And looking at the assault buff, I'm now a bit worried about commandos. With 8 slots and 150 extra EHP, assaults can easily become harder to kill than commandos while taking 2 damage mods to compensate commandos natural bonus.

And looking at the assault buff, I'm now a bit worried about commandos. With 8 slots and 150 extra EHP, assaults can easily become harder to kill than commandos while taking 2 damage mods to compensate commandos natural bonus.

Here is what I get with caldari assault and commando (buffing the HP as much as possible while keeping one complex armour repairer for the commando) :
The commando
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/903/3167

The assault
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/903/5674

Now add 150 eHP to the assault and one complex armour plate, the assault has the same damage output, slightly more eHP, the same reload speed, better shield recharge delay and rate, better scan profile and precision, a better stamina and is faster than the commando.

Having no armor reps was the inherent worry, so regulator and repper capability were widely requested. Having only one low makes you choose, and in many cases the rep would be preferred, making the shield tank less viable.

Just my thoughts, am I way off?

And we are back.

TLDR;
Charlie: New slot layout adopted for Sentinels and Assaults, with corresponding PG/CPU adaptations plus PG/CPU buff for Assaults and reduction for Sentinels. Universal slot layout matrix for Caldari changed from 4-1 to 3-2.

Now, based on your consolidated feedback,

The standardized slot layout matrix was pretty well received, yet overall there were the following worries:

1)Caldari Scouts not having 2 low slots at ADV, so couldnGÇÿt effectively dampen like the other three scouts
a.Scouts will be standardized and revised in Delta using the matrix.
b.Therefore, no changes to Scouts in Charlie, but KinCat, CodeBreaker and Nova Knife PG reduced so Minmatar will be able to fit with abandon.

2)Caldari Sentinels not having 2 low slots at PRO, so canGÇÿt fit an armor rep and regulator (for example)
a.Easy fix to this is to change the matrix to 3-2 instead of 4-1 for Caldari 5 slots.
b.Sentinel slots need to be changed in Charlie with corresponding PG/CPU changes.
c.Sentinels then get a fitting bonus to Heavy weapons and a moderate reduction of PG/CPU in Charlie.

3)Logistics, Amarr side arm and Caldari low slot at PRO
a.Our proposal is to give both the sidearm at the cost of a single slot, not two as in the case of the Amarr. The Caldari will trade a low slot for the sidearm and the Amarr will trade an equipment slot for the sidearm. Not until Delta though.

4)Logistics, Gallente and Caldari STD and ADV to have equal total slot count as other Logistics
a. These are scheduled for Delta as well as PG/CPU revisions if necessary.

5)Commandos
a.No changes in Charlie, new layout according to matrix in Delta and corresponding tweaks of PG/CPU.

6)Assault
a.Very few grievances, if at all, with the new the new Assault suit layout, so will be adopted fully in Charlie
b.Assault will move to a 4-6-8 layout of slots, gaining one high/low slot at both ADV and PRO. This standardizes Mediums and gives Assault a huge boost towards being a viable options in competitive surroundings.
c.Assault will also get the same fitting bonus to Grenades.
d.Assault will be getting a considerable buff to PG/CPU, shield tanking will be addressed but we are also looking at bringing energizers and rechargers down and trading for a small PG increase in Delta
e. Assault will gain 150 ehp.


Please give us feedback on this, and this time please stay on topic. Thanks.

You will find that highly contested. We are hoping the combat logi designs and choice will tell us something about such player demand and desires. With assaults being buffed, there should be no worry about another dawn of the slayer logis.

... And that's why we call them "Assault"

Don't forget, assault only has 1 light weapon, the fit is more expensive
The fit commando : you can fit others things, you have many PG which are free
For the assault one, that's just enought
And don't play assault with armor plate and armor repair please
The dmg mod aren't +10% together, the first makes +5%, the second +3.8% (for example)

AND PS : Caldari assault'll have 3 low slots with 5 hight, ytes I now, that's cool, I'm very excited

PS2: all assault aren't like this one

EDIT : PS3: the idea is assault and commando are almost the same, isn't it ?

