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DISGRUNTLEDev
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:34:00 -
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Gallente Scout checking in, with proto shotty and smg. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
24
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Posted - 2013.07.08 19:34:00 -
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Kills, 17,668
Deaths 7,335
KDR 2.41 |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:08:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:OZAROW wrote:Add mr musturd, an I believe calamity Jane is scout too not for a long time, the SG assault is far more effective so both calamity Jane and Annie Oakley switched to assaults
And they both quit the game. Source: I was in PFBHZ |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.23 14:17:00 -
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The heavy turn speed increase is going to hurt, a lot... |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:34:00 -
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Yes, with max skills you can only get to 30.38. And only the Gallentte scout can get below the Meta 9 scanner.
Edit: *Sigh* Just did the math, and any medium suit with at least 4 lows can get below the Meta 9 scanner as well... |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:42:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:
Provided they stack 3 complex dampeners. Talk about a waste of low slots!
The fact that a Cal-logi can do even this better than we can is just frickin' wrong. A Gall-Scout would have to fit 3 dampeners, but that would cause serious fitting issues, and only the proto can do that. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:54:00 -
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Only for the Meta 9 scanner. You still have one low slot too, as it only takes one Complex Dampener for scouts to get below everything else. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
51
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:00:00 -
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Yeah, 'cause you're going to want to hide from the Meta 8 Quantum scanner that highlights you for 25 full seconds. The magic number, boys and girls, is 28dB.
The Meta 9 scanner is only useful for a 5 second highlight. Although, it does reach out to 200m I think... |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
51
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:06:00 -
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Quantum it is then! |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.03 14:20:00 -
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I'll try again tomorrow.
Played a broken Domination match, where neither MCC was taking damage from the Null Cannon, half my team left and we got no new players for 20+ minutes, and 8 vs 16 sucks with randoms.
The only redeeming fact of this update for me after 4 games is that the radar works. You can hide and actually sneak up on people.
Other than hiding, other suits are now so much better than scouts, its not even remotely fun to play. I'll keep trying for the next week, but it doesn't look good. |
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DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.04 18:00:00 -
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Well, I'm back in the top 3 on the killboards, but had to completely change my fittings to get it to work. Used to have Crg-3 Shotgun, SMG, Remotes. Build now is
Gall Adv
GLU-5 TAR
ZN Nova Knives
A-45 Quantum Scanner
Basic Dampener
You can still sneak and get reliable one-shots, and have a good gun to back it up. GLU actually isn't bad for hipfire either. Aim assist, *sigh* |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:39:00 -
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Just go to the spots where you normally introduce a knife into the heavy sniper's kidneys and try from there. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:35:00 -
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26 M - Fargo, North Dakota (US) - Network Security
Perfect Dark and Quake starting out
Lots and lots of BF 2142 and such while deployed. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
115
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:57:00 -
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Can confirm, shotgun is back to good. And I would say they might of actually fixed it. MORE TESTING!!!11!! |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
122
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Posted - 2013.09.06 18:56:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:I've had huge success with my proto fit, though its pricey (140k) and I've lost lots of Isk experimenting: Pro Gal Shotgun Scout (153 Shield / 240 Armor / 8.84 Sprint)- Complex Shield Extender
- Creodron Shotgun
- Six Kin SMG
- A-19 Active Scanner
- M-1 Locus Nade
- Complex KinCat
- Complex ArmRep
- Basic Armor Plate
- Militia CPU Chip
Very similar to mine, except I swap out the CPU Chip for a basic profile dampener. Got to get below those proto scanners! Other than that, it's the same. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
122
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Posted - 2013.09.06 20:08:00 -
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Light Suit V, not the racial. I mean that one too, but the first skill you need to lvl. 3 is the one bonus profile dampening is based off of. And yes, its labeled wrong. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
124
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Posted - 2013.09.07 18:01:00 -
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The Light Suit gives the dampening bonus. The Gall Scout gives scan range bonus. Minmatar Scout gives bonus melee/NK damage.
The skill you need to at least three to unlock the racial scout variant is the one that gives the dampener bonus.
The skill that allows access to the suits that don't get the bonus gives better dampening to the suits that do get the bonuses.
This would be a he!! of a lot easier to explain if the skills were labeled correctly and/or the pilot suit was on the skill tree. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
124
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Posted - 2013.09.09 01:47:00 -
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I wasted WAY too much SP to test this and have come to the conclusion that I was horribly *HORRIBLY* wrong. DO NOT waste sp on the Gallente Light Dropsuit skill, as it does nothing for your bonus.
I tested it by skilling Gallente Medium Dropsuit to 3 and Gallente Logistics Dropsuit to 2. It has 2 bonuses (also labeled weird) that show up on the fitting screen.
Results are that the ONLY skill that effects your bonus is the Gallente Scout Dropsuit skill. Taking the Gallente Light Dropsuit to 5 does nothing at all and is a total waste of time and effort.
