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Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:17:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:icdedppul wrote:with the info we have right now, unless your going G Scout there is no point skilling into a scout frame if you dont really want to play with cloak. Judging by this statement I assume you don't know Remnant already confirmed we are having our base scan profile reduced (~35 at the moment). Essentially we are getting our previous bonus built in. The G Scout is for those who really hate scanners.
^^Me^^ |
Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
1845
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:20:00 -
[7022] - Quote
Krom Ganesh wrote:icdedppul wrote:with the info we have right now, unless your going G Scout there is no point skilling into a scout frame if you dont really want to play with cloak. Judging by this statement I assume you don't know Remnant already confirmed we are having our base scan profile reduced (~35 at the moment). Essentially we are getting our previous bonus built in. The G Scout is for those who really hate scanners.
Except it still needs to be lower.
Gal Logi is gonna be scanning like crazy, and you KNOW that will pick up every non-gal scout indefinitely.
Now if they make the cloak immune to scanning? There is something I can enjoy. Let them scan you to draw them in. Cloak an ambush. KILL THE LOGI
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1297
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:22:00 -
[7023] - Quote
With all the discussion of scouts balancing by dropping sidearms to balance the eq slot gainGǪ so we can fit cloaks.
What do the Logi lose, since they gain from the cloak as well?
KRRROOOOOOM
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1205
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:23:00 -
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@Ghost
That gal logi bonus just needs to be changed.
Either reduce its bonus so a scout can avoid a gal logi proto scanner with 1 cmp damp or change the bonus so it gives a range bonus instead of a precision bonus.
Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist | C-Chaos Weaver | G-Stealth Recon | A-Endurance Hunter
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2793
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:24:00 -
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Scanners/profile need to be rebalanced. Hardcore. If a scout gets scanned his effectiveness is battle is decreased by epic proportions.
A gal logi will make 3/4 of scouts worthless on the battlefield.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
1845
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:27:00 -
[7026] - Quote
Krom Ganesh wrote:@Ghost
That gal logi bonus just needs to be changed.
Either reduce its bonus so a scout can avoid a gal logi proto scanner with 1 cmp damp or change the bonus so it gives a range bonus instead of a precision bonus.
Yeah actually, they need to change the logi bonus. That thing has trouble written all over it.
I support the range bonus.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Scout Registry
456
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:30:00 -
[7027] - Quote
Hope this helps:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1716217#post1716217
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1298
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:34:00 -
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looks like something Shotty would have saidGǪ
I miss that bastard 
KRRROOOOOOM
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Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
213
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:36:00 -
[7029] - Quote
Llast 326 wrote:With all the discussion of scouts balancing by dropping sidearms to balance the eq slot gainGǪ so we can fit cloaks.
What do the Logi lose, since they gain from the cloak as well?
Yeah, thinking of this a bit more ... why should scouts lose a second weapon slot for the second equipment slot?  And I REALLY want a second equipment slot. But at that point ... if you want to run a stealth suit, you can choose to go scout w/ no eHP, one weapon, and two equipment slots ... or logi, with more base eHP, more slots, more CPU/PG, one weapon, and up to four equipment slots..? I don't see how cloaking will be any tougher to fit on a logi suit than a scout suit, even with the scout bonus figured in...
Hopefully, some clarity will be coming soon...
Right now, there's still an awful lot left unsaid, as far as what other ways the suits might be changing, etc... |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
1814
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:37:00 -
[7030] - Quote
Mollerz wakes up from a night of partying clutching a hot cup of french pressed red jar...
WTF happened over night?
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
213
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:37:00 -
[7031] - Quote
Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Scanners/profile need to be rebalanced. Hardcore. If a scout gets scanned his effectiveness is battle is decreased by epic proportions.
A gal logi will make 3/4 of scouts worthless on the battlefield.
+1 |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
1298
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:38:00 -
[7032] - Quote
mollerz wrote:Mollerz wakes up from a night of partying clutching a hot cup of Gallente pressed red jar... WTF happened over night?
Not muchGǪ
KRRROOOOOOM
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1816
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:41:00 -
[7033] - Quote
Cool details I see..
So every scout has an impending loss of a sidearm save the minja.. hmm..
You know- I'd kind of go all knives for a second equipment slot on my minja. But that would be pretty limiting.
Is it true minimatar knives are coming out?
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2794
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:44:00 -
[7034] - Quote
mollerz wrote:Cool details I see..
