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Adipem Nothi wrote:

IgniteableAura wrote:

It was more based on muscle memory. All the frames had different turn speeds. Not just heavy. I would swap between all three frames in chrome and it was very frustrating to swap. Thats the only issue I see with changing the speed caps. Its really difficult to relearn how to aim. Go from 100 sensitivity down to 20 in a single game and notice how difficult it gets.

Having a single frame turn slower like a heavy probably wouldnt be too bad as long as dispersion was increased on the HMG. ITs still way too accurate. You don't need fine aiming if you have an HMG with decent dispersion as well as slow turn speed. You don't need to be accurate, aka have fine turning like you would with a rifle. Would make heavys utilize their own weapons more as well. Could be beneficial overall.

I don't know that I agree. In my mind, equivalent rotation speeds between a 250HP character and a 1,500HP can't be justified, even "its difficult for a merc to adapt when he switches between frames."

Pirouetting Heavies fly in the face of reason, balance, physics and llastronomy :-)

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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1851	Posted - 2014.06.15 06:39:00 - [15541] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: I was hoping mathpia haerrthmatic or fat bastard could utilize their charisma for shotgun loves. Asking for shotgun love, eh? While Hit Detection's wonky at times, I feel like my damage output with is OK against most non-Heavies as long as I'm running Adv / Pro. Heavies present a 'bit of a problem, but I think it has more to do with their combined staying power and pirouette speed than my damage output ... :: Plunk :: [heavy bunny hops / rotates mid-air] :: Plunk :: [heavy's nearly facing me, firing wildly] :: Plunk :: [heavy's backpedaled beyond my optimal] Two plunks is generally the most I get off before I'm face-to-face with a target. Two plunks is not even half of what I need to drop a well-equipped Gal Sentinel. So what do we do? * ~~Pack REs for Gal Heavies?~~ - Rattati says "good luck with that" * ~~Reduce backpedal speed?~~ - Logibro said no * Ask for more SG damage / range? * Rework for efficiency vs armor? * Reduce heavy rotation speed? Methinks buffing the Shotgun on account of Heavies may make it too good against non-Heavies. So I say we shoot for the last one. The Pirouette is cute, but its causing problems. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
mollerz 3644	Posted - 2014.06.15 06:45:00 - [15542] - Quote Lucky 777! Man.. I was just lurking some poss, and boy, IWS sure drank the CCP kool aid. WTF happened to him. Your Welcome
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3645	Posted - 2014.06.15 07:03:00 - [15543] - Quote mollerz wrote: Lucky 777! Man.. I was just lurking some poss, and boy, IWS sure drank the CCP kool aid. WTF happened to him. It happened long ago but NDA prohibited his sharing of the Kool Aid Remember the "We need a name thread" He was a Legionnaire back then KRRROOOOOOM
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 899	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:07:00 - [15544] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: mollerz wrote: Lucky 777! Man.. I was just lurking some poss, and boy, IWS sure drank the CCP kool aid. WTF happened to him. It happened long ago but NDA prohibited his sharing of the Kool Aid Remember the "We need a name thread" He was a Legionnaire back then Indeed when they announced Legion at FailFest. I recalled that thread and face palmed a lil. My Destiny Will Be Streamed
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 561	Posted - 2014.06.15 10:35:00 - [15545] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Methinks buffing the Shotgun on account of Heavies may make it too good against non-Heavies. So I say we shoot for rotation speed. The Jumping Pirouette is cute, but its causing problems. As I've already said, the sentinel in me agrees with this, and the scout that keeps having to deal with them also agrees. Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others Hit me up for Skype and PSN
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 561	Posted - 2014.06.15 10:36:00 - [15546] - Quote DPLAK! Anybody know who this guy is? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=165329&find=unread Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others Hit me up for Skype and PSN
Spademan the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 1916	Posted - 2014.06.15 11:21:00 - [15547] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: mollerz wrote: Lucky 777! Man.. I was just lurking some poss, and boy, IWS sure drank the CCP kool aid. WTF happened to him. It happened long ago but NDA prohibited his sharing of the Kool Aid Remember the "We need a name thread" He was a Legionnaire back then I still vote for Legionhare as the Legion name. @Legoose: Nope, never knew that was your sig. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2917	Posted - 2014.06.15 14:57:00 - [15548] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Methinks buffing the Shotgun on account of Heavies may make it too good against non-Heavies. So I say we shoot for rotation speed. The Jumping Pirouette is cute, but its causing problems. As I've already said, the sentinel in me agrees with this, and the scout that keeps having to deal with them also agrees. We should bring the the shotgun and compare it to Remote Explosives. . . because Rattati needed to mess with REs so that people were more likely to use proto. Shotguns take the same number of shots to kill regardless of tier Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1857	Posted - 2014.06.15 15:17:00 - [15549] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Methinks buffing the Shotgun on account of Heavies may make it too good against non-Heavies. So I say we shoot for rotation speed. The Jumping Pirouette is cute, but its causing problems. As I've already said, the sentinel in me agrees with this, and the scout that keeps having to deal with them also agrees. We should bring the the shotgun and compare it to Remote Explosives. . . because Rattati needed to mess with REs so that people were more likely to use proto. Shotguns take the same number of shots to kill regardless of tier I've been running Creodron w/two damage amps. Could be my imagination, but I think it saves me a blast against Sentinel gk.0s ... Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1859	Posted - 2014.06.15 15:19:00 - [15550] - Quote Calling all Bastards! Time to blow some minds with your ninja prowess! Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2354	Posted - 2014.06.15 15:22:00 - [15551] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Forgive if I've misunderstood, my brain is in "late night out" aftermath mode, but did someone say the shotgun is broken/bugged? If so please point me to details so I can A) prod CCP about it and B) maybe feel less bad about my aim Perhaps not broken, but behaving badly. Details here courtesy of our very own Igginbotham. Thanks will read. Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1252	Posted - 2014.06.15 15:32:00 - [15552] - Quote Llast 32 wrote: Oh... I see how it is... Good Day And llastmathic? Im not very creative. Youtube
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1859	Posted - 2014.06.15 15:35:00 - [15553] - Quote @ Iggy We should record some testing to get a better handle on the mid-air pirouette. Heavies insist their rotation speed is sufficiently slow; methinks this maneuver accelerates it by large factor. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
mollerz 3648	Posted - 2014.06.15 16:24:00 - [15554] - Quote Spademan wrote: It happened long ago but NDA prohibited his sharing of the Kool Aid Remember the "We need a name thread" He was a Legionnaire back then I still vote for Legionhare as the Legion name. [/quote] I agree.. legionaire would be better than legion. Legion? hmmm.. where have I heard that to death and beyond? Oh yea.. when that lame little hacker circlejerk group ripped off that movie based off a comic book. Your Welcome
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1866	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:02:00 - [15555] - Quote @ Everyone It appears that speed-tanked Scout rotates at exactly the same speed as an max-armored Heavy. Does anyone have reason to believe that this observation is wrong? PS: I know I'm late to the party on all this stuff ... I've quite literally never run a Heavy Suit :-) Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
voidfaction Void of Faction 270	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:17:00 - [15556] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Everyone It appears that speed-tanked Scout rotates at exactly the same speed as an max-armored Heavy. Does anyone have reason to believe that this observation is wrong? PS: I know I'm late to the party on all this stuff ... I've quite literally never run a Heavy Suit :-) I rotate slower than everyone anyway with my sensitivity at 6x 6y
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2922	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:28:00 - [15557] - Quote You need a capture card to prove it. All you need to do is get a MLT Gal Heavy frame. Rotate on camera, using the device to time a full circle and watch for acceleration. add a plate to the fit. repeat. add a second plate to the fit. repeat. do the same on the Gal Scout. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3652	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:28:00 - [15558] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Llast 32 wrote: Oh... I see how it is... Good Day And llastmathic? Im not very creative. That is about as good as my maths KRRROOOOOOM
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 517	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:44:00 - [15559] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Everyone It appears that speed-tanked Scout rotates at exactly the same speed as an max-armored Heavy. Does anyone have reason to believe that this observation is wrong? PS: I know I'm late to the party on all this stuff ... I've quite literally never run a Heavy Suit :-) Not sure if it is exactly the same or not but I remember the change when players were arguing that the lack of turn speed messed with their aiming capability and second nature feel they wanted. The argument was role playing vs competitive shooter "Shine bright like a diamond"
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1255	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:52:00 - [15560] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Everyone It appears that speed-tanked Scout rotates at exactly the same speed as an max-armored Heavy. Does anyone have reason to believe that this observation is wrong? PS: I know I'm late to the party on all this stuff ... I've quite literally never run a Heavy Suit :-) Not sure if it is exactly the same or not but I remember the change when players were arguing that the lack of turn speed messed with their aiming capability and second nature feel they wanted. The argument was role playing vs competitive shooter It was more based on muscle memory. All the frames had different turn speeds. Not just heavy. I would swap between all three frames in chrome and it was very frustrating to swap. Thats the only issue I see with changing the speed caps. Its really difficult to relearn how to aim. Go from 100 sensitivity down to 20 in a single game and notice how difficult it gets. Having a single frame turn slower like a heavy probably wouldnt be too bad as long as dispersion was increased on the HMG. ITs still way too accurate. You don't need fine aiming if you have an HMG with decent dispersion as well as slow turn speed. You don't need to be accurate, aka have fine turning like you would with a rifle. Would make heavys utilize their own weapons more as well. Could be beneficial overall. Youtube

