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Adipem Nothi wrote:

Alrighty guys, let's Brainstorm.

I know lots of you have made up your minds, but humor me once again. Let's get a our plan together and present it to Rattati.

Problem: The MinScout is too easily scanned.

Many have suggested that nerfing CalScout precision will solve the MinScout problem. Perhaps this is the only way, but we should at least explore other options. Reason being, nerfing CalScout Precision (1) will represent a direct buff to the GalScout and (2) will encourage CalScouts to forgo recon in favor of HP Tank.

Question: What possibilities exist wherein we might aid the MinScout without nerfing CalScout?

A) Swap MinScout High Slot for Low Slot (2/4 vs 3/3)
B) Buff NK Damage by 25%; change MinScout racial bonus to +% efficacy of Damps
C) Alter MinScout's base Scan Profile statistic
D) Change all Scout Bonuses to +% efficacy of Damps
E) Change all Scout Bonuses or -% Scan Profile

Your turn ... spitball with me. Let's list all possibilities then widdle them down to what's tenable.

@ Haerr / Mathppia
Assuming a CalScout precision nerf is the only tenable option, what would be the optimal CalScout Racial Bonus %? How would that new % translate in terms of GalScout evasion?

PS: o/ Patrick!

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Haerr Legio DXIV 771	Posted - 2014.06.07 16:54:00 - [15031] - Quote But hey at least they are saying that they have fixed it. Took them bloody long enough though. slowdown on hit...
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1822	Posted - 2014.06.07 19:43:00 - [15032] - Quote How will hit detection work now that were aren't glued in place? The horror!!! The REAL Internet King
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1843	Posted - 2014.06.07 23:34:00 - [15033] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: How will hit detection work now that were aren't glued in place? The horror!!! I fear we may have to endure working mechanics I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1500	Posted - 2014.06.08 01:01:00 - [15034] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention. If I were to make some officer Nova Knives, I would need a name to put on them. !!! Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
mollerz 3631	Posted - 2014.06.08 01:40:00 - [15035] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention. If I were to make some officer Nova Knives, I would need a name to put on them. !!! Tell them to do a search for who ever has the most knife kills.. and there ya go. I;d say probably musturd, but you never know if there are sleeper knifers out there. Your Welcome
mollerz 3631	Posted - 2014.06.08 01:41:00 - [15036] - Quote For you PS4 owners.. war thunder is ******* awesome. awesome. I'm having a bast.. free 2 play as well. Your Welcome
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1325	Posted - 2014.06.08 04:27:00 - [15037] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention. If I were to make some officer Nova Knives, I would need a name to put on them. !!! It's got to be mustard knives. It just works so well. Knowledge is power
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1325	Posted - 2014.06.08 04:30:00 - [15038] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Brokerib wrote: While CCP are actually bothering to respond, thought I'd put up a request. Let me know if you can think of any specifics you'd like to know. MATHAMATICAL! Which numbers / rules are we missing? It's more confirmation of what we have than anything else. While a lot of what has been complied by the playerbase works, it's based on trial and error and sometimes comes up lacking. If we can get actual details then it will make a difference. Even things like when rounding is applied in a calucaltion can make a substantial difference over three modules. Knowledge is power
Ghost Kaisar The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 5144	Posted - 2014.06.08 05:02:00 - [15039] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention. If I were to make some officer Nova Knives, I would need a name to put on them. !!! It's got to be musturd knives. It just works so well. Edit: DPLAK! Honestly, they should be the BK-201 Nova Knives But alas, they need a name in front of them.... Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1851	Posted - 2014.06.08 09:57:00 - [15040] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Brokerib wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention. If I were to make some officer Nova Knives, I would need a name to put on them. !!! It's got to be musturd knives. It just works so well. Edit: DPLAK! Honestly, they should be the BK-201 Nova Knives But alas, they need a name in front of them.... Mustard's BK-201 Nothi Knives. I think it works. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community

Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 532	Posted - 2014.06.08 11:35:00 - [15041] - Quote mollerz wrote: For you PS4 owners.. war thunder is ******* awesome. awesome. I'm having a bast.. free 2 play as well. I played it for a few weeks, pretty fun, had some epic moments doing dive bombs with a fighter on my tail. Decent way to waste an afternoon but really couldn't take it that seriously. I'm only up to tier 2, I found you can't squad with people too much higher a level than you or you only get pulled up into their class and get stomped. I'm on my phone and don't know my PSN off by heart, I posted it down stairs in the leaving dust thread. Feel free to add me and we can rule the skies. Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others Hit me up for Skype and PSN
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1854	Posted - 2014.06.08 11:58:00 - [15042] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: mollerz wrote: For you PS4 owners.. war thunder is ***** awesome. awesome. I'm having a bast.. free 2 play as well. I played it for a few weeks, pretty fun, had some epic moments doing dive bombs with a fighter on my tail. Decent way to waste an afternoon but really couldn't take it that seriously. I'm only up to tier 2, I found you can't squad with people too much higher a level than you or you only get pulled up into their class and get stomped. I'm on my phone and don't know my PSN off by heart, I posted it down stairs in the leaving dust thread. Feel free to add me and we can rule the skies. Or ground even, it's got Tanks too, doesn't it? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community**
Patrlck 56 409	Posted - 2014.06.08 13:47:00 - [15043] - Quote I logged into this character.... and had 3000 notifications, all from this thread.... Best hatemail
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1854	Posted - 2014.06.08 14:15:00 - [15044] - Quote What happened Paddy? You just like, left one day. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2834	Posted - 2014.06.08 14:18:00 - [15045] - Quote Sounds about right. This is why you can't leave once you've joined. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14237	Posted - 2014.06.08 14:18:00 - [15046] - Quote He's been struggling with his duties as CEO of FA, but he's been deposed now. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2300	Posted - 2014.06.08 14:46:00 - [15047] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Brokerib wrote: While CCP are actually bothering to respond, thought I'd put up a request. Let me know if you can think of any specifics you'd like to know. MATHAMATICAL! Which numbers / rules are we missing? It's more confirmation of what we have than anything else. While a lot of what has been complied by the playerbase works, it's based on trial and error and sometimes comes up lacking. If we can get actual details then it will make a difference. Even things like when rounding is applied in a calculation can make a substantial difference over three modules. [More lengthy rant about increasing transparency redacted] This, to me, is fundamental to proper game transparency. As much as possible such information should be available within the game client itself. But where that might be cumbersome (rounding protocols for example) it should be in a readily available and clearly labeled document post and updated by CCP via these forums. I do not mind testing even once a game is live, what I do mind is having to go through extensive testing simply to nail down an approximation of what the current in game mechanics actually are, and then still have holes in our knowledge of what is working as intended and what is not. Putting lots of time into a project (even a game) =/= having all that time wasted. And I'd like to minimize the latter, for everyone, as much as possible. 0.02 ISK Cross Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1507	Posted - 2014.06.08 14:50:00 - [15048] - Quote o/ Patrick! Alrighty guys, let's Brainstorm. I know lots of you have made up your minds, but humor me once again. Let's get a our plan together and present it to Rattati. Problem: The MinScout is too easily scanned. Many have suggested that nerfing CalScout precision will solve the MinScout problem. Perhaps this is the only way, but we should at least explore other options. Reason being, nerfing CalScout Precision (1) represents a direct buff to the GalScout and (2) risks more CalScout foregoing recon in favor of HP Tanking. Question: What possibilities exist wherein we might aid the MinScout without nerfing CalScout? A) Swap MinScout High Slot for Low Slot (2/4 vs 3/3) B) Buff NK Damage by 25%; change MinScout racial bonus to +% efficacy of Damps C) Alter MinScout's base Scan Profile statistic D) Change all Scout Bonuses to +% efficacy of Damps E) Change all Scout Bonuses or -% Scan Profile Your turn ... Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2834	Posted - 2014.06.08 15:30:00 - [15049] - Quote I already posted my preferred solution in the feedback thread "psst, CCP Logibro" Doesn't really matter what the Cal-Scout bonus is, the Min-Scout is SOL as long as Gal-Bonus is to dampening. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Man of Spade Nos Nothi 275	Posted - 2014.06.08 15:36:00 - [15050] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Alrighty guys, let's Brainstorm. I know lots of you have made up your minds, but humor me once again. Let's get a our plan together and present it to Rattati. Problem: The MinScout is too easily scanned. Many have suggested that nerfing CalScout precision will solve the MinScout problem. Perhaps this is the only way, but we should at least explore other options. Reason being, nerfing CalScout Precision (1) will represent a direct buff to the GalScout and (2) will encourage CalScouts to forgo recon in favor of HP Tank. Question: What possibilities exist wherein we might aid the MinScout without nerfing CalScout? A) Swap MinScout High Slot for Low Slot (2/4 vs 3/3) B) Buff NK Damage by 25%; change MinScout racial bonus to +% efficacy of Damps C) Alter MinScout's base Scan Profile statistic D) Change all Scout Bonuses to +% efficacy of Damps E) Change all Scout Bonuses or -% Scan Profile Your turn ... spitball with me. Let's list all possibilities then widdle them down to what's tenable. @ Haerr / Mathppia Assuming a CalScout precision nerf is the only tenable option, what would be the optimal CalScout Racial Bonus %? How would that new % translate in terms of GalScout evasion? PS: o/ Patrick! My preferred options would be D or E (Also, I have no experience with Min Scouts) I also think an improvement to the Minmatar's speed would be helpful, perhaps an increase to the efficiency of Kincats or an increased base speed. Totally not Spademan. That guy is a real jackass. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community

