People are playing the maximum ehp game, regardless of viability. While assaults can't get more than sentinels, then there can not be ehp power creep.

However, we may need to intervene with normal plate fitting increases, the raw ehp stacking is not what we want for Dust.

My 3 lows will have complex shield regs.
I'd prefer if the base recharge rate of the cal assault was raised from 30 to 35 or 45 to make nergizers more useful.

At 40 hp/a base, you'd have 115 hp/s with two complex energizers. I'm all for it but not sure if it'd be necessary. Don't want to become op you know lol

People are playing the maximum ehp game, regardless of viability. While assaults can't get more than sentinels, then there can not be ehp power creep.

However, we may need to intervene with normal plate fitting increases, the raw ehp stacking is not what we want for Dust.

No... Why do you want to do that ??
Ok, Caldari has the "most-shield-tanking-fit", but it doesN'T NEED to have 5 hight slots... for 2 low...
The Minmatar is faster, and with our caldari (yes, I'm caldari assault) we can have a catalyser to become as fast as the minmatar is... AND have an armor repair + armor plate // dampener + reactive plate....

The worst thing is for the Basic and the Advanced one....
1 low slot ? Are you serious ?
IF you want to keep those slots, GIVE a PASSIVE ARMOR REPAIR to Caldari Assaults !
We need repair, you want to remove a low slot, give an armor repair... On my basic, I've 6hp/s and a bit armor...
So..... I'll have to remove and haven't any repair ? Joke please....

I love your work, you have made a lot of good things, but that... that's NOT what should be the Caldari Assault... NOT

Or, if you want not to change for the basic one, do the same thing like the Gallente
STA : 3/1
ADV : 3/2
PRO : 4/3

Please, Rattati, change your table, don't do that... don't do that...

CCP Rattati - I would like to know why you are removing one of the Caldari Sentinel high slots and adding a low slot? The Caldari Sentinel already struggles to compete with armour sentinels as it is and now removing a high slot will only further reduce my shield capabilities.

The low slot is only good for regulators which adding a second one wont really be of any value. Are you basically telling us to speed tank or heaven forbid dual tank with armour?

CCP Rattati - I understand you want to balance the game but this is yet another time where I feel your balancing efforts are going well beyond the realm of small balance changes and are instead forcing us to do certain things. I do not like this.

This also means now that the Caldari sentinel will share the same slot layout as the Minmatar Sentinel. This is baffling to say the least.

I also dislike how you are changing one of the core roles I speced into when picking the Gallente Scout (Long Range passive scans yet weaker than Caldari precision passive scans)

Just to add, both of those changes make little sense in any sort of lore perspective:

A - Caldari are meant to be the master shield tankers. 3 Highs in exchange for an extra low makes no sense and I feel only pushes the Caldari sentinel to more armour.

B. The Gallente are meant to have the best scanner / sensor tech in New Eden.

It would be nice to hear thoughts on this.

and try and make a Pro Cal Heavy Sent forger with 3 comp dam mods,PRO Ish Assault Forge with either PRO sidearm + ADV AV grenades or ADV sidearm + PRO AV grenades...

I'll tell you what will happen youll have two empty slots and not enough PG on a PROTO Heavy Sent suit that one of its roles for AV specialization is being undermined.

I agree with the 4/1 slot allocation but more important is that the Pro Cal Heavy Sent cant fullfill its roles with the proposed PG reduction at either 3/2 or 4/1.

Perhaps you should adjust your fit, then.

Aaaand your point is? You would have 400 shields....and still, so what? I would only use one...

If you only care about having high eHP, then it wouldn't apply to you lol.

Theres not much room for adjusting , your not suggesting that a Proto suit shouldnt be able to handle half a fit consisting of proto and adv gear?

Theres not much room for adjusting , your not suggesting that a Proto suit shouldnt be able to handle half a fit consisting of proto and adv gear?

I'm saying that when you fit a proto variant of a weapon, with multiple powergrid-hungry modules, and keep adding proto stuff, you will run out of fitting sooner than you'd like.

So yes, I am suggesting that you cannot have everything you want on a suit, no matter how hard you believe in yourself.

tldr this is you.

