My thought with Hybrid Slot is nothing that I think should be implemented, cause I believe it would distort more then it would solve.

If the things you state above are valid requests and will be implemented, I believe Scouts would be to powerful. As of now the Scout is a formidable fighter, but it lacks it's role specific belonging. It's more like a paperthin medium frame that is slightly faster and less prone to be detected, everything else is worse.

While I think it should be that way(else we would've just been a lot of Scouts running around in eachothers shadows), we still need some love to enable us to fulfill our role to a higher degree.

I agree on most points, but I'm not sure about the 2nd EQ yet. You advocate it should be on all Scout suits?

This thread just went XXX

So we got this new image from CCP recently
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac201/fireofprometheus624/image_zps41af8247.jpg

Seeing as it is new, surely it is to showcase some of the new stuff coming our way. We take a close look,
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac201/fireofprometheus624/image_zps5f6f06a5.jpg

It appears to be the same Caldari scout from different angles on the left and right and an Amarr scout in the center.

Butt's of gallente med frame (on left), minmatar light frame (on right) & amarr light frame... very entertaining, angle . They can do better than that...

EDIT: Now with that "tail" amarr light frame will look like sort of armored lizard thing :)

I've heard people say that but I still don't see how that is a Gallente medium or Minmatar light on the left and right, respectively. Look at some pictures of those suits and compare, there are some differences.

If the new suits were cloak optimized (and without sidearm), but the current suits stayed as-is.. it sounds like there would be a bunch of people who would stick to the old suits.

So, if they left them as-is, you wont be punished for your SP investment.... and as far as the new suits, you'll be on the same footing as anyone else who is interested in them.

I'm thinking this may be the best of both worlds these days:

Leave the old suits as-is. Make the new suits 1LP/2EQ/no sidearm (or no grenade)

So, something to consider.

If we were going that direction, I'd suggest making the scout more combat oriented

1) infiltrators (aka light commandos) 2L/1G/1EQ

2) Harrier (EWAR scout) 2SA / 3 (or 2) EQ

Honestly, I'd rather keep my Grenade. Fluxes are better than SMGs for equipment clearup.

Flux RE. Fixed.

Something i just posted on the "To all scouts" thread,
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1719551#post1719551




So, something to consider.

That would work.

Scout - E-War/Stealth - 1L/1S/2EQ (if absolutely necessary, we can lose the grenade)
The scout should be the EWar/Stealth class but should retain 1L and 1S so specialist weapon users (Shotty, LR, MD, etc.) are not left out in the rain.

Assassin - CQC - T3 off of scout
Gets the scout's bonuses and base stealth as well as its own bonuses to sidearm fitting and damage.

Overwatch (or some other name) - Sniper/AV - 2L/0S/2EQ/0G T2 Light frame
Sniper/AV class that can use two light weapons so they can snipe/av while still being able to equip a weapon with decent range (useful in the wide open areas where these suits tend to operate). Bonuses to sniping and av as well. Doesn't receive the scout's base profile though. If they are scanned, they should have plenty of range and speed to either hunt their hunter or relocate to a safe location.

Why are we constantly trying to dream up solutions / workarounds when there isnt a problem ????
- We have been told in passing that there is one.

The world is flat you all - believe it.

If nothing else, there is at least one problem. There are essentially 5 different groups all expecting the scout class to be the suit for their playstyle (EWar users, specialist weapon users, knifer, dual sidearm users, and snipers). That is more than one class can reasonably support. If it does, you either have an overpowered suit or we get the half-hearted approach to all those roles like we have now.

I have four dragonfly fits which I use regularly.
One is optimized for sniping.
One is optimized for uplink placement / infiltration.
One is optimized for cqc engagements / demolitions.
One is optimized for midrange flanking combat.

Most of these I could perform better in a logi suit.
Which raises questions as to the place of a scout.
Add cloak to these fits, and there'd be no question.

Meaning, "the logi would rule all"?
After all, ,if logi is better than scout now...
logi+cloak will still be better than scout+cloak.

Which also implies, you guys are fighting the wrong fight.
you could "win" the scout suit battle, but still lose overall, "Because logi".

Seems like the battle you should really be focusing on, is "cloak for scouts only".

If the scout actually was working properly now then your "as is" set up would be great, but right now the CPU/PG, and slot configuration does not work well. The scout was viewed as needing a buff for a long time with the current set up, why would leaving it that way now be good?

The addition of an extra equipment slot would help scouts out, not just for cloaking but for a lot of uses. Adding a second equipment slot, without the removal of sidearm, and an increase to CPU/PG would actually be a great fix with or without the use of a cloak.

What I find interesting is the idea that because the cloak is being introduced, the second EQ slot with Light and Sidearm is now viewed as OP on the scout (even though nobody has actually seen it in action) but other suits that were preforming well (or too well) can remain essentially as they are, or even buffed. Do you see many people saying that the Medium, or Commando suits will need to be adjusted due to the implementation of the cloak. Logi in particular will be able to fit the cloak more easily than other suits, potentially more easily than the scout, but we don't see massive discussion about them giving up anything for it. One could say that they don't all have access to a sidearm, but this was done for other reasons than cloaks. So why are scouts supposed to be the only suit balanced around the cloak.

Make the cloak balanced, make the scout suit able to function without the cloak. I am of the belief that all the suits should be able to function, and allow you to fit them however you please without sacrificing balance, or requiring a single piece of equipment to function.

Meaning, "the logi would rule all"?
After all, ,if logi is better than scout now...
logi+cloak will still be better than scout+cloak.

Which also implies, you guys are fighting the wrong fight.
you could "win" the scout suit battle, but still lose overall, "Because logi".

Seems like the battle you should really be focusing on, is "cloak for scouts only".

I have four dragonfly fits which I use regularly.
One is optimized for sniping.
One is optimized for uplink placement / infiltration.
One is optimized for cqc engagements / demolitions.
One is optimized for midrange flanking combat.

Most of these I could perform better in a logi suit.
Which raises questions as to the place of a scout.
Add cloak to these fits, and there'd be no question.

You are correct. It should've been "built in" to the Scout Suit.
We fought that battle already (we lost).

Then this battle is also lost.


1. based on prior battle, the chance of winning is slim to none
2. even if you do win, you still lose. Because Logi.
About the best you can hope for, is that CCP offiicially adopts scout suits, to be "logi light". Since they only love logi.

If you accept that to be true, then losing sidearm to gain EQ slot, may be a long-term win, since it will basically be "logi light" in all but name.
Anything else, and scout suits will continue to be the metaphorical beaten redheaded stepchild.

Then this battle is also lost.


1. based on prior battle, the chance of winning is slim to none
2. even if you do win, you still lose. Because Logi.
About the best you can hope for, is that CCP offiicially adopts scout suits, to be "logi light". Since they only love logi.

If you accept that to be true, then losing sidearm to gain EQ slot, may be a long-term win, since it will basically be "logi light" in all but name.
Anything else, and scout suits will continue to be the metaphorical beaten redheaded stepchild.