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Bojo The Mighty wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

For the record, IF these changes happen and that the scout will be about as useful as running swarms on a heavy, and we receive a respec:

I will be going full Minmatar Assault with Logi on the side.

If I can't avoid scanners, then I might as well just use a freaking med frame. Hell, I can already get my Assault suits to sprint at 8.4m/s with 245 armor. The scanning is the only real bonus to the suit.

Yeah, if scout suits as a whole are without a profile buff it will be severely pointless unless you have interest in dedicating yourself to the cloak, which I do not, I was drawn to the scout for it's sensory buffs but they are probably going to cut the GalScout range by 25% soooo.......they better buff scan modules too or I am just going to go straight to FOTM. I'm honestly tired of going the hard route, supporting the existence of items when they are, in the grand scheme of things, pointless and untouched. I'm going back to Caldari Assault with Mass Driver

Yeah that's right I used to rock Caldari Assault with Mass Driver back in Codex and Early Chrome.

Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57

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mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 222	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:55:00 - [6421] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Do REs stick to enemy infantry? No.. it'd be awesome to stick re's on heavies but sadly you can't
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 671	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:56:00 - [6422] - Quote Atiim wrote: @Quil Let's try to keep quiet about this, otherwise CCP might decide to nerf our toy before we even get it. Then again, it's not like the DEVs are reading this thread anyway. The really funny thing is, the people who get stomped by this, will have no idea, if the cloak fully works. They'll be like, "oh, huh.. I just got blown away by a scout. Those durn scouts, sneaking up behind me...." So there may be a significant delay in QQ about this. if we dont talk about this outside of this thread ;)
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1624	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:58:00 - [6423] - Quote For the record, IF these changes happen and that the scout will be about as useful as running swarms on a heavy, and we receive a respec: I will be going full Minmatar Assault with Logi on the side. If I can't avoid scanners, then I might as well just use a freaking med frame. Hell, I can already get my Assault suits to sprint at 8.4m/s with 245 armor. The scanning is the only real bonus to the suit. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3200	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:03:00 - [6424] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: The really funny thing is, the people who get stomped by this, will have no idea, if the cloak fully works. They'll be like, "oh, huh.. I just got blown away by a scout. Those durn scouts, sneaking up behind me...." So there may be a significant delay in QQ about this. if we dont talk about this outside of this thread ;) But we've got to make a pact to only use quick-kill weapons like shotty-to-the-HEAD, so they dont get an animation of us coming out of cloak in front of them, giving the game away. So only Shotguns and Nova Knives? Got it CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 673	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:05:00 - [6425] - Quote Atiim wrote: [quote=Quil Evrything] So only Shotguns and Nova Knives? Got it Suddenly, a knife-only fit is looking so much more attractive than previously
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2586	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:05:00 - [6426] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: For the record, IF these changes happen and that the scout will be about as useful as running swarms on a heavy, and we receive a respec: I will be going full Minmatar Assault with Logi on the side. If I can't avoid scanners, then I might as well just use a freaking med frame. Hell, I can already get my Assault suits to sprint at 8.4m/s with 245 armor. The scanning is the only real bonus to the suit. Yeah, if scout suits as a whole are without a profile buff it will be severely pointless unless you have interest in dedicating yourself to the cloak, which I do not, I was drawn to the scout for it's sensory buffs but they are probably going to cut the GalScout range by 25% soooo.......they better buff scan modules too or I am just going to go straight to FOTM. I'm honestly tired of going the hard route, supporting the existence of items when they are, in the grand scheme of things, pointless and untouched. I'm going back to Caldari Assault with Mass Driver Yeah that's right I used to rock Caldari Assault with Mass Driver back in Codex and Early Chrome. Do Not Feed The Imperfects. Feeding them may disrupt the natural setting.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1625	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:06:00 - [6427] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Atiim wrote: So only Shotguns and Nova Knives? Got it Suddenly, a knife-only fit is looking so much more attractive than previously Knives and Flaylocks. Because explosions. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
pseudosnipre 481	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:10:00 - [6428] - Quote mr musturd wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: Do REs stick to enemy infantry? No.. it'd be awesome to stick re's on heavies but sadly you can't My point exactly. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 673	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:12:00 - [6429] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Suddenly, a knife-only fit is looking so much more attractive than previously Knives and Flaylocks. Because explosions. knives, flaylocks, and breech scrambler pistol. Becuase head explody is all the 'splody I need
Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 190	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:23:00 - [6430] - Quote a bunch of cloaked scouts running into each other.... bumping into thin air..... bullets being fired willy nilly all over the place.... seeing if a cloaked assassin is close by.... should be a wonderful sight with friendly fire in FW..... " No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz

Llast 326 An Arkhos 1161	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:23:00 - [6431] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Atiim wrote: So only Shotguns and Nova Knives? Got it Suddenly, a knife-only fit is looking so much more attractive than previously Knives and Flaylocks. Because explosions. My Minja is ready for this Really, though More info on what is happening would be nice. Will we get a slot and CPU/PG increase, is base scan range increasing, is our base db decreasing, what else is happening to the frame as a whole? These things will affect us a lot more than the cloak in my opinion. If all we get is the "known" changes then Min scouts get absolutely screwed, Gal takes an arguably minor hit, and the new suits probably better off as they are designed around the cloak which (if nothing else changes) will be required equipment. RespecGÇª this account stays as is (likely my profile damp would be moved into cloak), MinjaGÇª. probably everything would have to go into making things workGÇª and I'll have enough sp for basic knives KRRROOOOOOM
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1626	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:25:00 - [6432] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: For the record, IF these changes happen and that the scout will be about as useful as running swarms on a heavy, and we receive a respec: I will be going full Minmatar Assault with Logi on the side. If I can't avoid scanners, then I might as well just use a freaking med frame. Hell, I can already get my Assault suits to sprint at 8.4m/s with 245 armor. The scanning is the only real bonus to the suit. Yeah, if scout suits as a whole are without a profile buff it will be severely pointless unless you have interest in dedicating yourself to the cloak, which I do not, I was drawn to the scout for it's sensory buffs but they are probably going to cut the GalScout range by 25% soooo.......they better buff scan modules too or I am just going to go straight to FOTM. I'm honestly tired of going the hard route, supporting the existence of items when they are, in the grand scheme of things, pointless and untouched. I'm going back to Caldari Assault with Mass Driver Yeah that's right I used to rock Caldari Assault with Mass Driver back in Codex and Early Chrome. I've got around 17.5mil SP, I'll proabably have around 20mil by the time they actually do this. Went a did the math. With a respec I can get this. Proto Min Assault Adv Min Logi Proto CR Pro 5, everything else at 3 Proto Flaylock Pro 5, everything else at 3 Mass Driver 4 SMG 4 Explosives 3 Greanades 3 Weapon Mods 5 Core Upgrades 5 Biotic Upgrades 5 Electronic 4 Engineering 4 System hacking 3 Nano 3 Repair Tool 3 Shields, Armor, Plates, Extenders 5 Repair 3 Feel the Winmatar Goodness Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1162	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:26:00 - [6433] - Quote Kahn Zo wrote: a bunch of cloaked scouts running into each other.... bumping into thin air..... bullets being fired willy nilly all over the place.... seeing if a cloaked assassin is close by.... should be a wonderful sight with friendly fire in FW..... Wonder how long till i see a heavy spinning in a circle with the trigger taped down with duct tape *rubber band and duct tape + HMG = ultimate MinAFK KRRROOOOOOM
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 675	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:28:00 - [6434] - Quote "Scanners? who needs scanners? I have an auto-fire weapon, and my 'rotate right' key works..."
pseudosnipre 481	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:34:00 - [6435] - Quote So cloaks will be an 8x skill? Time to grind Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
pseudosnipre 481	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:42:00 - [6436] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Atiim wrote: So only Shotguns and Nova Knives? Got it Suddenly, a knife-only fit is looking so much more attractive than previously Knives and Flaylocks. Because explosions. PLC Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7676	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:44:00 - [6437] - Quote Almost to my ADV Minnie scout (which means proto LP too)! Then it's ishnoking time. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 675	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:53:00 - [6438] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: PLC I was going to say that's a bit.. out there. but then I reconsidered, when I read some conjectures about how cloak disruption could be number-of-bullets-fired based. That would make things like AR, SMG, and even shotgun (12 'bullets') a poor choice. but High damage, low RoF weapons like pistols, and... PLC a good choice. Now, wouldnt it be "interesting", if it was literally a per-bullet or per-projectile cost... seeing as how knives DONT USE BULLETS Suddenly, there is so much fear.. I can smell it...
Oswald Rehnquist 1004	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:53:00 - [6439] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: jackbubu wrote: just gonna leave this here Quote: Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level. Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level. What does the caldari bonus mean? Sounds to me like the "firing cost" is referring to weapons fire As in there is some sort of penalty for firing a weapon while cloaked (cloak time drains faster?) and the caldari bonus is mitigating that penalty (shoot more bullets before disrupting cloak) Edit: yeah, this. Read the Scout C-1 description in this screenshot http://i.imgur.com/eEeKFxI.png This right there, someone actually found the suit description Below 28 dB
Scout Registry 381	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:18:00 - [6440] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Shotgun Maths: Adjusting for Overspray TL;DR: When firing at 5 meters, plan on 1-2 pellets missing your target. Great experiment, and data. it does leave me wondering one thing, however. From what I recall, 100% efficiency on many(most?) shotguns is 0-4.9m. So when you say "5m", do you literally mean 5m, or do you mean "0 < 5m" ? In other words, if someone is firing at 4m, can they expect full 100% efficiency, presuming they are properly on target? When using a shotgun, your efficiency rating will change as you move towards and away from your target. For this test, the shooter slowly approached the target until Efficiency Rating hit 100%. This distance happened to be at 5 meters.