Jaceon Pale-eye OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 132	Posted - 2014.06.15 19:11:00 - [15561] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: DPLAK! Anybody know who this guy is? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=165329&find=unread Don't know if like. Vote Appia Vibbia for CPM1 or I'll stab you in the neck! (ingame m8 m8 o7 o7)
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 474	Posted - 2014.06.15 19:28:00 - [15562] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Methinks buffing the Shotgun on account of Heavies may make it too good against non-Heavies. So I say we shoot for rotation speed. The Jumping Pirouette is cute, but its causing problems. As I've already said, the sentinel in me agrees with this, and the scout that keeps having to deal with them also agrees. We should bring the the shotgun and compare it to Remote Explosives. . . because Rattati needed to mess with REs so that people were more likely to use proto. Shotguns take the same number of shots to kill regardless of tier Id advocate for a STD and MLT shotgun nerf (especially because they are easier to use due to higher spread, allowing for those who can't aim to use them more easily), ADV maybe needs a slight buff, or should stay the same, and PRO NEEDS a buff What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2011	Posted - 2014.06.15 19:48:00 - [15563] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Llast 32 wrote: Oh... I see how it is... Good Day And llastmathic? Im not very creative. Llastenometry? This is how a minja feels
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3655	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:25:00 - [15564] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Llast 32 wrote: Oh... I see how it is... Good Day And llastmathic? Im not very creative. Llastenometry? Llastenometry: concerned with questions of shape, size, relative position of explosives, and the properties of space. KRRROOOOOOM
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1923	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:42:00 - [15565] - Quote mollerz wrote: Spademan wrote: mollerz wrote: It happened long ago but NDA prohibited his sharing of the Kool Aid Remember the "We need a name thread" He was a Legionnaire back then I still vote for Legionhare as the Legion name. I agree.. legionaire would be better than legion. Legion? hmmm.. where have I heard that to death and beyond? Oh yea.. when that lame little hacker circlejerk group ripped off that movie based off a comic book. Oh no, Legionhares. In keeping with the rabbity theme established by us Dust Bunnies. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1889	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:43:00 - [15566] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: It was more based on muscle memory. All the frames had different turn speeds. Not just heavy. I would swap between all three frames in chrome and it was very frustrating to swap. Thats the only issue I see with changing the speed caps. Its really difficult to relearn how to aim. Go from 100 sensitivity down to 20 in a single game and notice how difficult it gets. Having a single frame turn slower like a heavy probably wouldnt be too bad as long as dispersion was increased on the HMG. ITs still way too accurate. You don't need fine aiming if you have an HMG with decent dispersion as well as slow turn speed. You don't need to be accurate, aka have fine turning like you would with a rifle. Would make heavys utilize their own weapons more as well. Could be beneficial overall. I don't know that I agree. In my mind, equivalent rotation speeds between a 250HP character and a 1,500HP can't be justified, even "its difficult for a merc to adapt when he switches between frames." Pirouetting Heavies fly in the face of reason, balance, physics and llastronomy :-) Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3658	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:49:00 - [15567] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: It was more based on muscle memory. All the frames had different turn speeds. Not just heavy. I would swap between all three frames in chrome and it was very frustrating to swap. Thats the only issue I see with changing the speed caps. Its really difficult to relearn how to aim. Go from 100 sensitivity down to 20 in a single game and notice how difficult it gets. Having a single frame turn slower like a heavy probably wouldnt be too bad as long as dispersion was increased on the HMG. ITs still way too accurate. You don't need fine aiming if you have an HMG with decent dispersion as well as slow turn speed. You don't need to be accurate, aka have fine turning like you would with a rifle. Would make heavys utilize their own weapons more as well. Could be beneficial overall. I don't know that I agree. In my mind, equivalent rotation speeds between a 250HP character and a 1,500HP can't be justified, even "its difficult for a merc to adapt when he switches between frames." Pirouetting Heavies fly in the face of reason, balance, physics and llastronomy :-) I use Llastenomy to make Heavies fly all the time KRRROOOOOOM
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1925	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:54:00 - [15568] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: I use Llastenomy to make Heavies fly all the time At this juncture I feel it prudent to say that I am a master of Spadistics. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1927	Posted - 2014.06.15 22:56:00 - [15569] - Quote Calling all yanks. What's so great about the following: 1. Cold Turkey. 2. Leftover Pizza. I only ask because I see them brought up frequently in imported media. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2360	Posted - 2014.06.15 22:59:00 - [15570] - Quote Ha, you beat me too it Nothi Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate



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