Appia Nappia 879	Posted - 2014.06.08 15:42:00 - [15051] - Quote Its just really sad when it's been 13 months of people wanted faster scout speed. or kincat bonus. as long as it's Uprising speed is already capped out on where it is. Without a client update they won't be improving the game to the point when 11m/s doesn't break the game. We all want Scouts to have a meaningful difference in speed between scouts and medium frames. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1510	Posted - 2014.06.08 16:34:00 - [15052] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: I already posted my preferred solution in the feedback thread "psst, CCP Logibro" Doesn't really matter what the Cal-Scout bonus is, the Min-Scout is SOL as long as Gal-Bonus is to dampening. Kk. So your and Broker's ideas are similar ... CalScout: Scans are strong but short range. GalScout: Scans are weaker but long range (Broker's idea for Amarr). Current CalScout Scan Range 20.0m - Base 34.5m - Base + Max Passives 50.0m - Base + Max Passives + Cmp Range (1) 69.6m - Base + Max Passives + Cmp Range (2) Proposed CalScout Scan Range (No Range Bonus) 20.0m - Base 30.0m - Base + Max Passives 43.5m - Base + Max Passives + Cmp Range (1) 60.5m - Base + Max Passives + Cmp Range (2) Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1511	Posted - 2014.06.08 17:41:00 - [15053] - Quote Misunderstood Appia's bonus calculations ... Recalculating. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14257	Posted - 2014.06.08 17:48:00 - [15054] - Quote Saberwing gone. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1854	Posted - 2014.06.08 18:32:00 - [15055] - Quote Really? Damn, that's real shame. Are they just trying to cut as much ties to this community as they can? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1855	Posted - 2014.06.08 18:40:00 - [15056] - Quote And...we're the most viewed topic in the Locker Room. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3496	Posted - 2014.06.08 18:42:00 - [15057] - Quote Spademan wrote: And...we're the most viewed topic in the Locker Room. I am a little compulsive KRRROOOOOOM
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1855	Posted - 2014.06.08 18:47:00 - [15058] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Spademan wrote: And...we're the most viewed topic in the Locker Room. I am a little compulsive Yeah...I've been kinda watching the number count... I even screen capped the moment it got 1 over the other. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1512	Posted - 2014.06.08 19:07:00 - [15059] - Quote I've convinced myself that CalScouts scanning MinScouts is a good thing: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2199680#post2199680 Get in here guys, help me fix my thinking. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1839	Posted - 2014.06.08 19:32:00 - [15060] - Quote I don't mind repeating myself, but my thoughts with dampening are kind of in line with Appia's thoughts on speed (to which I also agree). I think this disparity is a symptom of an overall scanning/dampening mechanic in Chromosome, and we will end up just fixing one race to break another, to fix that to break another etc. IF I were going to make a suggestion it would be D. I think that dampening should be a scout thing, not a gal scout thing (maybe give them range, and give Amarr some armor bonus or something and make them a lighter stealthier assault). IF I were going to nerf the Cal, I would simply take away passive scan sharing. I don't mind having a Cal scout pick me up on radar if he gimped his suit to do it, I just don't like that all his squad mates got the privilege without the sacrifice. And I say that having ran into one of those bastards (lower case b, definitely not capital) that had his way with me. So long as it doesn't become terribly common, I feel that given time I could find a way to combat it. Just not all his buddies at the same time. The REAL Internet King



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