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Haerr
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
306
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:20:00 -
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I've finished the Scanning Table for 1.8, you can find the thread here: LINKY
Edit: Thanks Quil for showing me a quick way of making it a webpage and how to share it via google docs.
Apparently "Haerr" means "Hare"...
Shhh. Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm a hunted wabbit!
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
452
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:35:00 -
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Haerr wrote:I've finished the Scanning Table for 1.8, you can find the thread here: LINKYEdit: Thanks Quil for showing me a quick way of making it a webpage and how to share it via google docs.
The Cal Scout needs 4 comp enhancers to defeat the gal scout using one? Wow...
32db Mad Bomber.
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Haerr
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
312
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:40:00 -
[10803] - Quote
Asha Starwind wrote:Haerr wrote:I've finished the Scanning Table for 1.8, you can find the thread here: LINKYEdit: Thanks Quil for showing me a quick way of making it a webpage and how to share it via google docs. The Cal Scout needs 4 comp enhancers to defeat the gal scout using one? Wow...
Yeah :-/
Driftward has a feedback thread on Scouts Scanning abilities in 1.8, I've posted a number of posts in there about that problem: LINK
Scanning Table for 1.8: LINK
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Nyra Volki
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
177
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Posted - 2014.03.05 19:04:00 -
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What i love most is those damage mods got Nerf.
Silent you must be
Or die you will
From True scout a kind message
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Deviant Alt
Nos Nothi
21
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Posted - 2014.03.05 19:05:00 -
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mistype
Oswald Rehnquist
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
4796
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Posted - 2014.03.05 19:12:00 -
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Nyra Volki wrote:What i love most is those damage mods got Nerf. I just want them in the low slot :(
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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noob cavman
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
740
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Posted - 2014.03.05 19:14:00 -
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The nerfed my smg.
waaaaaaaa my toxin my prof 5 six kin ..... wait they didn't mention the cala. .....
panic over your all still going to die
I want to be a caveman!
Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK
British ninja cowboy
scout, logi, heavy
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Driftward
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
794
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:16:00 -
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Haerr wrote:Asha Starwind wrote:Haerr wrote:I've finished the Scanning Table for 1.8, you can find the thread here: LINKYEdit: Thanks Quil for showing me a quick way of making it a webpage and how to share it via google docs. The Cal Scout needs 4 comp enhancers to defeat the gal scout using one? Wow... Yeah :-/ Driftward has a feedback thread on Scouts Scanning abilities in 1.8, I've posted a number of posts in there about that problem: LINK
There's a very large disconnect between scanning v dampening as far as passives are concerned (and potentially active). And the fix I proposed is going to make almost as many problems as it "fixes". I'm really not sure how to balance it only that it should work out to this end game:
1) dampening should have an advantage over scanning. scanning gives you a slighlty better advantage as such it should be slightly more costly to acquire
2) nothing should be uncounterable. Doesn't mean that every suit should be able to counter anything, just that there should be a counter whether that be in a specialized racial suit or by gimping a different dropsuit.
3) currently Gal scouts are "uncounterable" in terms of passive scanning. Use of 1 module renders them un-scannable by anyone except a. cal scout running 4 precision enhancers or b. Gal logi using duvolle focussed (which is user-unfriendly with long cooldowns narrow angle)
4) active scanning is taking a big nerf with the snapshot timers and the longer cooldown/narrow angle scans
What I think the gameplay should look like
1) Scouts should be un-scannable with 1 dampening module to majority of suits unless there is heavy module use (ie 2 precision enhancers) 2) Medium suits should have a viable shot at dampening to below detection by almost all mediums suits (passive) and some scouts, but should be visible to most scouts especially with precision skill 3) Gal scout should be un-scannable to everything with the addition of 1 module, EXCEPT Cal scout or Gal logi requiring at minimum 2 complex damps +/- cloak 4) Cal scouts should be able to scan most scouts using 1 or 2 precision modules unless scouts are actively dampened using at least 2 dampening modules +/- cloak
How that works out to actual scanning stats.....I don't even want to start getting into it.
Those are just the way I think passive scanning / eWAR should work. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
2194
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:25:00 -
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Would simply slightly raising the percentage given by Precision Enhancers not be a better solution? I know I have no fancy maths, but what would be the drawback to this solution?
KRRROOOOOOM
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Driftward
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
795
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:35:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Would simply slightly raising the percentage given by Precision Enhancers not be a better solution? I know I have no fancy maths, but what would be the drawback to this solution?