I'm going to go rage in a corner for a while. Probably the new Splinter Cell game. F#_($%#)@(&%#(_ this game... |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
126
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Posted - 2013.09.09 03:48:00 -
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Grief PK wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:DISGRUNTLEDev wrote:I wasted WAY too much SP to test this and have come to the conclusion that I was horribly *HORRIBLY* wrong. DO NOT waste sp on the Gallente Light Dropsuit skill, as it does nothing for your bonus.
I tested it by skilling Gallente Medium Dropsuit to 3 and Gallente Logistics Dropsuit to 2. It has 2 bonuses (also labeled weird) that show up on the fitting screen.
Results are that the ONLY skill that effects your bonus is the Gallente Scout Dropsuit skill. Taking the Gallente Light Dropsuit to 5 does nothing at all and is a total waste of time and effort.
I'm going to go rage in a corner for a while. Probably the new Splinter Cell game. F#_($%#)@(&%#(_ this game... Thanks for clearing this up, Dev. You had me worried. Reader, if you're tuning in late to this sidebar, there was some confusion as to which skill tree applied the dampening bonus. Dev has confirmed for us that there is no benefit to skilling Light Suits beyond level III. Go straight into your preferred racial Scout Suit as early as possible. - Shotty GoBang omg ... I have waisted millions... lol
I wasted about 1.442.560 SP... Roughly.
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DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
130
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:10:00 -
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I prefer Heavies (when I find them) and squad leaders. That chevron is super handy for figuring who is the first to get their lungs punctured. |
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DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
138
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:55:00 -
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My current pub fit:
Scout G/1 -Series
CRG-3 Shotgun
'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun
M1 Locus Grenade
A-19 Stable Active Scanner
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Shield Extender
Basic Reactive Plates
Basic Reactive Plates
233 Shields
217 Armor
2 Armor reps a second
Movement of 5.45 m/s
Sprint of 8.01 m/s
Thoughts?
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DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
140
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:11:00 -
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That build I posted costs just a bit over 30k and that's the reason I run it in pubs. I die ~6 times a game and make anywhere between 20 - 120k a game. Proto just isn't worth the isk cost in pubs. Not even close.
Edit: @ Django Quik - How much CPU do you need to make your fit work? If it's close enough, there are giant gaping holes for you to shovel SP into to get it down... |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
149
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Posted - 2013.09.14 03:10:00 -
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I'm with Jolly on the weapons. I use a TAR for close support work because I don't want to skill into snipers but ARs let me fill a similar role. And honestly, I thought this was a scout support group, the weapon elitests tend to hangout in the nerf threads... ^ ^ |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
159
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Posted - 2013.09.15 19:06:00 -
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I've down graded my pub suit to 9k isk. Still posting top of the leaderboards every game. I'm done with spendy suits outside of PC. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
161
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:33:00 -
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proto droplinks and scanner for PC will rock!!! |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
162
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:57:00 -
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Nyra Volki wrote:
This only work IF YOU PLAY AS THE CLASS EXTENDED SCOUTING !!!!!
See, comments like these are really getting on my nerves. What the hell is scouting now? Hiding from active scanners. What else? Oh, right. Anything else is better done by other suits. I wish you guys would make a laundry list of things that I'm supposed to do as a scout, so that I can capture video to show that IT ISN"T POSSIBLE IN THE CURRENT GAME STATE to be any good at those things. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
164
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Posted - 2013.09.25 15:55:00 -
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But scouting is pointless if everyone can just scan. Why take an extra person when you can just fit a piece of cheap equipment?
And I don't know about you, but even if I get the drop on a Cal Logi with >1000 eHp, first shot is a head shot, I still am not sure I'm going to win that fight. Hell, heavies are back, because they can turn and kill you in the time it takes to get two shotgun shells or 2 NK swings off.
Should I just run around, hiding and scanning? Cause I'm not using a sniper rifle. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
168
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Posted - 2013.10.08 05:16:00 -
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I built a Basic Scout Suit that gets below 18dB. I built it to F with pubstompers.
Scout G-I
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Profile Dampener
Complex Profile Dampener
Locus Grenade
M209 Assault Submachine Gun
It doesn't live very long, but if you want to cheaply sneak up on a proto squad and kill the logi, I haven't found a better way. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
170
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Posted - 2013.10.14 17:21:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Killed a tank in PC with my REs in a pc the other day, very first time in PC  Need to train on using my REs on a single objective, as is done in PC since they'll just flux um if you're not watching, placing them in places they won't be spotted, popping them before they flux to kill them, and dropping them in places hostiles would take cover things like that. I'm also thinking about just not placing it on the objective and using them as traps in choke points instead. Mind you I can already do these things but I'm so unused to doing them,or just do it for the lawls, since I run mostly pub/fw ya know? Any other scouts in PC use REs, just wondering.
Yes, I use them in PC on occasion, usually assigned to Uplink Management.
When I use them, I use them like traps, placed on my escape route from an objective. Draw fire or hack then draw the defenders through my escape route. It is the best way for scouts to handle the other suits in PC because we just don't have the eHP to deal with multiple enemies. Against your corp, the average HP seems to be around 1200, which is perfect for REs.
