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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2480
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Posted - 2014.05.22 06:46:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Bastards Have a look hereChanges incoming, not directly to us but many things that will effect us Such as Cloak Damp bonus will be goneGǪ
We've all seen the scanning table. Many of us have created our own or link people to Haerr's (as his is nice and pretty). Please point out of terrible an idea it is to take away the dampening bonus because of the unfair situation it puts onto Minmatar Scout.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
2853
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Posted - 2014.05.22 06:55:00 -
[14372] - Quote
Appia Vibbia wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Bastards Have a look hereChanges incoming, not directly to us but many things that will effect us Such as Cloak Damp bonus will be goneGǪ We've all seen the scanning table. Many of us have created our own or link people to Haerr's (as his is nice and pretty). Please point out of terrible an idea it is to take away the dampening bonus because of the unfair situation it puts onto Minmatar Scout.
Awww sh't, as usual CCP only looks at only a sub-set of the issue at hand, and tries to solve it.... without analyzing impact on scouts (in this case) in general.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
653
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Posted - 2014.05.22 07:08:00 -
[14373] - Quote
No dampening bonus from cloak fields are going to hurt all scouts except the Gallente. It will help the Caldari a little bit by making it easier to pickup other scouts.
Hell some of my suits already use 2 dampeners (GalScout) simply because silly Caldari turn and CR me to death (almost) instantly when I am not using them.
This change will make precision vs dampening EWAR completely static, without any 'waves of opportunity' and any need to play around an advantage/disadvantage.
This is not the kind of tweak I expected CCP Rattati to make. I excepted better. Shame (and lol.) on me I guess.
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1160
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Posted - 2014.05.22 09:57:00 -
[14374] - Quote
Folks, the scout cloaking discussion has been moved to a seperate post by Rattati. Devs are paying attention, make sure you have your say.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2173435#post2173435
Otherwise it looks like some good changes.
Knowledge is power
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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
4832
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Posted - 2014.05.22 13:41:00 -
[14375] - Quote
Does this cover what you wanted Appia?
Headed to Destiny, to Hell with CCP
PSN: EVL_Elgost105
RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1163
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Posted - 2014.05.22 13:57:00 -
[14376] - Quote
You may need to report in this thread Ghost.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2173435#post2173435
Knowledge is power
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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
4832
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Posted - 2014.05.22 14:00:00 -
[14377] - Quote
Appia is all over that one, but I'll throw my two cents in
Headed to Destiny, to Hell with CCP
PSN: EVL_Elgost105
RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
887
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Posted - 2014.05.22 15:14:00 -
[14378] - Quote
Hopefully we'll soon see the FoTM crowd scrambling for another suit. Agreed that removing cloak's damp bonus will hurt non-GalScouts. Concerned that Minmatar will be further marginalized.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2173988#post2173988
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Xx-VxF-xX
Void of Faction
31
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Posted - 2014.05.22 15:23:00 -
[14379] - Quote
So everyone will be going to the Amarr suit. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
887
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Posted - 2014.05.22 15:26:00 -
[14380] - Quote
Xx-VxF-xX wrote: So everyone will be going to the Amarr suit.
Doubtful. Though that is the suit Milkman runs when he isn't in a Blaster Tank.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Xx-VxF-xX
Void of Faction
31
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Posted - 2014.05.22 15:34:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Xx-VxF-xX wrote: So everyone will be going to the Amarr suit.
Doubtful. Though that is the suit Milkman runs when he isn't in a Blaster Tank. sorry being sarcastic. As a gallente scout with so many options I really wanted to take a nerf to keep the cloak dampening so the other scouts were not hosed. But as Appia pointed out I am only a pub player and have no business trying to balance PC meta. So I left the battle to the PC meta crew to argue Gal vs Cal
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
887
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Posted - 2014.05.22 15:56:00 -
[14382] - Quote
Xx-VxF-xX wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Xx-VxF-xX wrote: So everyone will be going to the Amarr suit.
