Speaking of grenade slot for cloaks...

What if if wasnt "trade a grenade slot for an extra eq slot", but "cloaks are now grenade type items instead of eq"?

Unlikely, I know, since CCP really really wants to give logis an advantage with their EQ bonus. But for the sake of careful examination, can we compare possibilities?


The one thing I like about grenade slot just for scout, is that it's always a single button away.
Leaving room for "activate IMMEDIATELY at spawn", potentially.


The thing I like about it for non-scout reasons: logis would no longer get a fitting bonus for it :)

Things I DONT like about having it in grenade slot instead of extra eq slot:
... I could do some seriously wicked things with TWO EQ slots on a scout suit. Muah-ahahhaa....

I'm sure all the Scouts hate me now because I want the role to be EWAR before a mock assault suit.

I just want the role to be relevent in PC, and that wont happen if we dont get our two equip slots and bonus to EWAR before Combat.

I recant my previous statement. Mollerz has the right of it.

If there are to be any restrictions, keep out CPU/PG low so we can't reasonably fit two pieces of equipment without sacrificing elsewhere, unless one of them is the cloak.

If the cloak is to be out millstone, then don't punish us for it.

1L/1S/1G/2EQ.

Guys, right now you need to be hard line about not giving up an inch.

I refuse to play as a scout if these changes happen. All I wanted was my Chromosome scan range, a little more speed, and a second high slot. That's it. After July passed last year and the cloak was still just on the backburner, I never wanted a cloak. It is not needed for scouts.

Little tweaks to the base stats of the scout are all we need. forget this talk of cloaks. As long as it is an equipement it is for logistics suits. As long a Logistics suit can use it the Logi will be better with it than Scouts.

All of thses changes will only marginalize a suit that is underperforming with a small playerbase. I said it in another thread, but I love the shotgun so I'll be making the swtch to Assault ck.0 when these nerf new patch notes are released.

I lost my Sniper role, I lost my Scanning role, Now I'm going to lose y CQC role

Also a post to Patrick: I was really exited to fight when you said TTW from FA was a good scout. Then I played him... yeah, so disappointed...

@Appia That chicago politico education is coming in handy eh? This must be what union bosses feel like.



TL;DR: Trust Appia and I. We know politics.

if the light frame slots remains the same as now, without bonuses, but the base changes (Precision, speedsGǪ) would you still be viable in cqc.

You guys are like a bunch of battered women, counting a shot to the ribs instead of the face as a victory.

No. 45 dB vs 50 dB is negligible as they both take 2 dampeners to beat proto scanners. Might as well get the advantage of a Assault suits RoF bonus while having an easier time of being dampened because of 2 more slots than scouts.

Guys, right now you need to be hard line about not giving up an inch.

I refuse to play as a scout if these changes happen. All I wanted was my Chromosome scan range, a little more speed, and a second high slot. That's it. After July passed last year and the cloak was still just on the backburner, I never wanted a cloak. It is not needed for scouts.

Little tweaks to the base stats of the scout are all we need. forget this talk of cloaks. As long as it is an equipement it is for logistics suits. As long a Logistics suit can use it the Logi will be better with it than Scouts.

All of thses changes will only marginalize a suit that is underperforming with a small playerbase. I said it in another thread, but I love the shotgun so I'll be making the swtch to Assault ck.0 when these nerf new patch notes are released.

I lost my Sniper role, I lost my Scanning role, Now I'm going to lose y CQC role

But if I have to, I'll accept it.
I'll bite my lip, I'll grab my ankles and I'll accept it.

new scout here. id rather losse the nade slot than the side arm. how am i going to knife people with no side arm and still be able to get more than one kill a game.

I know you are trying to make a point hereGǪ. but
I work with many 'battered women' and they are tougher, and stronger people than damn near anyone I have ever met. So your analogy kinda sucks from where I am coming from.

Also a white woman from the suburbs... let me tell you one thing, living in a place where "trophy wives" and jews were a plenty: Bitching and moaning and whining and complaining until you get what you want works. It works every time. The people in charge just give it to you so they don't have to deal with it anymore.

Whn it is one-person they'll just dismiss it, but when it is a group of people all working together or more accurately it is a large group of people working on their own all doing the exact same thing, that is how you get things done...

I hate myself whenever that works...

*sighs, picks up eraser

Removed. for you. my friend.

Meant as a concise statement to a guy named "brokerib" about our victim mentality and refusal to leave our abusive lover...not meant to distract from Shotty's willingness to take all comers.

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would you trade a grenade slot instead? (time sensitive question)

How about if the db were the proposed 35?

What about Hybrid Slots?

Instead of removing the Sidearm for an extra Equipment. Would'nt it be nice if a Hybrid Slot could be introduced?

The Hybrid Slot would be able to carry either a Sidearm or an Equipment.

If this was introduced, would'nt it increase Scout versatility, viability and the ability to deeply personalize your beloved suit?

Depending on tier and race, different slot configurations could occur. And that really is something of future concern, if ever to be implemented. Is this something that is acceptable, does it follow the lines of lore, am I a stupid dreamer with a wish for intergalactic peace?

Either convert the Sidearm to a Hybrid Slot or convert the Sidearm and the Equipment slot to Hybrid Slot.

The next problem in a dual Hybrid Slot-suit would be that you could carry three arms of your choosing, with the regulations of the Sidearm, but also a Light if we imagine that the current slot configuration will be in play for us.

Hit me with your best Slot!

What about Hybrid Slots?

Instead of removing the Sidearm for an extra Equipment. Would'nt it be nice if a Hybrid Slot could be introduced?

The Hybrid Slot would be able to carry either a Sidearm or an Equipment.

If this was introduced, would'nt it increase Scout versatility, viability and the ability to deeply personalize your beloved suit?

Depending on tier and race, different slot configurations could occur. And that really is something of future concern, if ever to be implemented. Is this something that is acceptable, does it follow the lines of lore, am I a stupid dreamer with a wish for intergalactic peace?

Either convert the Sidearm to a Hybrid Slot or convert the Sidearm and the Equipment slot to Hybrid Slot.

The next problem in a dual Hybrid Slot-suit would be that you could carry three arms of your choosing, with the regulations of the Sidearm, but also a Light if we imagine that the current slot configuration will be in play for us.

Hit me with your best Slot!

We don't need anything this complicated. We just need a short list of simple adjustments.

+1 EQ - all scouts
+stamina - all scouts
-profile - all scouts (confirmed at approx 35)
+scan radius - all scouts
+CPU/PG - all scouts (amount depending on cloak cost)

racial differences (in addition to obvious CPU/PG and Shield/Armor differences)
+more stamina - Amarr Scout
-scan precision - Caldari Scout
+scan radius - Gal Scout
+melee damage - Minmatar Scout (confirmed 120HP)

Add Cloak, refraining from utilizing IWS's suggestions where possible

Short, simple, and easy. Do this, and I would think we'd all be fairly satisfied.