The role that I've slotted myself in to is, as I've said, Uplink Management. Gal-Scouts are great for this role, just equip some passive scanning gear, speed, and proto uplinks of choice. I have a suit with each of the proto links and cycle through them depending on which are up or down. We can get to hard to reach places, find enemy links, and stay away from the enemies defending the area. Cutting the supply lines has won several PCs. Not a lot of WP or glory in the job, and it has a rather high casualty rate, but such is the life as a scout.
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DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
171
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:31:00 -
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Speaking of mass drivers, I'm almost prof V in Shotguns and SMGs, anyone have any luck running MD as shotguns? |
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DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
178
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Posted - 2013.10.24 03:35:00 -
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LeGoose, he disabled voting on his videos, and he has to approve my message calling him a "total @sshat of epic proportions that doesn't understand basic game mechanics." I think my rant went rather long, so I'll let you read the rest if he actually approves it...
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DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
221
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Posted - 2013.11.03 00:42:00 -
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In PC, I just dedicate myself to Uplink duty. Killing them and putting them in hard to reach places.
Attacking rear objectives works too. Sure, I only occasionally get the hack, but I can tie up 3 bodies by myself, taking a lot of pressure off the rest of the team. And again, uplinks are important, so that you can maintain pressure on the objective and if your team wants to dedicate other players to taking it, it's already prepped to attack from multiple angles. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
243
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:02:00 -
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DISGRUNTLEDev wrote:F@k you Kain. Can scouts have any love? Seriously, it's been a year. You should start a petition about shotguns and Nova Knives too. Get F***ed.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1701326#post1701326 |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
251
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:09:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Im looking at things and they're looking up for scouts at early results outside of the cloaking module but until blue posts about it you're going have to lament in the darkness.
Honestly didn't think the CPM or CCP read anything in our hole... |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
259
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Posted - 2014.01.10 00:02:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks.
Period.
But neither you or Kain are showing anything that would help with that! If you take the cloaks functionality in combat from us AND nerf our suit bonuses so we can fit the cloak ( which from what we can see, is exactly what is happening), this turns into a nerf for scouts and a cool new trick for medium frames. So either shut up until you can show that we shouldn't fight tooth and nail for the meager gain we're getting or tell us about basic suit stats that are getting buffed. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
261
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Posted - 2014.01.10 00:25:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:I'm thinking that the only way to get cloak be a scout-only piece of equipment, and stay that way, is by making it operate in a way that non-scouts dont even want it.
And the only way that's going to happen, is if it is non-effective for combat.
Maybe that's what IWS is getting at.
Personally, I was originally thinking that was how it was going to be in the first place. I was shocked when I read that CCP was designing it so you could fire from cloak.
But why even have it then? I have no problem getting around unseen now. After a nerf? I'm not so sure... |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
261
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Posted - 2014.01.10 00:33:00 -
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But the new bonus kills the dampened scout! A minmatar scout would be WORSE at dampening that any medium suit because it only has 2 lows. It makes no sense! You say you want to help scouts but all but the galscout are going to be obvious to any proto scanner. God help us all if a galogi uses a scanner. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.10 01:22:00 -
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No, keep the gallente's scan bonus.
edit: Ewar |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:02:00 -
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I live by my passive scan. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:36:00 -
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So far during this event, I've had a number of honorless scouts kill me. While approaching each other, they pull knives, so I pull mine out. These motherless dogs then pull out their rifle and kill me. What is an honorable response to getting gunned down after accepting knife fights? |
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DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
292
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:25:00 -
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Is it bad that I don't care about a respec? I have almost all Dropsuit Upgrade skills maxed, I'm staying GalScout, and I like the weapons I have. Having the extra 4 mil SP I have in things like Gal assault (which I've spent maybe 25 lives in since open beta) would be nice, but after this long, I just can't care. 36 million SP to spend all at one time though... |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
292
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Posted - 2014.01.18 04:54:00 -
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How about Rout? |
DISGRUNTLEDev
308
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Posted - 2014.02.05 03:12:00 -
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Why? Clearly fail troll is fail. Also, Grief PK and Complex Doom 1995 are AE scouts. Why can't they be hackers too?
Edit: I do appreciate the defense though.  |
DISGRUNTLEDev
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Posted - 2014.02.05 03:21:00 -
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Ancient Exiles. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
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Posted - 2014.02.07 07:06:00 -
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Can I just say how sh!tty it is that after 483 pages the only blue tag we get is to move the tread?
Thanks Frame, you big Blue Falcon. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
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Posted - 2014.04.12 16:46:00 -
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IWS, I like the Cloak, but if they are going to nerf scouts, just take the cloak. I believe in the argument that others have posted that if you nerf scouts, you can't buff med frames and heavies will be the new QQ. Scouts ate in a good place, even the Amarr isn't *that* bad. A good buff to assaults, some minor changes to current frames, and we have balance. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
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Posted - 2014.04.13 07:05:00 -
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You are in the clear Ghost. AE announced Qsyncing all day today in FW. They ran like small rabbits when we were on the other team. Considering we were giving isk for GGs, fairly lame. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
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Posted - 2014.04.14 16:58:00 -
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Has anyone found a redeeming quality of the Amarr Scout? I have been trying for weeks to find anything it does better than the Galscout, but have yet to find anything... |
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