Doubtful. Though that is the suit Milkman runs when he isn't in a Blaster Tank. sorry being sarcastic. As a gallente scout with so many options I really wanted to take a nerf to keep the cloak dampening so the other scouts were not hosed. But as Appia pointed out I am only a pub player and have no business trying to balance PC meta. So I left the battle to the PC meta crew to argue Gal vs Cal Inclined to agree with you.
They could've nerfed the GalScout alone, though brick-tanked Amarr and dual-tanked Caldari would likely have emerged as FoTM substitutes. Removing cloak's dampening bonus is effectively a nerf to all Scouts; I seriously doubt we'll remain FoTM.
That said, this is a big hit to Minmatar, who were already underperforming.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Xx-VxF-xX
Void of Faction
34
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:01:00 -
[14383] - Quote
Who's going to the Indy 500? lol |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
887
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:04:00 -
[14384] - Quote
Xx-VxF-xX wrote:Who's going to the Indy 500? lol Are you Void Faction? Why the new alt?
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Xx-VxF-xX
Void of Faction
34
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:06:00 -
[14385] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Xx-VxF-xX wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Xx-VxF-xX wrote: So everyone will be going to the Amarr suit.
Doubtful. Though that is the suit Milkman runs when he isn't in a Blaster Tank. sorry being sarcastic. As a gallente scout with so many options I really wanted to take a nerf to keep the cloak dampening so the other scouts were not hosed. But as Appia pointed out I am only a pub player and have no business trying to balance PC meta. So I left the battle to the PC meta crew to argue Gal vs Cal Inclined to agree with you. They could've nerfed the GalScout alone, though brick-tanked Amarr and dual-tanked Caldari might have emerged as FoTM substitutes. Removing cloak's dampening bonus is effectively a nerf to all Scouts; it'll rule out substitutes and likely send FoTM-chasers into other frames. That said, this is a big hit to Minmatar who were already under-performing. Never understood why the class meant to use NK's don't have the best dampening. after all they are the ninja class
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Xx-VxF-xX
Void of Faction
34
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:07:00 -
[14386] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Xx-VxF-xX wrote:Who's going to the Indy 500? lol Are you Void Faction? Why the new alt? Can't discuss moderation on the forums ;-)
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
3180
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:10:00 -
[14387] - Quote
Xx-VxF-xX wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Xx-VxF-xX wrote:Who's going to the Indy 500? lol Are you Void Faction? Why the new alt? Can't discuss moderation on the forums ;-) Can't discuss the discussion of moderation either without drawing the gaze of the Great Eye of Logibro One does not simply discuss moderation
KRRROOOOOOM
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2515
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:30:00 -
[14388] - Quote
Llast 326 wrote: . . . without drawing the gaze of the Great Eye of Logibro . . .
I love that picture so much. Half the time when a thread gets locked, I giggle because he has that at the bottom of it
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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mollerz
3543
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Posted - 2014.05.22 18:28:00 -
[14389] - Quote
I tried to logibrocarebearstare logibro with his own eyes, but us plebeians can't imbed images.
So logibro replied to me with my own post and reverse logibro stared me back with my own post. Dude is brutal lol.
Your Welcome
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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
4838
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Posted - 2014.05.22 19:01:00 -
[14390] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Xx-VxF-xX wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Xx-VxF-xX wrote: So everyone will be going to the Amarr suit.
Doubtful. Though that is the suit Milkman runs when he isn't in a Blaster Tank. sorry being sarcastic. As a gallente scout with so many options I really wanted to take a nerf to keep the cloak dampening so the other scouts were not hosed. But as Appia pointed out I am only a pub player and have no business trying to balance PC meta. So I left the battle to the PC meta crew to argue Gal vs Cal Inclined to agree with you. They could've nerfed the GalScout alone, though brick-tanked Amarr and dual-tanked Caldari might have emerged as FoTM substitutes. Removing cloak's dampening bonus is effectively a nerf to all Scouts; it'll rule out substitutes and likely send FoTM-chasers into other frames. That said, this is a big hit to Minmatar who were already under-performing.
Why can't that suit get any love?