Commando is a support class
Assault is an assault class
So, assault must have many HP, stamina, speed and regen (I speak for the Calda)
Commando must make damage, so you can get 1-2 damager on your fit, and have enought HP to survive... and stay behind assault, to help them.
I don't understand why people think commando is to make assault's job...
That's a Caldari assault suit : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/5676
Add an enhanced cardiac regulator and it's ok
=> The assault has 40HP/s shield regen, a good stamina and stamina regen, the Assault RR, and an enhanced damager
For the Commando : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/5677
=> You have 855HP life....
=> you have 35HP/s shield regen
=> you have 6HP/s armor repair
=> you have 2 proto weapon : Kaalakiota RR and Assault Ishukone RR
=> K-2 nanohive
=> enhanced damager
That's what must have a commando ck.0
Why ?
- with the 2 RR, you can kill people from far
- you can be independent (armor repairer, nanohive)
- you can get 35hp/s shield regen

So, I don't know what's the problem, if you fit correctly and you play good your class, there aren't any problem...

We would rather cut the ehp buff than the additional slots, we feel it underlines the versatility aspect of the assault, spec for the situation.

We would rather cut the ehp buff than the additional slots, we feel it underlines the versatility aspect of the assault, spec for the situation.

I don't say that's the way I want to fit those two classes, it was just an example to show that the assault can beat the commando at nearly everything. In my example, the only advantage the commando has is the two light weapons, which isn't much better than the light+sidearm+grenades of the assault. About the damage mods, you don't add them, but multiply them so in the example I gave, the assault has a DPS of 491 and the commando 493, so the same.
I also think that commandos are supposed to get max damage (my minmatar commando has only damage mods on the left), but in that case, they're much more fragile than assaults who are medium suits, and that's what shocks me as the commando is still a heavy.

Your fits really give different roles to the commando and to the assault because it's the way Caldari are supposed to be played, but if you take Amarr suits, it's completely different as both will rely on a high armour. In this case, the commando is beaten everywhere because the assault can get nearly the same damage with his 3 high slots and he has the nice overheat bonus which is much more useful than reload speed for laser weaponry. Here you can do whatever you want with the commando, the assault can do the same or even better

... if you were to simply lower shotgun damage and HMG rof, the two are usually the reason why Assaults need a buff.

For me the extra slot isn't necessary, the +150HP is enought. Keep the "considerable PG/CPU bff" for assault, and delete this extra slot and it's ok, we could have more PG/CPUP to fit better mods, but the extra mod could send the assault a bit OP I think
I love this idea to have an extra slot, but it could become a bit ....

Assaults need both just now. Would of been nice to see new racial bonus like gallante with increased rate of fire for example.
Or something new added because lets admitt scout's are everywhere fotm and needs changing Asap, dont think these changes that are announced will change that.

Rate of fire for gallente would be OP, mainly if it's the only assault which has a bonus on rate of fire...
But yes, I think the eHP buff is the BEST thing to stop assault-scout
Why ?
F. ex : a caldari scout which want to have the hightest HP shield, must have 4 shield extenders
to have : +/- 453 hp shield
If CCP gives the +150eHP buff, a caldassault (with the passive) can have, without mods, 450 shield.
Between a scout PRO (+/- 130k ISK) or a STA assaut (+/-10k/17k ISK) which have the same eHP shield, I'ld prefer the assault

would rather know where you are on the field than have the 150EHP.

A scout will still be able to see you, and at range. You wont. A big benefit in an FPS

Having no armor reps was the inherent worry, so regulator and repper capability were widely requested. Having only one low makes you choose, and in many cases the rep would be preferred, making the shield tank less viable.

Just my thoughts, am I way off?

Here are new proposals for PG/CPU numbers that take into account revised slot layouts for Assaults and Sentinels.

These are quite extensively tested and should allow, with all skills maxed to fit quite well.

But nothing is better than players proving you wrong, so take a look and comment.

Feedback that was taken into account that

1) Amarr had been given a similar boost, while they always had more PG/CPU but fewer slots. With the extra slot, such a discrepancy should not continue.

2) Caldari simply should not be forced to take a CPU mod, unless doing absolutely crazy things CPU wise. Caldari should now be able to fit competitively.

3) Even after the first proposed numbers, the consistent feedback was, Sentinels can still fit anything and still have space. We took another deep look and tweaked. Caldari Sentinels and Minmatar should also be more viable compared to their sentinel brethren now.


New PG/CPU Assaults and Sentinels