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Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1064	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:01:00 - [6391] - Quote CCP's to-do list: 1. Buff everything but scouts - check 2. Further troll scouts - check 3. Determine the meaning of life - In progress 4. PvE, MTACs, Speeders, and MAVs 5. Buff scouts !
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1160	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:03:00 - [6392] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: That's weird... I swear that there were a few posts after your last one, Ghost, including one of mine and now they are gone?? Did we finally find the post or page limit of threads in this forum....? Test, test.... (Edit - well, this post is still here.... hmmm....) Anyway, what happend to the King...? Mr. I'm fierce like a lion and tiger....? FunnyGÇª Last night I had two matches in Gal FWGÇª and I spotted a Tiger in the Grass in those matches So he is fighting for GalGÇª and not actually doing to well either (I got more wp/kills and less deaths in my scout suit ) Thought about TK with a PLC one match, but could not find him. As to the bonus changesGÇª. Well, I was kinda "ready" for this, having suspected as much from the Dev blog so long ago (I really did not want to be right Shotty) I hope the scanners and/or our db gets adjusted, or JammersGÇª something KRRROOOOOOM
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 670	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:31:00 - [6393] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Shotgun Maths: Adjusting for Overspray TL;DR: When firing at 5 meters, plan on 1-2 pellets missing your target. Great experiment, and data. it does leave me wondering one thing, however. From what I recall, 100% efficiency on many(most?) shotguns is 0-4.9m. So when you say "5m", do you literally mean 5m, or do you mean "0 < 5m" ? In other words, if someone is firing at 4m, can they expect full 100% efficiency, presuming they are properly on target?
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 670	Posted - 2014.01.08 17:34:00 - [6394] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: They add defensive modules modules, which in turn require you to add specific modules of your own to counter them if you want the same level of weapon performance. That's balance. Problem here is the fact that this gimps shield based suits. We can't maintain a tank and have damage mods. This is even worse for scouts, which force them to give up their already measly eHP for damage. well yeah, but that's DUST for you :-/ Same problem with shield tanks. Literal tanks ,that is. I <3 me some gunnlogi. But trouble is, to have decent defense, means I have to use up all 3 of my high slots for shield related stuff, which means no scanner, and no damage mods. Soo... oh well.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 535	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:13:00 - [6395] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: New scout bonuses? Link1 Link2 Please be fake, please be fake. >_< I'm really not sure how I feel about these, on the one hand, I still have my two bonuses (Gallente scout) on the other hand, I'd feel gimped for not using a cloak, which I hadn't intended on using except for specific suits. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
LeGoose SAM-MIK 129	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:31:00 - [6396] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: That's weird... I swear that there were a few posts after your last one, Ghost, including one of mine and now they are gone?? Did we finally find the post or page limit of threads in this forum....? Test, test.... (Edit - well, this post is still here.... hmmm....) Anyway, what happend to the King...? Mr. I'm fierce like a lion and tiger....? He is still making terrible videos with obsurd observations. One of his videos he even edited out all of his deaths to make himself seem even more awesome.
Driftward Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 542	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:47:00 - [6397] - Quote So to use a scout effectively....we no longer have the option of what equipment to roll with. We're are automatically stuck with a cloak. So much for flanking to unusual positions to drop an uplink or you know using those lovely remotes or being a forward position scanning agent. This cloak mechanic had better be ******* amazing, profiles dropped on all scouts suits, and weapon damages dropped across the board to make 1.8 at all good. I'd like to think that scouts will always be a moderately/kinda viable suit....but I'm not seeing a silver lining here....
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 551	Posted - 2014.01.08 18:56:00 - [6398] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/BFTlfqn.jpg Gallente for the win... and by "win" I mean "not being crippled." We need to start a feedback page in the feedback section. No commentary just a post that says "dedicated Scout since [started playing scout], signed [your name]" We need to keep the current role bonus and get that fitting cost. Then Minmatar and Gallente keep their current one, and we'll see how Amarr and Caldari fare Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Cass Caul is no longer my alt [email protected]
Driftward Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 544	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:02:00 - [6399] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: http://i.imgur.com/BFTlfqn.jpg Gallente for the win... and by "win" I mean "not being crippled." We need to start a feedback page in the feedback section. No commentary just a post that says "dedicated Scout since [started playing scout], signed [your name]" We need to keep the current role bonus and get that fitting cost. Then Minmatar and Gallente keep their current one, and we'll see how Amarr and Caldari fare I've started writing a commentary up. Give me some suggestions for sections I need to write in. I have so far 1. loss of profile reduction from scout skill 2. forcing one equipment choice for all fits 3. ? Give me some more A signed petition without suggestions or comments doesn't really tell them much...not that they'll listen, but hey
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3779	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:03:00 - [6400] - Quote Driftward wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: http://i.imgur.com/BFTlfqn.jpg Gallente for the win... and by "win" I mean "not being crippled." We need to start a feedback page in the feedback section. No commentary just a post that says "dedicated Scout since [started playing scout], signed [your name]" We need to keep the current role bonus and get that fitting cost. Then Minmatar and Gallente keep their current one, and we'll see how Amarr and Caldari fare I've started writing one up. Give me some suggestions for sections I need to write in. I have so far 1. loss of profile reduction from scout skill 2. forcing one equipment choice for all fits 3. ? Give me some more Melee still being ass? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