Headed to Destiny, to Hell with CCP
PSN: EVL_Elgost105
RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
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mollerz
3545
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Posted - 2014.05.22 19:56:00 -
[14391] - Quote
Like your sig Ghost!
Your Welcome
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Jaceon Pale-eye
DUST University Ivy League
17
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:43:00 -
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Stupid question time.
Active scanners: how the **** do they work?
I see youtube vids where someone pops the scan and sweeps it side to side. But I read somewhere in these forums that scanners had been nerfed to a snapshot at the moment you hit the trigger on the scanner, to get rid of that 360 scan sweep thing.
I need a better understanding of that game mechanic to help me understand some other mechanics. Help?
Also, I'm kinda new here so I don't wanna **** up Rattati's scout/cloak feedback thread too much. BUT, would it not be a non-gamebreaking thing to give the Minnie Scouts at ADV and PRO levels another low and a bit more CPU/PG to allow for a damp? Seems to me from the discussion that Minmatar's the only scout suit particularly hurting for low slots?
With the weekly SP bonus cap, it sucks to have yet another skill I need to train to level 5 in order to get to a place where I could possibly be considered "competitive" for PC at some future time, but I've been playing Eve for 7 years - I'm used to needing another skill at level 5. It's just kinda meh having to wait for it that much longer because of the cap. Even if I was inclined to spend money on passive boosters, I still feel like a dog on a very short leash straining toward a bone held out of reach sometimes.
Anyway, yeah. Active scan mechanics was the main point of posting. I should eat something. |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1706
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:55:00 -
[14393] - Quote
Jaceon Pale-eye wrote:Stupid question time.
Active scanners: how the **** do they work?
I see youtube vids where someone pops the scan and sweeps it side to side. But I read somewhere in these forums that scanners had been nerfed to a snapshot at the moment you hit the trigger on the scanner, to get rid of that 360 scan sweep thing.
I need a better understanding of that game mechanic to help me understand some other mechanics. Help?
Also, I'm kinda new here so I don't wanna **** up Rattati's scout/cloak feedback thread too much. BUT, would it not be a non-gamebreaking thing to give the Minnie Scouts at ADV and PRO levels another low and a bit more CPU/PG to allow for a damp? Seems to me from the discussion that Minmatar's the only scout suit particularly hurting for low slots?
With the weekly SP bonus cap, it sucks to have yet another skill I need to train to level 5 in order to get to a place where I could possibly be considered "competitive" for PC at some future time, but I've been playing Eve for 7 years - I'm used to needing another skill at level 5. It's just kinda meh having to wait for it that much longer because of the cap. Even if I was inclined to spend money on passive boosters, I still feel like a dog on a very short leash straining toward a bone held out of reach sometimes.
Anyway, yeah. Active scan mechanics was the main point of posting. I should eat something.
Scanners: Nowadays, you press the button, and they scan for I think about 1/2 a second, it's not instant, but quick, so you can get a little bit of a wider angle out of them. Any other questions about them? I'll help as much as I can.
The problem with that is it'd give them more slots than the others, and I think they want to keep them the same total number of high's and lows. (though the could make it a feature of minnie suits, one extra slot, who knows) They do need a bit of an increase in pg and cpu from what I gather. (Don't actually run them, maybe someone who does will give you a better picture)
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
913
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:58:00 -
[14394] - Quote
The Active Scanner takes a forward looking snapshot of a fixed Sector prescribed by the scanner's scan range and radius. Hostiles within the Sector whose profile is above the given Scanner's precision will be painted to your squad's TacNet. Painted hostiles will "blip" for an interval determined by the Scanner's "Duration" value.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Jaceon Pale-eye
DUST University Ivy League
17
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:58:00 -
[14395] - Quote
Ah, right. I didn't think about slot budget, which I remember being explained in an Eve-O devblog not too long ago. I failed to consider that... much as I'd like another low, I don't fancy giving up a high, either, so... fair enough, I suppose.
And thanks for the AS clarification! o7 |
Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
373
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Posted - 2014.05.22 22:08:00 -
[14396] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Didn't realize that this was possible.
