WTF would you put a shield extender on an Amarr sentinel? That hurts my head.

It's an abomination, it is.

Why don't you ask for more plate buffs? Oh wait you have in several the threads, even though EVERY ONE armor tanks because shields alone are not viable.

Armor Rep = 10HP/s
Caldari Recharge = 30hp/s, 5 seconds delay

1st second:
Armor 10HP
Shield 0HP

2nd Second:
Armor 20HP
Shield 0HP

.......

5th Second:
Armor 50HP
Shield 0HP

6th Second:
Armor 60HP
Shield 30HP

7th Second:
Armor 70HP
Shield 60HP

8th Second:
Armor 80HP
Shield 90HP

9th Second:
Armor 90HP
Shield 120HP

10th Second:
Armor 100HP
Shield 150HP


Armor Repair: 11PG, 45CPU
Shield Recharge: Free

Yes Sgt kirk no defence by itself is viable that is not the issue.

at this point which would be more viable:

A shield suit with 300 shield and 100 armor with a 5 second recharge delay that reps at 100 shield per second
or
An armor suit with 100 shield and 300 armor with zero delay repping at 40 armor immediately per second.

If both players are equally skilled the advantage goes to the armor reps as he ( at almost 1/3 the reps ) has 200 more hp before the shields rep once.

while both are viable.. which is more viable?

As a sidenote: Calm the fuck down please

so cat merc with 2 complex reps make your ingenious table again

Except 40hp/s would put your HP at... base armor... 250....

Sure, then add an Energizer.
3 shield extenders + energizer puts you at my HP level

yes same starting hp which you will outrep, even without logis and rep hives, enough to push the shield assault with an advantage

Now cat merc pretend you have a logi bro with a rep tool and rep hives and the caldari opponent has a logibro with a repair tool and rep hives. Does the armor player still have the advantage?

2 people vs 1 person

That rep guy is wasting his time, as he would be better off just shooting that guy, dealing double the DPS together.

The rep is only really used after the battle, or when dealing with a heavy, which is a completely different beast.

So your logibro wouldn'tdrop a rep hive for you before the eengagement? That's odd since it would be so useful.

Especially if all 4 players are equally skilled and have equal dps output.

are you sure this is how you want to portray you understanding of dust mechanics?

As all 4 players have equal skill, let's say you forgot to have a rep hive placed, now all 4 take cover equally close to death, will the caldari suit benefit from his logi Bros reps as much as you?

Back peddling, and no, armor is far ahead of shields at this moment in time. If youwish we can agree to disagree and you may take your leave and let our discussion speak for itself.

I would be more than happy to do that.

But if you are more interested in explaining how shields and armor are balanced now because YOU don't use logis, or rep hives, or rep tools, or damage mods, or more than one armor repairer, or fully stack you lows with plates, and still manage to do well verses shield suits of equal skill, well then carry on......

I will stay up all night and fight for shields to be balanced while you for some reason believe that GOING ON AND ON ABOUT YOUR EFFECTIVENESS while not utilizing your suit to its full potential in a squad based game , is painting a picture of shield and armor parity.

As per cat merc, his armor based suit does not require the myriad of beneficial tools available to benefit armor in order to be on par with a shield suit user that is desperately using every resource available. And this is balance according to cat merc.

Excellent agree to disagree



I rep any suit with armor as a logi, a force multiplyer, especially an armor tanked gal assault, with a triage hive HE WILL NOT DIE. So i guess you were wrong there.. but hey, agree to disagree.

( by the way rep tools go in the equipment slot and as a logi I carry a gun for pew pew )

you would be amazed by the effectiveness of triage hives on an armor suit! You simply must try it some time vs shield tankers, unless you find it unnecessary due to the current state of shield vs armor. That I can understand cat merc.

stack a complex ferro scale,or a complex reactive with anything. . THANK YOU DIMINISHING RETURNS!!!! Oh I'm guessing you don't do this as you find it unnecessary due to the current state of shield vs armor. That I can understand.

More than one armor repairer? Well I guess we agree there, sure is nice isn't it? That I can understand.

I am not attacking you, I am shining a light on the flaws of your implied logic. Shields are not in a good place right now. I don't think you are insulting me be stating otherwise, but you have not brought up any valid points to defend your opinion other than to state that even by denying yourself many of the benefits to tanking armor, you can still run a viable fit vs a shield tanked suit using every benefit available to shields. THAT is what boggles my mind when you follow up such statements with " shields and armor are very balanced ".

Good thing you chose to proto your armor assault after the suit respect eh? I can understand that.

agree to disagree

*Cough* Ignoring my explanations to every single point you made here *Cough*

*ahem*

No valid explanations to the discussion were given.

You basically restated that you don't require any of the added benefits to an armor based suit as you can hang with elite caldari assaulters without using triage hives, a repping logi, damage mods or anything other than the fact that armor constantlyreps you for 20 ticks per second, without interruption, for 5 seconds while that caldari waits for 5 seconds for you to jump around a corner and shoot him.

You are confusing your explanation with being a proof of shield and armor balance. That's what the discussion is about. But if you feel you must, please again explain how shields and armor are balanced because you don't use triage hives.

anything else?

*ahem*

That's only true in your mind bud.





Now excuse me while I go stomp in my Minmatar Assault.

no sense in even posting with Doc DDD and Cat Merc drowning out everything we say

help! *gurgle* I can't swim in this giant storm of QQ!

no sense in even posting with Doc DDD and Cat Merc drowning out everything we say

help! *gurgle* I can't swim in this giant storm of QQ!