A major reason it costs 1,940,160 SP to get from adv to proto, over twice the SP than getting to adv, is to fit more proto and powergrid-hungry modules. Besides the gear I mentioned wasnt all proto and all slots hadnt been filled... still ran out of PG.

Please stop crying. You are ridiculous. Surely, all scouts and heavies... I always played my UP Caldari assault or logi. Now let us try new layouts and ehp before crying. Never seen posts like these when scouts and heavies got OP BUFF. So, please stop crying.

Question: Shell we revisit laser weapon heat build up since we tent to stack more and more armor?

Please stop crying. You are ridiculous. Surely, all scouts and heavies... I always played my UP Caldari assault or logi. Now let us try new layouts and ehp before crying. Never seen posts like these when scouts and heavies got OP BUFF. So, please stop crying.

Hi all,

We want to have this formal discussion and get your input. We believe that the community has wanted to have some say on this issue for some time, and now that I am studying this data in detail, some things brush me the wrong way (or my OCD).

Dropsuit Slot Layout

First table is Current, next table is proposed, and third tracks the difference in slots between the two.

We don't need to do any changes to these layouts right now. However, with PG/CPU increases for the Assault class on the horizon, more based on a PG/CPU allotment per slot type, it would be the right timing to swap a high with a low in strategic places, or add missing slots.

The new premise is a single matrix of racial high/low arrangements and then tactical choices of the other slots (EQ, SA, W, G). The proposed matrix is also intended to be more thematically in line with EVE Online racial slots.

Amarr highest number of low slots
Caldari highest number of high slots
Gallente equal number of highs and lows, preferring lows
Minmatar equal number of highs and lows, preferring highs

Moving forward with few changes without changing the whole layout of every dropsuit is certainly on the table as well. The logi sidearm f.ex. There are other "anomalies" that I would love to discuss, such as STD and ADV logi racial differences.

Of course if you see some errors, please let us know.

Have at it and keep it civil and constructive!

Your commando example replying to my earlier comment I don't think was a fair example given that I did not use all low slots for plates in my assault example, my assault example had an armor repairer, while your commando example did not.

I wasn't playing the maximum eHP game, I used an armor repairer (so all low slots weren't for HP tanking) and only ferroscales for a conservative estimate on a viable fit (a fit I would actually use). Since we're playing max eHP, I will join in. No weapons, more equipment, only HP mods.

I believe you stated before that the 150 HP for Amarr would be distributed 100 to armor, and 50 to shields.
Shields: 120 + 50 = 170 x 1.25 (shield skill bonus) = 212.5
Armor: 240 + 100 = 340 x 1.25 (armor skill bonus) = 425
Total eHP with skills before mods: 637.5

Now add:
+3 complex shield extenders. With the skill bonus, each extender is 72.6, all 3 total is 217.8.
+5 complex armor plate. With skill bonuses, each is 148.5, all total is 594

Add it all up, you get 1,449.3
Here is the protofits link to make sure it all fits.



Now, going to do the same maximum HP test on a Amarr commando ak.0. Just like with the assault example, I will fill it to the brim with complex plates and complex extenders. No armor repairers, or anything else.
It all adds up to 1368.1, the commando now has a lesser HP ceiling than the assault.
Here is the protofits link.



Anyway, if either the 8th slot, or the HP had to go, I say that the HP should definitely stay while the 8th slot should definitely go. The slot raises the gap between standard and proto even higher (bad), while the HP buff would effect all tiers equally (good). I would also be fine if the HP buff was less, like 100 perhaps.

Please stop crying. You are ridiculous. Surely, all scouts and heavies... I always played my UP Caldari assault or logi. Now let us try new layouts and ehp before crying. Never seen posts like these when scouts and heavies got OP BUFF. So, please stop crying.

For the record, Scouts are by and large in favor of Assault buffs.

Maybe those people (who cry) don't want a new fit to be good, because rhey have choose a fit (scout) which was good to make the assault's job, but after the hotfix, the scouts will not be able to make assault's job, and they don't like it

The Amarr fit you shared can't fit a weapon. The commando can. Not exactly comparable nor viable. With a proto scrambler this AK max ehp fit is approx

The path is clear however, this overemphasis of eHP buffing has to be countered, simply by increasing PG of plates, it is obvious and imminent.