So every scout has an impending loss of a sidearm save the minja.. hmm..
You know- I'd kind of go all knives for a second equipment slot on my minja. But that would be pretty limiting.
Is it true minimatar knives are coming out?
Probably not in any sort of foreseeable future.
The only way I'd go literally knives only is if the minmatar was the stealthiest and the best at cloaking. Both of which it is not going to be good at.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1298
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:45:00 -
[7035] - Quote
mollerz wrote:Cool details I see..
So every scout has an impending loss of a sidearm save the minja.. hmm..
You know- I'd kind of go all knives for a second equipment slot on my minja. But that would be pretty limiting.
Is it true minimatar knives are coming out?
I do like the idea of NK, Cloak, RE on my MinjaGǪ
I hope the Min Knives are coming but who knows at this pointGǪ probably not even CCP
KRRROOOOOOM
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
12014
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:45:00 -
[7036] - Quote
/me had nothing to do with the newest round of info.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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Scout Registry
459
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:47:00 -
[7037] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:/me had nothing to do with the newest round of info.
o7 |
pseudosnipre
510
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:47:00 -
[7038] - Quote
How loud will CCP make the cloak hum when activated?
They love sound cues (hmg spool-up, equipment deployment, forge crackle, bullet ricochet, nova knife swipes, etc) so I'm sincerely doubting that activate/deactivate will be the only sfx.
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
12014
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:48:00 -
[7039] - Quote
pseudosnipre wrote:How loud will CCP make the cloak hum when activated?
They love sound cues (hmg spool-up, equipment deployment, forge crackle, bullet ricochet, nova knife swipes, etc) so I'm sincerely doubting that activate/deactivate will be the only sfx.
also another big unknown, also we don't know its sound priority either which is a thing in this game.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2798
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:50:00 -
[7040] - Quote
If they fixed footsteps so they were a reliable indicator they wouldn't need to make cloaks hum.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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icdedppul
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:52:00 -
[7041] - Quote
Krom Ganesh wrote:Judging by this statement I assume you don't know Remnant already confirmed we are having our base scan profile reduced (~35 at the moment). Essentially we are getting our previous bonus built in. The G Scout is for those who really hate scanners.
yeah not much of a forum warrior
it upsets me that things get so muddled with trolling and any useful info gets buried so deep
in any case its nice to know that beginner scouts will have a chance of evading the scan now instead of just all of the old guys
sad that a guy with lvl 1 Gal Logi can completely negate 3/4 of the races scouts no matter how cool we are (LVL2 if you have dampening to 5) without even going proto, but that we will have to use 1 of our very limited slots and almost a million SP just to stay relevant at the advanced lvl.
Sad depressed minja in the corner that you will actually know is there now |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
1817
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:53:00 -
[7042] - Quote
Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:mollerz wrote:Cool details I see..
So every scout has an impending loss of a sidearm save the minja.. hmm..
You know- I'd kind of go all knives for a second equipment slot on my minja. But that would be pretty limiting.
Is it true minimatar knives are coming out? Probably not in any sort of foreseeable future. The only way I'd go literally knives only is if the minmatar was the stealthiest and the best at cloaking. Both of which it is not going to be good at.
Darn I saw a DOA rumor I guess then amongst all the posts.
It sucks the minja will probably get rode hard and put away wet.
Is it that hard to make a ******* ninja? YES. Too much QQ.
FYI, It is kind of fun to go 100% knife in skirm.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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pseudosnipre
510
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:55:00 -
[7043] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:/me had nothing to do with the newest round of info.
and no, no minnie knives anytime soon, but do enjoy the NK's current 5th damage type at 100/100 effectiveness.
You and I had back'n'forth regarding the utility of cloaks. I saw them as lowering the scout talent pool; you saw them as a scout Swiss army knife, useful in many situations.
While I still have no plans to use cloaks, I'll admit that I sure used the hell out of my sidearm.  At least it gave me the ability to directly earn WP, instead of being an augment to skills already in MY toolbox.
(here's your chance to doubt my abilities as a scout for using such a crutch)
o7
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
629
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:02:00 -
[7044] - Quote
Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:If they fixed footsteps so they were a reliable indicator they wouldn't need to make cloaks hum.
Sound glitches so much in this game anyway but if they do put it in I hope its quite low.
- You should need to be in a quiet area without gunfire or vehicular noise to hear it.