Certainly gets around the bumpy terrain issue, and like most people, they hardly ever look up...
Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others
Hit me up for Skype and PSN
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1707
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Posted - 2014.05.22 22:12:00 -
[14397] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Didn't realize that this was possible. Oh yeah, I've seen that a few times. Pretty entertaining to watch. I've also seen people use mlt tanks, strap RE's to them and start ramming.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
374
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Posted - 2014.05.22 22:46:00 -
[14398] - Quote
I posted this in NN but I'll throw it here as well for those who maybe don't hang out there so much any more or never did.
Seems everyone is hating on the Gal scout.
I admit I haven't been around much for 1.8. Scouted for maybe 15 matches total so far of this build as I keep getting summonsed to drive tanks for PC and generally been busy with other stuff (thanks to Monk for picking me up! God matchmaking went down hill fast, apologies for the rage)
Played a few matches today and it seemed the like opposition was all Cal scouts with plates in the lows doing the cloaked shotgun thing.
Was there some great Gallente wave I missed? Maybe I'm not doing it right: dampner, kincat, hacking mod and a plate, that's a scout build right?
I've always played gal scout in a sort of flanking, stealthy, hit from the side kinda way, so I guess I'm one of the much hated light assaults (Proto HP ~ 510)
I recognise Min/Amarr are pretty shafted and I'm not too happy about it, but I cant shake the feeling Cal is better for a light assault and the more problematic scout, or maybe I'm just having a harder time with them than most due to an error in the machinery between the controller and the chair.
Anyways... if Gal is really a cause for frustration I'd just like to put my hand up and say... oh ****, sorry. I just chose it cus my mains race is Gallente. :) Please don't hate me. At least I don't use a CR... amirite?
Addendum: For a long time I've been of the opinion that inherent suit bonuses are kinda stupid. You should actually have to equip the relevant mod/equipment etc to get the relevant bonus. What we've had for a long time in the player base is "take OP suit A, add OP weapon B and add as much Tank and Gank as possible." (See Slayer Logis/LW Sentinels)
As an example of what I'm meaning: Good: Gal Logi Scanner bonus (you actually have to equip and use a scanner to make it worth while) Bad: Gallente inherently hard to scan without damps.
Commandos sit somewhere a little different as their bonus only applies to specific weapon types. Same with Minja and knives, they do actually have to equip and use the knives.
The bonus should apply to actual things you fit. So Minnie could run around all speedy and stabby but if they wanna super hack, gotta equip a code breaker, same with Gal and being unscannable, gonna need damps.
To clarify, Gal scout+1 complex damp will remain the same in terms of difficulty to find, but without the damp they're no better than any other scout and you might as well be running a light frame.
So it's less about the suit that's EZ mode but the suit inherently being "easier" fit along a certain path.
Might be balanced in PC, will make running STD/BPOs in pub matches harder though, maybe.
TL:DR Bad scout rambles badly, apologises for his suit class. Has half arse'd idea ready to be shot down.
Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1170
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Posted - 2014.05.22 23:03:00 -
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It's not you Mal, it's us....
Nah, FOTMers have ruined the Gal unfortunately. Decloaking delay + shotgun, primacy of plate, and the inherent dampening bonus of the Gal combined with the cloak dampening is the issue, not the Gal per se. It just has the right bonus and the right slot layout to be abused by it. ~1000 eHP with an 18dB profile, still faster than a medium, and 37.5m of visability.
Hater's can't seperate the issues, and CCP can't run a proper fix, so this is what we get
Knowledge is power
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
1891
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Posted - 2014.05.22 23:22:00 -
[14400] - Quote
Scouts are doomed.... because CCP didn't buff us as requested. They overdid it... as we cautioned against. Now, we pay for their mistakes.... as we always do.
Situation normal: all ****** up.
Bayeth - I was raging as well... FOTM Cal/Gal + Tank stomp was not cool.... Fun being in squad with you, Marquess, Appia, Parkour (for one game....) as usual, though.
Double posting like a Kaiser.
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