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Bojo The Mighty wrote:

1.4 has completely changed the scout game.
I started running with my normal fits. I threw them away after two matches.

The scout game no longer includes HP modules. It's wasted space now-a-days. Even with em I get shredded by new aiming work and feel.

I put Scanning Modules on instead and to say mildly, it works. I mean of course I still get shredded but instead of wasted space for extenders or plates, I'm generally more aware so I can avoid the fray better (slightly)

I found out that the Tac AR is much easier to use with the new aiming, so I decided to start using that again. I'll try the burst AR but I doubt any improvement has happened.

I tried the mass driver but the fricken aim assist blows right through explosive kick and I get shredded. I will not set it down but it's gonna take a whole new, probably less effective than 1.3, approach.

Pistols haven't changed a whole lot, but I'm going to have to adjust sensitivity again, like any aiming patch.
Haven't got to use my RE's effectively, but I sense a disturbance in their use.

I would say, that if you played a scout like 1.3, they are worse in 1.4. However the stealth game seems to work a little better, but even then I can't confirm it to a degree without more investigation.

BTW Shotty, I have ADV range amplifiers now. Some noticeable improvement. I can stay outside AR range much better now.

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Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 46	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:05:00 - [1411] - Quote MIN Proto-scout still my favorited suit, but sadly it stopped being fun since 1.3. Waiting for the day the scout suit is viable again. Until then it is fast MIN Assault for me and Shotgun. Don't judge, I've been loyal to the cause since closed beta. KDR is too tough to recover at 11K+ kills. You should make a secondary list: X-Scouts registry since 1.3. This might ring just as loudly as how few are still running scout.
Z-eon PIanet Express 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:10:00 - [1412] - Quote As a new scout with only 1.3 Mil SP, I'm just not viable atm. Even militia fit suits cut me down in seconds with the new aim assist. :/
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 46	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:10:00 - [1413] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: MIN Proto-scout still my favorited suit, but sadly it stopped being fun since 1.3. Waiting for the day the scout suit is viable again. Until then it is fast MIN Assault for me and Shotgun. Don't judge, I've been loyal to the cause since closed beta. KDR is too tough to recover at 11K+ kills. You should make a secondary list: X-Scouts registry since 1.3. This might ring just as loudly as how few are still running scout. Should be noted that when 1.2 came out, all 8 or 9 mil SP went into shotty/nova scout exclusively. 1.2 and greater == crap for scout.
DISGRUNTLEDev Ancient Exiles 78	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:00:00 - [1414] - Quote Well, I'm back in the top 3 on the killboards, but had to completely change my fittings to get it to work. Used to have Crg-3 Shotgun, SMG, Remotes. Build now is Gall Adv GLU-5 TAR ZN Nova Knives A-45 Quantum Scanner Basic Dampener You can still sneak and get reliable one-shots, and have a good gun to back it up. GLU actually isn't bad for hipfire either. Aim assist, sigh
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1659	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:22:00 - [1415] - Quote 1.4 has completely changed the scout game. I started running with my normal fits. I threw them away after two matches. The scout game no longer includes HP modules. It's wasted space now-a-days. Even with em I get shredded by new aiming work and feel. I put Scanning Modules on instead and to say mildly, it works. I mean of course I still get shredded but instead of wasted space for extenders or plates, I'm generally more aware so I can avoid the fray better (slightly) I found out that the Tac AR is much easier to use with the new aiming, so I decided to start using that again. I'll try the burst AR but I doubt any improvement has happened. I tried the mass driver but the fricken aim assist blows right through explosive kick and I get shredded. I will not set it down but it's gonna take a whole new, probably less effective than 1.3, approach. Pistols haven't changed a whole lot, but I'm going to have to adjust sensitivity again, like any aiming patch. Haven't got to use my RE's effectively, but I sense a disturbance in their use. I would say, that if you played a scout like 1.3, they are worse in 1.4. However the stealth game seems to work a little better, but even then I can't confirm it to a degree without more investigation. BTW Shotty, I have ADV range amplifiers now. Some noticeable improvement. I can stay outside AR range much better now.
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 851	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:24:00 - [1416] - Quote Hey Scouts, I've put up an Feedback Thread on our present state of imbalance and would greatly appreciate your peer review: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1261454 Thank you, Shotty
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1381	Posted - 2013.09.04 19:06:00 - [1417] - Quote What happened to my sweet pistols? Stupid aim assist stops me headshotting but turning it off makes it miss everything! In the meantime ARs are knocking me down at 100m+; aim assist shouldn't work at that kind of range! SMGs are awesome for the sneak flank attacks on those dumb heavies though :)
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis 115	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:36:00 - [1418] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Sniper rifle with aim assist is kinda fun. Give it a go Might give it a try, but I don't know any good sniper spots. After seeing the effects of aim assist, I'm tempted to run with an AR.
DISGRUNTLEDev Ancient Exiles 86	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:39:00 - [1419] - Quote Just go to the spots where you normally introduce a knife into the heavy sniper's kidneys and try from there.
Driftward Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 450	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:07:00 - [1420] - Quote I'm still loving my RE's, was getting triple and quad kills last night even. No changes there that I've noticed anyways. The big stuff is in modules and shotguns. Range modules are king, especially if you use gallente suits. 2 complex modules nets you about 50 m radius with your other skills maxed. Tie that in with an active scanner and you can light everyone up for your squad. You become god in the ambush game mode. You're still useful in the other modes two. Just more of a point defense ninja than an attack ninja. Still possible to sneak and flank but if you get spotted, good night sally.