Driftward Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 544	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:25:00 - [6401] - Quote I just posted my commentary in the feedback section. Please add your own (not rage posts please) to the thread here.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2612	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:28:00 - [6402] - Quote Keep the knife bonus. Lose the melee bonus. Hate to say it but the Min scout is looking like the least appealing scout with all the other scout bonuses going to cloaking or dampening. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Oswald Rehnquist 1004	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:38:00 - [6403] - Quote If you guys look at the Caldari bonus, 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level it is implied that there is a cost to just activating the cloak so I'm expecting some sort of "ammo" or "stamina bar" like mechanic involved here. Especially when you consider that they used the term firing instead of activating... It makes me wonder. edit: another thing that makes me feel this has ammo is that the amarr bonus shows that there is already a cooldown, so if its not the cooldown which limits the use of the cloak, then there is another limiting mechanic involved which required a reduction. Below 28 dB
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 170	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:39:00 - [6404] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Keep the knife bonus. Lose the melee bonus. Give it a useful second skill or jack that melee bonus up so you do more melee than a commando so you're actually the hand to hand champ not a special olympics hand to hand champ. Hate to say it but the Min scout is looking like the least appealing scout with all the other scout bonuses going to cloaking or dampening. I think they need to finally realize using a NK is a glorified melee, and role that all into one bonues, and maybe give us a hacking bonus as well. Myofibril + Side arm damage mods? Yes please! Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3781	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:42:00 - [6405] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Keep the knife bonus. Lose the melee bonus. Give it a useful second skill or jack that melee bonus up so you do more melee than a commando so you're actually the hand to hand champ not a special olympics hand to hand champ. Hate to say it but the Min scout is looking like the least appealing scout with all the other scout bonuses going to cloaking or dampening. I think they need to finally realize using a NK is a glorified melee, and role that all into one bonues, and maybe give us a hacking bonus as well. Myofibril + Side arm damage mods? Yes please! I rather not be forced to use damage mods thank you. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2614	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:44:00 - [6406] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Keep the knife bonus. Lose the melee bonus. Give it a useful second skill or jack that melee bonus up so you do more melee than a commando so you're actually the hand to hand champ not a special olympics hand to hand champ. Hate to say it but the Min scout is looking like the least appealing scout with all the other scout bonuses going to cloaking or dampening. I think they need to finally realize using a NK is a glorified melee, and role that all into one bonues, and maybe give us a hacking bonus as well. Myofibril + Side arm damage mods? Yes please! I rather not be forced to use damage mods thank you. I agree with this. There's not enough slots on a scout. By throwing a damage mod on you're essentially cutting your HP down by quite a bit which is not at all worth it. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2614	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:46:00 - [6407] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: If you guys look at the Caldari bonus, 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level it is implied that there is a cost to just activating the cloak so I'm expecting some sort of "ammo" or "stamina bar" like mechanic involved here. Especially when you consider that they used the term firing instead of activating... It makes me wonder. edit: another thing that makes me feel this has ammo is that the amarr bonus shows that there is already a cooldown, so if its not the cooldown which limits the use of the cloak, then there is another limiting mechanic involved which required a reduction. I'm assuming it'll work kind of like Planetside 2's. When you activate it a bar begins to run out. When you deactivate or decloak to fire it begins recharging. I'm assuming that when you fire it'll take off a hefty percentage of the available time left to cloak. This way you can cloak, move, uncloak, fire, recloak, move. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 369	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:49:00 - [6408] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: If you guys look at the Caldari bonus, 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level it is implied that there is a cost to just activating the cloak so I'm expecting some sort of "ammo" or "stamina bar" like mechanic involved here. Especially when you consider that they used the term firing instead of activating... It makes me wonder. edit: another thing that makes me feel this has ammo is that the amarr bonus shows that there is already a cooldown, so if its not the cooldown which limits the use of the cloak, then there is another limiting mechanic involved which required a reduction. I'm assuming it'll work kind of like Planetside 2's. When you activate it a bar begins to run out. When you deactivate or decloak to fire it begins recharging. I'm assuming that when you fire it'll take off a hefty percentage of the available time left to cloak. This way you can cloak, move, uncloak, fire, recloak, move. Was my view on the cloak mechanics as well but too much jd the night before has left me less of a word smith and more of a dribbling wreak Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! Renegade minja fighting for the empress
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 466	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:53:00 - [6409] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: http://i.imgur.com/BFTlfqn.jpg Gallente for the win... and by "win" I mean "not being crippled." Sadly Gals got nerfed....not buffed. Pretty sweet dev hugs. Hey lets give scouts 6m of extra range....BUT we take it back when we release the next patch by halving the range bonus. Old Gal range @ V : 20.50=30 New Gal range @ V: 26.50=39 1.8 Gal Range @ V:26*.25=32 Minmitar is the only one that actually got away with out any changes... PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
pseudosnipre 479	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:01:00 - [6410] - Quote Depends on what I can do while cloaked; can I: -sprint? -jump? -climb ladders? -throw grenades? -hack panels? -drive a LAV -fire weapons? Or I just get to walk and stand still until my cloak runs out. These maps are HUGE so I don't anticipate getting very far walking... Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.