The consequence I see is then you start getting into places where medium suits would start being able to scan scouts passively with fewer modules (and be more able to afford the loss of slots). Also, the lower bonus to precision is kind of a balance to make it harder to scan people than it is to hide. (which I kind of like, it's just perhaps been taken too far right now) |
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J0LLY R0G3R
0uter.Heaven
580
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:36:00 -
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Wait, I'm allowed to self promote right? right? I mean Alright Alright Alright. That or I'll just say, so I heard from this guy that knows a guy that there is some dude posting a scout related video up in the My Dust 514 threads XD
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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noob cavman
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
745
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:37:00 -
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If its another one of showing how bad I can be then woooo -_-;
I want to be a caveman!
Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK
British ninja cowboy
scout, logi, heavy
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Quik Django
Nos Nothi
52
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:42:00 -
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I'll add that I think any non-caldari scout should be able to scan any undampened non-gallente scout with a single complex precision enhancer - that this is not the case means something needs to be done. Nobody should have to dedicate 2 mod slots to be able to counter passive skill buffs on someone wearing the same suit.
Django Quik's alt if you hadn't figured that one out!
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
2195
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:46:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Wait, I'm allowed to self promote right? right? I mean Alright Alright Alright. That or I'll just say, so I heard from this guy that knows a guy that there is some dude posting a scout related video up in the My Dust 514 threads XD You know if you are going to self promote you should really throw in a link :P Not that I can't go find it or anything
KRRROOOOOOM
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
2196
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:50:00 -
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Driftward wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Would simply slightly raising the percentage given by Precision Enhancers not be a better solution? I know I have no fancy maths, but what would be the drawback to this solution? The consequence I see is then you start getting into places where medium suits would start being able to scan scouts passively with fewer modules (and be more able to afford the loss of slots). Also, the lower bonus to precision is kind of a balance to make it harder to scan people than it is to hide. (which I kind of like, it's just perhaps been taken too far right now) I see how that could be an issue. Mostly with the Cal Logi (surprise)
Double posting like a Kaiser
KRRROOOOOOM
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Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1376
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:04:00 -
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**** balls **** crap motherfucking bitches http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/DUST/Medium_Frames.png Logistics just got a buff.+5m to scan range and -5 to Scan Precision. They now have the same Scan Precision as Scouts. My Gallente Logistics suit is now better at finding Scouts than my Gallente Scout. 3 complex precision enhancers, 3 complex range amplifiers 2 complex armor plates. 700 total HP, Scan Radius of around 60 meters and a scan precision of 23 and change, more than likely rounded up to 24dB *Appia walks away from the computer to rage about how her Gal-Logi is a better scout and her Gal-Scout*
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
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Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1376
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:16:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Bayeth Mal wrote:
Also it was good to see you in game the other day Mollerz. I wanted to say gg but I don't think I've squadded with you before and thought you'd assume I was being sarcastic.
I always take a GG as a compliment. I hand them out to people and have some great exchanges. I was surprised to hear it has been warped into something negative? Being a CQCentric combatant, I have a lot of funny ass face to face experiences with other players. it's nice to reach out and laugh about it sometimes. don't worry, I die a lot to all kinds of bugs, OP FOTM stuff. it's all good. But I especially love scout combat. I kind of remember you killing me on a stairway? GG :) Rule of thumb: When sending a GG to someone you don't know or don't know well, "GG" in the subject with a blank body is taken as gloating in a lot of the vet community. "GG" in the subject and a short little sentence like "nice kill at [location]" "that was a close match :)" or something like that adds sincerity.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
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Patrick57
5764
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:20:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:If its another one of showing how bad I can be then woooo -_-; I bet I'm worser than you!
Zatara hates me :(
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J0LLY R0G3R
0uter.Heaven
584
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:22:00 -
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So this has some ..um interesting possiblities in store for 1.8. There are some cool pros and some "...ehhh really? *sadface*" cons. All I really care to say about the upcoming patch is pretty much:
Adapt or Die XD
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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J0LLY R0G3R
0uter.Heaven
584
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:24:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:If its another one of showing how bad I can be then woooo -_-;
I am but the cameraman, good sir. You are the star. XD (Warning, this cameraman may trip you)
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
2197
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:24:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:So this has some ..um interesting possiblities in store for 1.8. There are some cool pros and some "...ehhh really? *sadface*" cons. All I really care to say about the upcoming patch is pretty much:
Adapt or Die XD That about sums it up pretty well
KRRROOOOOOM
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noob cavman
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
749
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:28:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:noob cavman wrote:If its another one of showing how bad I can be then woooo -_-; I bet I'm worser than you! Do not underestimate the power of 15+ cups of tea on your hands. dem shakes brah
I want to be a caveman!
Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK
British ninja cowboy
scout, logi, heavy
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Driftward
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
799
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:33:00 -
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Also, anyone notice how logis lost ZERO fitting capability? You know so that they can still fit....anything they want to? And including ....a cloak..... or as appia suggested. Everything eWAR under the sun.
pretty ******..... |
Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1378
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:40:00 -
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new "sucks to be a scout" build in nos nothi GD post in progress.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
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Patrick57
5768
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:41:00 -
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Driftward wrote:Also, anyone notice how logis lost ZERO fitting capability? You know so that they can still fit....anything they want to? And including ....a cloak..... or as appia suggested. Everything eWAR under the sun.
pretty ******..... Where did they post the Logi stats? I thought they only released the bonuses. :3
Zatara hates me :(
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ConantheCimmerian
Terrestrial Suppression Force Lokun Listamenn
27
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:43:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:mollerz wrote:Bayeth Mal wrote:
Also it was good to see you in game the other day Mollerz. I wanted to say gg but I don't think I've squadded with you before and thought you'd assume I was being sarcastic.
I always take a GG as a compliment. I hand them out to people and have some great exchanges. I was surprised to hear it has been warped into something negative? Being a CQCentric combatant, I have a lot of funny ass face to face experiences with other players. it's nice to reach out and laugh about it sometimes. don't worry, I die a lot to all kinds of bugs, OP FOTM stuff. it's all good. But I especially love scout combat. I kind of remember you killing me on a stairway? GG :) Rule of thumb: When sending a GG to someone you don't know or don't know well, "GG" in the subject with a blank body is taken as gloating in a lot of the vet community. "GG" in the subject and a short little sentence like "nice kill at [location]" "that was a close match :)" or something like that adds sincerity.
but...sometimes...i just dont mean it XD
Alt-ConanTheArmored
Eve Pilot-The Black Corsair
"Is it flashing Red? SHOOT IT"
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Asha Starwind
DUST University Ivy League
457
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:43:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Driftward wrote:Also, anyone notice how logis lost ZERO fitting capability? You know so that they can still fit....anything they want to? And including ....a cloak..... or as appia suggested. Everything eWAR under the sun.
pretty ******..... Where did they post the Logi stats? I thought they only released the bonuses. :3
new update in suit feedback thread
32db Mad Bomber.
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Patrick57
5768
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:44:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Driftward wrote:Also, anyone notice how logis lost ZERO fitting capability? You know so that they can still fit....anything they want to? And including ....a cloak..... or as appia suggested. Everything eWAR under the sun.
pretty ******..... Where did they post the Logi stats? I thought they only released the bonuses. :3 new update in suit feedback thread Thank you.
Zatara hates me :(
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
1008
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:04:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:**** balls **** crap motherfucking bitches http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/DUST/Medium_Frames.pngLogistics just got a buff.+5m to scan range and -5 to Scan Precision. They now have the same Scan Precision as Scouts. My Gallente Logistics suit is now better at finding Scouts than my Gallente Scout. 3 complex precision enhancers, 3 complex range amplifiers 2 complex armor plates. 700 total HP, Scan Radius of around 60 meters and a scan precision of 23 and change, more than likely rounded up to 24dB *Appia walks away from the computer to rage about how her Gal-Logi is a better scout and her Gal-Scout*
well that sucks... I would have said I'm going logi in 1.8 for sure.
except I had so much fun with Stealth Heavy, I may instead just go Cal Heavy with prec enhancers and damps.
Hmm. except, cloak. So maybe trade off cal logi as well.
I think the only way scouts are going to be viable as a "better suit", is with full eWar anti-logi fits. ie: precision, range, cloak, and long/medium range weapon like Assault RR. backup of MAGSEC. and secondary eq as REs.
Yeah... I'm seeing a whooole lotta REs with "present for logi" inked on them.
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
171
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:23:00 -
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Quik Django wrote:I'll add that I think any non-caldari scout should be able to scan any undampened non-gallente scout with a single complex precision enhancer - that this is not the case means something needs to be done. Nobody should have to dedicate 2 mod slots to be able to counter passive skill buffs on someone wearing the same suit.
What is so troubling is that we can come up with the boundaries for what should or shouldnt take place but the game makers seem oblivious.
I would think they would develop the outlier scenarios and then work the math and place the less powerful suits / modules within that scope.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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