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 539	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:21:00 - [6441] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: MrShooter01 wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: jackbubu wrote: just gonna leave this here Quote: Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level. Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level. What does the caldari bonus mean? Sounds to me like the "firing cost" is referring to weapons fire As in there is some sort of penalty for firing a weapon while cloaked (cloak time drains faster?) and the caldari bonus is mitigating that penalty (shoot more bullets before disrupting cloak) Edit: yeah, this. Read the Scout C-1 description in this screenshot http://i.imgur.com/eEeKFxI.png This right here, someone actually found the suit description Sounds like that could make for some scary Caldari Shotgunners or snipers. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 539	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:22:00 - [6442] - Quote Also, how d'ya think it'd work with Scrambler rifles and other charge guns, would it deactivate upon initiating the charge or loosing the shot? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1165	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:23:00 - [6443] - Quote You know what I am not wanting to seeGÇª Murder Taxi adapted to HAVsGÇª it has already started but if the get the update as writtenGÇª HAV rolls upGÇª Heavies jump out with BoundlessGÇª VRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Hop back in and roll on KRRROOOOOOM
Scout Registry 381	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:26:00 - [6444] - Quote @ Everyone (except Quil) Just so I'm clear, are we getting boned or buffed in 1.8? Also, Appia suggested a "concerned Scout" feedback thread. Do we have one up yet?
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 539	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:27:00 - [6445] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: @ Everyone (except Quil) Just so I'm clear, are we getting boned or buffed in 1.8? No one knows. None of this may even come to fruition, let alone in 1.8 I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 65	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:27:00 - [6446] - Quote Hey my name shouldn't be not slashed through. I run amarr assault > 50% of time. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Scout Registry 381	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:29:00 - [6447] - Quote @ Marauder Fixed. Please tell me you didn't get yourself banned. Actually ... let's not talk about it :-) @ Spademan Thanks for the feedback. @ Appia You suggested a "concerned Scout" feedback thread. Is there one up yet? Edit: Just finished reading Driftward's thread; he covered everything: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134503&find=unread ^ Please weigh in with your concern using the Driftward thread (rather than doing it here).
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1628	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:37:00 - [6448] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: @ Marauder Fixed. Please tell me you didn't get yourself banned. Actually ... let's not talk about it :-) @ Spademan Thanks for the feedback. @ Appia You suggested a "concerned Scout" feedback thread. Is there one up yet? Marauder did get banned. I never found out why, but we NEED to know. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Scout Registry 381	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:42:00 - [6449] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: but we NEED to know. I don't NEED to know, but now I'm curious. Anyhow, we're prohibited from discussing moderation decisions and/or events per Forums Rules of Conduct. So ask him in game. Or not. In theory.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 543	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:45:00 - [6450] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Scout Registry wrote: @ Marauder Fixed. Please tell me you didn't get yourself banned. Actually ... let's not talk about it :-) @ Spademan Thanks for the feedback. @ Appia You suggested a "concerned Scout" feedback thread. Is there one up yet? Marauder did get banned. I never found out why, but we NEED to know. Yeah, and I really need to know whether Bojo is pronounced with a soft J or not, but I'm not getting that info either. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.



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