pseudosnipre 479	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:02:00 - [6411] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: http://i.imgur.com/BFTlfqn.jpg Gallente for the win... and by "win" I mean "not being crippled." Sadly Gals got nerfed....not buffed. Pretty sweet dev hugs. Hey lets give scouts 6m of extra range....BUT we take it back when we release the next patch by halving the range bonus. 1.6 Gal range @ V : 20.50=30 1.7 Gal range @ V: 26.50=39 1.8 Gal range @ V: 26*.25=32 So 6 extra meters.....thats shotgun range. Soooo useful. I guess they didnt like the fact we could passive scan clear out to 90m when running nothing but complex range amps Minmitar is the only one that actually got away with out any changes......YAY? If all suits get a range and profile buff, why be a Gallente scout? Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 671	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:37:00 - [6412] - Quote Driftward wrote: So to use a scout effectively....we no longer have the option of what equipment to roll with. We're are automatically stuck with a cloak. So much for flanking to unusual positions to drop an uplink or you know using those lovely remotes or being a forward position scanning agent. ?? why do you say that? Unless there specifically is a gallente logi on the field... a gallente scout will still be more or less as stealthy as they were before, I think? Certainly as compared to assaults, at any rate. [/quote] These days, seems like the majority of scanning I run across, is actually from vehicles. So as long as you're below that, you're going to be in about the same place you are already, even if you dont use cloak. It remains to be seen just how desirable a cloak will be, andd in which roles. Given that there will be a cooldown for it, its certainly not going to be some ultimate ninja winbutton for assassinating everything in site. Rather, it sounds like it's going to have to be used with specific tactical goals in mind. My main concern is whether scouts are going to be able to use a cloak, AND carry an uplink, at the same time.
First Prophet Minmatar Republic 1429	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:44:00 - [6413] - Quote lol. I knew they'd somehow manage to make scouts worse. Users found this review helpful.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 671	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:10:00 - [6414] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Will a 15k piece of equipment easily defeat a 150k proto sneak suit? One would hope not, given what little sacrifice a Logi makes to carry it. Then again, one has been taught not to hope. Given that the standard logi suit bonus is now Quote: Logistics Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of equipment per level. i think our "last, best hope for [scout]", is to hope that cloak is NOT 'equipment'. If it is, then its officially time to give up scout, go with the flow, and spec into proto logi.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 671	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:24:00 - [6415] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: It remains to be seen just how desirable a cloak will be, andd in which roles. Given that there will be a cooldown for it, its certainly not going to be some ultimate ninja winbutton for assassinating everything in [sight]. Rather, it sounds like it's going to have to be used with specific tactical goals in mind. HOLEEE.... I take it back. If item descriptions are to be believed (sadly, they are all too often not, though...) http://i.imgur.com/eEeKFxIh.png says that caldari scout will be able to fire FROM CLOAK. The cloak will still drop... but it will drop some time AFTER you fire. Methinks caldari has just become the 1.8 choice for shotgun scouts NINJA WINBUTTON! (probably for a whole 7 days or less until it gets nerfed. but still )
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1083	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:30:00 - [6416] - Quote @Quil Think about how long it takes you to kill someone when you get the drop on them. Unless you are a bad shot or using an UP weapon, it usually isn't very long. As long as you attack while they are facing away from you, the enemy shouldn't have time to put up a proper resistance regardless if you are cloaked or not. Edit: I wonder if a NK user can assassinate an enemy and run a few meters before the cloak drops. Would be valuable for NK users then, I guess. !
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3198	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:38:00 - [6417] - Quote I hoped into an FW match earlier. A Gallente Logistics out-ran my Minmatar Scout. And. I have both Complex Cardiac Regs & Kinats. I almost cried. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 671	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:49:00 - [6418] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: @Quil Think about how long it takes you to kill someone when you get the drop on them. Unless you are a bad shot or using an UP weapon, it usually isn't very long. As long as you attack while they are facing away from you, the enemy shouldn't have time to put up a proper resistance regardless if you are cloaked or not. that's IF you can "get the drop on them". Which up until now, has required either a tight citymap, or doing a looong flanking maneouver around them. Now, even if they're blockng a doorway, so long as they're not firing in your direction, you can just mosey right up to them, and shoot them in the face. AND.. their buddy BEHIND them, wont see you for a second. Which will give you a chance to shoot THEM in the face too! MUAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... logis hiding behind heavies in doorways. be afraid. Be VERY afraid...
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3200	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:52:00 - [6419] - Quote @Quil Let's try to keep quiet about this, otherwise CCP might decide to nerf our toy before we even get it. Then again, it's not like the DEVs are reading this thread anyway. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
pseudosnipre 481	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:52:00 - [6420] - Quote Do REs stick to enemy infantry? Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.



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