I think eHP should have higher priority than slots since it applies to all tiers, while the extra slots are only applied to specific tiers. Also more slots lead to higher cost of fittings.

I think eHP should have higher priority than slots since it applies to all tiers, while the extra slots are only applied to specific tiers. Also more slots lead to higher cost of fittings.

I think eHP should have higher priority than slots since it applies to all tiers, while the extra slots are only applied to specific tiers. Also more slots lead to higher cost of fittings.

I agree. The hp buff deminishes the tier progression which is exactly what the game needs. The new slot progression increases the power progression to the detriment of 98% of the players. Not me, but i take pitty in those that get will stomped.

I don't think matchmaking is ever going to improve the situation. We're too few already.

Why are you trying to throw on complex armor plates and reps on advanced suits?

I don't know what are the problems...
Rattati has gived to assault :
- more PG/CPU
- extra slot for ADV and PRO
- 150eHP buff (armor and shield)
- grenade fitting bonus

For Delta :
- better race bonus

So... I dont know... For me, the work is perfect for assault.

Thanks Rattati, and good work

I don't think assaults should get an 8th slot, given they're getting a +150 HP buff. Keep the HP buff, but do not add the new module slot at proto. Keep the advanced tier slot though, closing the gap between proto and lower tier is a good thing; would really like to see an extra module slot at standard as well. 5/6/7 slot progression please.

Tried this Amarr assault fit on protofits (link here http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/759/5678 ). I added 150 to the armor, and factored the skills.

Shields: 120 x 1.25 (shield skill bonus) = 150
Armor: 240 + 150 = 390 x 1.25 (armor skill bonus) = 487.5
Total eHP with skills before mods: 637.5

Obviously these calculations may not be correct because I don't know how the +150 HP will be distributed between shields and armor.

Now add some plates. For the sake of being conservative with HP estimates, lets only use ferroscales. 4 complex ferroscales and 1 armor repairer. Complex ferroscales are 75, and with skills they are each 82.5. 82.5 x 4 is 330, add that to our previous total, and now the eHP is 967.5; this is a conservative estimate using low HP plates (ferroscales), and already its clear that the assault will be very tanky.

A simpler way to illustrate the point: without the +150 HP, the fit I linked would have 780 eHP, now just add 150 HP, and now you have 930 eHP. Whatever methodology you use to calculate it, its too much. Once again I remind that this is just a conservative estimate, and regular plates would lead to even higher eHP numbers.

This is all with 7 module slots, not 8 yet. An 8th would be too much

Assaults will become heavies with an 8th. No extra slot at proto please.

I'm assuming logistics will be getting a speed and regen buff in order to survive.

I mean if assaults are getting 8 slots including a sidearm,i would like to be able to run away from that.

This is following scout logic of less armor = more speed and regen.

Ya know since logistics has about 30 more eHP than their racial scout,yet are slow speed and regen wise.

The problem is that an extra slot is unnecessary when assaults are already getting +150 HP, and basically turns assaults into heavies. My earlier post illustrates this point with some HP calculations.

All the things you listed are great, but not the 8th slot at proto.

Anyway, if either the 8th slot, or the HP had to go, I say that the HP should definitely stay while the 8th slot should definitely go. The slot raises the gap between standard and proto even higher (bad), while the HP buff would effect all tiers equally (which is good).

I don't think assaults should get an 8th slot, given they're getting a +150 HP buff. Keep the HP buff, but do not add the new module slot at proto. Keep the advanced tier slot though, closing the gap between proto and lower tier is a good thing; would really like to see an extra module slot at standard as well. 5/6/7 slot progression please.

Tried this Amarr assault fit on protofits (link here http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/759/5678 ). I added 150 to the armor, and factored the skills.

Shields: 120 x 1.25 (shield skill bonus) = 150
Armor: 240 + 150 = 390 x 1.25 (armor skill bonus) = 487.5
Total eHP with skills before mods: 637.5

Obviously these calculations may not be correct because I don't know how the +150 HP will be distributed between shields and armor.

Now add some plates. For the sake of being conservative with HP estimates, lets only use ferroscales. 4 complex ferroscales and 1 armor repairer. Complex ferroscales are 75, and with skills they are each 82.5. 82.5 x 4 is 330, add that to our previous total, and now the eHP is 967.5; this is a conservative estimate using low HP plates (ferroscales), and already its clear that the assault will be very tanky.

A simpler way to illustrate the point: without the +150 HP, the fit I linked would have 780 eHP, now just add 150 HP, and now you have 930 eHP. Whatever methodology you use to calculate it, its too much. Once again I remind that this is just a conservative estimate, and regular plates would lead to even higher eHP numbers.

This is all with 7 module slots, not 8 yet. An 8th would be too much

Assaults will become heavies with an 8th. No extra slot at proto please.

An Amarr Commando with 3 ferros is 1100 ehp and a 5 ferro gk logi is at 750 ehp.

Seems like 950 for a stacked ferro Amarr Assault is right between them as intended.

The caldari assault will have more shield than my minmatar heavy. Whopping 744 Am I right?

I pity to poor fool who runs 3 plates on an Amarr Commando.....

I'm kind of concerned at the moment..... EHP values just seems to be growing higher and higher.... slot distributions grow ever more plentiful...... however I looks forwards to the changes as always....might log back in for Charlie.

Didnt saw that you changed the slot layout on caldari sentinels. 3 high and 2 low? Seems a bit weird but on the other hand i can achieve a recharge delay of about 1.64s with 2 complex regulators and a 0.47s depleted delay.

I agree, shield tanking is not only about high slots (read extender stacking), and if someone wants some reps, then a reactive, or rep module plus a regulator is nifty.

People are playing the maximum ehp game, regardless of viability. While assaults can't get more than sentinels, then there can not be ehp power creep.

However, we may need to intervene with normal plate fitting increases, the raw ehp stacking is not what we want for Dust.

Rattati you've really out done yourself this time. The CPU buff to caldari will help a whole lot. Now I can kite armor tankers and maintain a range advantage by swapping out the CPU mod for a kincat. I'll have enough shield recharge to regen tank effectively, and enough buffer to move around a bit more instead of hugging scraps of cover. All in all, the new cal assault is a hard hitting, long range, hit n run beast with a shield tank strong enough to function without logi support for extended periods of time. The fit I posted earlier is IMO, perfect in way possible in the traditional caldari doctrines.

This game is looking a lot more like it belongs in the eve universe. Thanks for you and your teams hard work.

I'm kind of concerned at the moment..... EHP values just seems to be growing higher and higher...

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sidearms are Delta

Would make for an excellent sidearm. o7

It's called a bolt pistol lol

I agree, shield tanking is not only about high slots (read extender stacking), and if someone wants some reps, then a reactive, or rep module plus a regulator is nifty.