Lucifalic Baked n Loaded 74	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:22:00 - [1421] - Quote Just out curiosity and don't feel obglicated to answer but I was wondering where all our scoutly brothers are from and are you an old school gamer like I am. I'm in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada and 34 yrs old. Ps your never too old to play vids so don't let them tell you otherwise. ;)
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1665	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:25:00 - [1422] - Quote Django Quik wrote: What happened to my sweet pistols? Stupid aim assist stops me headshotting but turning it off makes it miss everything! In the meantime ARs are knocking me down at 100m+; aim assist shouldn't work at that kind of range! SMGs are awesome for the sneak flank attacks on those dumb heavies though :) It also took the fun out of them. There is no sense of fulfillment from The Kill anymore.
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 932	Posted - 2013.09.04 23:55:00 - [1423] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: Just out curiosity and don't feel obglicated to answer but I was wondering where all our scoutly brothers are from and are you an old school gamer like I am. I'm in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada and 34 yrs old. Ps your never too old to play vids so don't let them tell you otherwise. ;) ASL? You got it. 21/M/Milwaukee, Wi. I'm pretty modern. My first online console multiplayer was COD:MW2 I think. Only other multiplayer before that was were F2P PC MMOs I think.
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 875	Posted - 2013.09.05 00:09:00 - [1424] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: Just out curiosity and don't feel obglicated to answer but I was wondering where all our scoutly brothers are from and are you an old school gamer like I am. I'm in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada and 34 yrs old. Ps your never too old to play vids so don't let them tell you otherwise. ;) 30 yrs - Lafayette, Louisiana (US) - Software Developer Cut my geek teeth on a 486 Packard Bell. JumpJet, Dune, and Wolfenstein 3D. First competitive experience involved Battle.net, which shortly followed Al Gore's invention of the internets.
DISGRUNTLEDev Ancient Exiles 98	Posted - 2013.09.05 00:35:00 - [1425] - Quote 26 M - Fargo, North Dakota (US) - Network Security Perfect Dark and Quake starting out Lots and lots of BF 2142 and such while deployed.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 245	Posted - 2013.09.05 00:40:00 - [1426] - Quote well you might as well add me to the list 18-1900 kills and 1.18-1.2 KDR proto scout, you know it's me cause I got the only purple suit in the warbarge :)
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 807	Posted - 2013.09.05 00:41:00 - [1427] - Quote Puerto rican, Russian Family, i live in Costa Rica. DOOM series fan Got around 2000 hours into MAG. Best.Game.Ever. 27 Y.O.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1091	Posted - 2013.09.05 00:47:00 - [1428] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: Just out curiosity and don't feel obglicated to answer but I was wondering where all our scoutly brothers are from and are you an old school gamer like I am. I'm in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada and 34 yrs old. Ps your never too old to play vids so don't let them tell you otherwise. ;) I'm Bermudian o/ (that means I'm from bermuda )
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 412	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:01:00 - [1429] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: 1.4 has completely changed the scout game. I started running with my normal fits. I threw them away after two matches. The scout game no longer includes HP modules. It's wasted space now-a-days. Even with em I get shredded by new aiming work and feel. I put Scanning Modules on instead and to say mildly, it works. I mean of course I still get shredded but instead of wasted space for extenders or plates, I'm generally more aware so I can avoid the fray better (slightly) I found out that the Tac AR is much easier to use with the new aiming, so I decided to start using that again. I'll try the burst AR but I doubt any improvement has happened. I tried the mass driver but the fricken aim assist blows right through explosive kick and I get shredded. I will not set it down but it's gonna take a whole new, probably less effective than 1.3, approach. Pistols haven't changed a whole lot, but I'm going to have to adjust sensitivity again, like any aiming patch. Haven't got to use my RE's effectively, but I sense a disturbance in their use. I would say, that if you played a scout like 1.3, they are worse in 1.4. However the stealth game seems to work a little better, but even then I can't confirm it to a degree without more investigation. BTW Shotty, I have ADV range amplifiers now. Some noticeable improvement. I can stay outside AR range much better now. I have also heavily re-tuned my game to be more stealth and scanning focused. I still have all my old speed and armor fits, however these days I forgo the shield extender in the high slot in favor of an advanced precision enhancer (allowing me to detect mediums with some profile dampening, and scouts that are not fully skilled) and two range extenders in the low slots (2 ADV extenders). The added situational awareness works wonders on avoiding conflicts and sneaking up behind people. I haven't skilled into the active scanner since I still favor uplinks. I also still die way more in this build so keeping the fits cheap is key.... so still I favor STD fits over ADV and definitely I don't run PRO! I have to say though that when the spaces open up I have been defaulting to the LR to keep the pesky ARs at range. is started doing this in 1.2 and it is way more effective now in 1.4....
Kadeim Third Rock From The Sun 27	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:47:00 - [1430] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: Just out curiosity and don't feel obglicated to answer but I was wondering where all our scoutly brothers are from and are you an old school gamer like I am. I'm in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada and 34 yrs old. Ps your never too old to play vids so don't let them tell you otherwise. ;) 60, the great NW (Washington) my first online FPS type game. Hand/Eye co-ord not as it used to be, but hanging in there.

OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 480	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:57:00 - [1431] - Quote ATTENTION ALL SCOUTS PLEASE READ AND SIGN THE PETITION I MADE FOR US TO BRING LIGHT TO THE CATCH 22 SITUATIONS WE FIND WITH OUR SUITS https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1264262#post1264262 THANKS oZ
Cirandelas Indoriath Pradox One 1	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:03:00 - [1432] - Quote Please add Cirandelas Indoriath
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 893	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:07:00 - [1433] - Quote CPM Iron Wolf Saber seems to be railing on Scouts here. This is concerning. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107512
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 941	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:54:00 - [1434] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: CPM Iron Wolf Saber seems to be railing on Scouts here. Granted the personal attacks were uncalled for. Nonetheless, this is concerning ... he appears to reduce our present struggle to a simple case of "doing it wrong" ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107512 I'll type up a formal response to CPM tomorrow. Ah, damn, my brain. IWS takes a lot of pride in playing the game as an omni soldier. For some reason he seems to believe having played a game or two at the basic level in a specialization makes him an expert on the subject. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but it's definitely how his posts often read. Despite being given the position of CPM to represent the community, he has this TERRIBLE habit of often dismissing legitimate feedback on a subject for little reason, and then responds with hostility. I get that hostility is common on the forums but something like that should be beneath him. I don't know if he stepped in something delicious or if he has weird tastes but he just loves to put his foot in his mouth. It's been brought up before on almost every topic, vehicles, AV, heavies, and now scouts. He could stop like anytime but he just doesn't.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1048	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:55:00 - [1435] - Quote How dare iws say those things... Does he even play scout?
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 941	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:55:00 - [1436] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: How dare iws say those things... Does he even play scout? He has a dragonfly suit.
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 895	Posted - 2013.09.05 07:06:00 - [1437] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: How dare iws say those things... Does he even play scout? Honestly, I can't tell if he's addressing Scouts or not. The guy IWS is bantering back-and-forth with isn't a Scout, but IWS seems to suggest that not ever getting shot is a feasible strategy in today's Dust. He says he plays Scout as a back-stab-kinda-guy (like most of us), so surely he's observed first hand that getting shot happens all too often, even when doing everything right. I fail to follow the logic on either side of this strange debate. May be best to steer clear of this one and await the next. - Shotty
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1049	Posted - 2013.09.05 07:08:00 - [1438] - Quote Good call.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 13	Posted - 2013.09.05 07:11:00 - [1439] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: [quote=DJINN Marauder] I fail to follow the logic on either side of this strange debate. May be best to steer clear of this one and await the next. - Shotty this is diplomatic scouting at it's finest.... observe, assess, execute course of action (witch is not always direct action) Well played
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 209	Posted - 2013.09.05 07:17:00 - [1440] - Quote Beginning to feel that hit'n'run against enemy squads may not be a valid playstyle anymore. Sad day. Will reserve judgment until shotgun fix arrives tomorrow, but all the active scanners certainly aren't making the aim-assist buff easier to swallow.



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