each other over lag and bugs?

I got Lag
< NO YOU JUST SUCK
no really my game is laging
< THATS BECAUSE YOU SUCK
no its because the servers are slow
< THEY ARE SLOW BECAUSE YOU SUCK
stab, stab, stab
now you suck because i killed you while I was laging

Would that be better?

On snipers,

My main assumption was that Thale's zoom was the major problem, i.e. only counterable by another Thale.

Riddle me this, Appia specifically and Symbiotik if you are here.

1)How far can you really shoot with the Thale's, what are regular and necessary ranges, 400, 500 or 600, to be an effective, team helping sniper?

2) Pretend we reduce the Thale's zoom down to whatever proto is right now. Is the zoom the limiting factor on range or would you need to within 400 metres anyway with proto zoom?

3) If we buff headshot damage so that a proto sniper can down a sentinel in 2, or even 1 and and a body shot, you really only need to have 300 to 450 range, right? Since you don't have the Thale zoom anymore?

4) Why only cal sent right now, I didn't do the math, but galogis with 3 dmg mods would seem ok? Is there ever a case for a long range scout sniper?

5) I would prefer that the tactical sniper could be a scout "shoot and relocate" weapon, that can be effective outside of Rail Rifle and Laser range. Is there a way? Reduced sway maybe, but not quickscoping. If you are being chased, a body shot and followup with smg should be scary to the chaser.

I am really really HOTFIX Disappoint.

Lag, bugs that have been around for over a year, just lots of bad stuff. I didn't even cap out on my 3 day omega booster because it is just too bad to play for a long time. All the bad stuff just magnifies like crazy.

And to see you guys bickering about sniper rifles like it's such a priority...


The reason this game, and every future game CCP will be bad is because they have no sense of what is a priority and what isn't. To look at them develop their product so purposefully self cut off at the knees... what a horrible dumb joke.

I can't even take this bullshit seriously anymore.

It's simple math really, fix the game so it's as balanced and fun as possible, i.e. no blatant FOTM, matchmaking, rewards etc by changing backend values. Then use all the information and feedback we have to fix bugs and change content we can only do with a client update, when and if we believe it will be the right thing to do. Stabilize and grow.

BAMM HAVOC sounds like a South African to me....

good guess sir, would you like another

He sounds like a drunkard that's stuffed his face full of bacon, always wary he's about to have a clogged artery interrupt his gaming experience.

The wariness also comes from imagining surviving and having a doctor tell him "no more beer or bacon."

Speaking of FoTM, had you decided on what the Projectile Damage profile should be? Because I think most need to be changed.

Explosive: -15/+15
Projectile: -10/+10
Rail: -5/+5
Blaster: +5/-5
Pulse: +10/-10
Beam: +15/-15

Because if Hybrid is split into 2 categories so should laser weapons

*whistles innocently after proposing personal agenda*

It's simple math really, fix the game so it's as balanced and fun as possible, i.e. no blatant FOTM, matchmaking, rewards etc by changing backend values. Then use all the information and feedback we have to fix bugs and change content we can only do with a client update, when and if we believe it will be the right thing to do. Stabilize and grow.

Speaking of FoTM, had you decided on what the Projectile Damage profile should be? Because I think most need to be changed.

Explosive: -15/+15
Projectile: -10/+10
Rail: -5/+5
Blaster: +5/-5
Pulse: +10/-10
Beam: +15/-15

Because if Hybrid is split into 2 categories so should laser weapons

*whistles innocently after proposing personal agenda*

I'm back guys! It sure has been awhile!
I come back on the forums and have like 7000 notifications.
What's changed since I've been gone?

So much talk of balance from people who run around cloaked with shotguns and re's.......................................


Heavies needs addressing

Scouts with shotguns and re's need addressing

Matchmaking needs addressing



In planetside 2, they don't allow shotguns and c4 for the infiltrator class with damn good reason. You have to actually be good in planetside 2.

Here though, being a crutchy scrubcake is the norm and defended en masse.

On snipers,

My main assumption was that Thale's zoom was the major problem, i.e. only counterable by another Thale.

Riddle me this, Appia specifically and Symbiotik if you are here.

1)How far can you really shoot with the Thale's, what are regular and necessary ranges, 400, 500 or 600, to be an effective, team helping sniper?

2) Pretend we reduce the Thale's zoom down to whatever proto is right now. Is the zoom the limiting factor on range or would you need to within 400 metres anyway with proto zoom?

3) If we buff headshot damage so that a proto sniper can down a sentinel in 2, or even 1 and and a body shot, you really only need to have 300 to 450 range, right? Since you don't have the Thale zoom anymore?

4) Why only cal sent right now, I didn't do the math, but galogis with 3 dmg mods would seem ok? Is there ever a case for a long range scout sniper?

5) I would prefer that the tactical sniper could be a scout "shoot and relocate" weapon, that can be effective outside of Rail Rifle and Laser range. Is there a way? Reduced sway maybe, but not quickscoping. If you are being chased, a body shot and followup with smg should be scary to the chaser.

The song of my people! Are you also a fellow scrublord like my self? XD

In a post about snipers you said the assumption was that they used KB/M, thought that this was an important matter than definitely needed to be pointed out.

Wait there is someone else besides me who uses the KB/M without using a GIMX / Eagle Eye / XIM?

300 meters won't be enough of a nerf. Look at the map with five points, tall tower in middle, with an L shaped pipe beside it (on skirmish, B is under the pipe and A is across a bridge also in view of the pipe). A sniper on the side that spawns in the MCC near E can camp up the mountains behind their MCC so that they have eyes on all A and most of B. As a scout, I know that they can one shot me.

Wouldn't it be much easier to just force players NOT to fight in the redline - - like by adding an allied redline timer. Or give me 5 minutes of invulnerability to their redline timer so that I can go melee the redline sniper to death just for ruining what would be a fun match.

P.S. The only sniper I've EVER seen being relevant in a PC match in this game is Symbiotic. And he did it with pre- and post-Charlie mechanics. So Rattati either go with your gut about how they feel in pubs or ask Symbiotic how they could be useful in PC.

No, you completely took that out of context.

No one uses KB/M, DS3 is better for sniping.

It's simple math really, fix the game so it's as balanced and fun as possible, i.e. no blatant FOTM, matchmaking, rewards etc by changing backend values. Then use all the information and feedback we have to fix bugs and change content we can only do with a client update, when and if we believe it will be the right thing to do. Stabilize and grow.