Personally I would prefer the only cue being the shimmer which CCP needs to show before we continue talking about how strong the cloak will be and what mechanics we need to implement to balance it.
If I can look out and pick up mercs moving then I really dont want to hear about any nerfs. At the moment just a quick look in hills and you can spot most people. Its only if they are tucked in between hills do you need to listen for gun fire.
In your blind spot
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2803
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:05:00 -
[7045] - Quote
Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:If they fixed footsteps so they were a reliable indicator they wouldn't need to make cloaks hum. Sound glitches so much in this game anyway but if they do put it in I hope its quite low. - You should need to be in a quiet area without gunfire or vehicular noise to hear it. Personally I would prefer the only cue being the shimmer which CCP needs to show before we continue talking about how strong the cloak will be and what mechanics we need to implement to balance it. If I can look out and pick up mercs moving then I really dont want to hear about any nerfs. At the moment just a quick look in hills and you can spot most people. Its only if they are tucked in between hills do you need to listen for gun fire.
The sound for decloaking should be the same as the decloak sound for someone spawning in. This would allow you to get near an objective and not stand out like crazy. You'll just sound like another person spawning in. Outside of spawn locations this sound will be a little weird. I'm alright with cloak/decloak sounds.
There definitely should not be any more sound indicators other than footsteps/your normal movement sounds for cloaks while traversing. Every added downside to cloaks makes them more and more useless/impractical to use and just a gimmick that everyone will get tired of equipping real quick.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Kahn Zo
Furyan Alpha
206
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:28:00 -
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Being new here to this game compared to you true vet scouts, (I know who you are, you know who you are),
I feel I do not have much to say, contribute in regards of,
if anything, I spew my climb of trials and tribulations towards scout worthiness.
I admire and respect those who are trying to intelligently fix the role of,
and methodically bring the class to its intended stature to what it should be.
CPM's, I understand and appreciate the liaison work that you have done and the information you have provided,
But,
My thought,
It be nice if a round table of true discussion of the demise of the scout would be brought forth
with true full time scouteers, CPM's who are indeed scouts, and a CCP that has open ears.
Since my inception of the game, 4 months now, I have witnessed and experienced some heavy changes
to play, but wishful hugs and loves for scout since. I based my choice as scout because I was more less led
to think that it is only temporary to be semi gimped scout role. Better things around the corner for the scout.
So, I stick with it. Now the talk of is full on rampant with everybody all up in up.
Back on track, I think a round table type of event is in order instead of settling on what actually is reveled, tried, and soon nerfed or....
ain't we just a passionate bunch...
rant over. I can breath now.
" No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz
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J0LLY R0G3R
Tickle My Null-Sac
331
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:29:00 -
[7047] - Quote
How exactly does CCP expect me to return the hugs if they cut off one of my arms in the process of said hugs.
Cough XD
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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Scout Registry
465
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:31:00 -
[7048] - Quote
J0LLY R0G3R wrote:How exactly does CCP expect me to return the hugs if they cut off one of my arms in the process of said hugs. Cough XD
I'm stealing this :-) |
Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
721
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:47:00 -
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On cloak fittings -- I have two important things to say.
First off: i hope all you guys who QQ'd at me about my cloak slot fitting ideas, are really really sorry now 
Now, to the more important bit:
Given the "trade" CCP has now stated they are looking to force upon us;
How many would prefer instead one of the variants I suggested previously: making cloak a WEAPON slot.
May I suggest in particular, the sidearm slot.
That way,
- Those who prefer to run two weapons instead of cloak, can do so
- We get quick-toggle to get to cloak and out of it
- only amarr logi will be able to fit the cloak. So we wont have to deal with cloaked gallente logis.
I mean.. two eq slots are nice an all.... but that really just turns us into a "light logi suit".
Perhaps an almost as nice idea could be to petition CCP to explicitly add a "light logi" varient from light frame, and leave existing scout suits alone.
(but that doesnt get the "medium logis wont be able to fit cloak" advantage) |
Scout Registry
466
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:53:00 -
[7050] - Quote
@ Quil
You basically volunteered that we fall on our swords and trade our primary weapons for cloaks.
Your "fitting idea" constituted the most ridiculous proposal in the history of this thread.
Why would anyone be sorry for b*tching you out?
Back to the topic at hand ...
If we're under-performing, then we should be buffed.
Why must a buff involve a bargain? |
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