so caldari scouts would have 5 highs do you know how many super shield caldari and super armor amarr we r going to see.. yup were dead

Hi all,

We want to have this formal discussion and get your input. We believe that the community has wanted to have some say on this issue for some time, and now that I am studying this data in detail, some things brush me the wrong way (or my OCD).

Dropsuit Slot Layout

First table is Current, next table is proposed, and third tracks the difference in slots between the two.

We don't need to do any changes to these layouts right now. However, with PG/CPU increases for the Assault class on the horizon, more based on a PG/CPU allotment per slot type, it would be the right timing to swap a high with a low in strategic places, or add missing slots.

The new premise is a single matrix of racial high/low arrangements and then tactical choices of the other slots (EQ, SA, W, G). The proposed matrix is also intended to be more thematically in line with EVE Online racial slots.

Amarr highest number of low slots
Caldari highest number of high slots
Gallente equal number of highs and lows, preferring lows
Minmatar equal number of highs and lows, preferring highs

Moving forward with few changes without changing the whole layout of every dropsuit is certainly on the table as well. The logi sidearm f.ex. There are other "anomalies" that I would love to discuss, such as STD and ADV logi racial differences.

Of course if you see some errors, please let us know.

Have at it and keep it civil and constructive!

Hi all,
Caldari highest number of high slots
Minmatar equal number of highs and lows, preferring highs

Slot progression in dropsuits between tiers is too pronounced for medium frames. Especially for classes like Logistics.

Please Rattati... seriously consider a pseudo-tiercide approach to this to make STD/ADV suits more viable against PRO suits. Even if PRO gear is less worth its price tag, it still will always have a place.

Option 1: All tiers have the same number of slots, with progressive CPU/PG. STD suits can fit the same number of modules, just of less quality. This helps even out the power creep in dropsuit tiers and makes the game FAR less about level 5 or go home.

Option 2: Reduce the module layout progression to 1 module per tier. Such that you go from 5 STD to 6 ADV to 7 PRO. Moving away from this 4 to 6 to 8 that is currently proposed for Logistics suits and 4 to 5 to 7 that is being proposed for Assaults. Make the medium frame progression similar to how it is for light and heavy suits.

Option 1 I think is vastly superior though and would help the NPE if new players could feel they are close to, but not quite, as powerful as veteran players.

I also agree that medium frame Amarr suits would benefit from a 2/5 layout to better reinforce their high buffer armor tank style.

No... Why do you want to do that ??
Ok, Caldari has the "most-shield-tanking-fit", but it doesN'T NEED to have 5 hight slots... for 2 low...
The Minmatar is faster, and with our caldari (yes, I'm caldari assault) we can have a catalyser to become as fast as the minmatar is... AND have an armor repair + armor plate // dampener + reactive plate....

The worst thing is for the Basic and the Advanced one....
1 low slot ? Are you serious ?
IF you want to keep those slots, GIVE a PASSIVE ARMOR REPAIR to Caldari Assaults !
We need repair, you want to remove a low slot, give an armor repair... On my basic, I've 6hp/s and a bit armor...
So..... I'll have to remove and haven't any repair ? Joke please....

I love your work, you have made a lot of good things, but that... that's NOT what should be the Caldari Assault... NOT

Or, if you want not to change for the basic one, do the same thing like the Gallente
STA : 3/1
ADV : 3/2
PRO : 4/3

Please, Rattati, change your table, don't do that... don't do that...

As a minmatar assault I want to say this. A 5/2 layout is always what the cal assault should've had. You will be able to achieve over 600 shield and have a recharger as well. You don't need the lows slots. Try out this fit for the cal assault

4x shield extender
1x shield energizer

1x CPU mod
1x reactive

It'll be awesome, really.

Thanks Rattati for fixing my min slit layout

I hear you, but I want to get started on actual layout standardization first.

Option 1 has merit, but is too drastic a change.

Option 2 could be done, but these are the current progressions, we are actually not proposing different totals of slots per role per tier. These are the reality, i.e. the 4-6-8 for Logis etc.

The idea is ok
But, after 1.8, after the dropsuit command respe, I've choosed the Caldari Assault because the suit had (still has until Hotfix C) 4HS and 3LS
If I wanted to have 5HS and 2LS, I'ld choose the Minmatar.
I'll s**k because I would have choosed a fit which willn't be lika I wanted...

EDIT : And at the moment I don't have to fit a CPU mod, So I'll lose an other low slot to fit shield ?
And ... lose a BASIC armor plate (85HP) to fit a COMPLEXE shield extender (66), I think I'm a bit f*cked

Changing the slot layout is all good & well when u r doing it w/transparency & with player input as u r; however, this would definately call for a dropsuit command respec.

I hear you, but I want to get started on actual layout standardization first.

Option 1 has merit, but is too drastic a change.

Option 2 could be done, but these are the current progressions, we are actually not proposing different totals of slots per role per tier. These are the reality, i.e. the 4-6-8 for Logis etc.

Hi all,

We want to have this formal discussion and get your input. We believe that the community has wanted to have some say on this issue for some time, and now that I am studying this data in detail, some things brush me the wrong way (or my OCD).

Dropsuit Slot Layout

First table is Current, next table is proposed, and third tracks the difference in slots between the two.

We don't need to do any changes to these layouts right now. However, with PG/CPU increases for the Assault class on the horizon, more based on a PG/CPU allotment per slot type, it would be the right timing to swap a high with a low in strategic places, or add missing slots.

The new premise is a single matrix of racial high/low arrangements and then tactical choices of the other slots (EQ, SA, W, G). The proposed matrix is also intended to be more thematically in line with EVE Online racial slots.

Amarr highest number of low slots
Caldari highest number of high slots
Gallente equal number of highs and lows, preferring lows
Minmatar equal number of highs and lows, preferring highs

Moving forward with few changes without changing the whole layout of every dropsuit is certainly on the table as well. The logi sidearm f.ex. There are other "anomalies" that I would love to discuss, such as STD and ADV logi racial differences.

Of course if you see some errors, please let us know.

Have at it and keep it civil and constructive!

Well, I'd like a 2/5 layout for Amarr Assault; I don't like that we share a layout with the Gallente Assault; makes the differences in the two suits far less pronounced.

I very much want to keep my logistics sidearm, or I would like my uplink bonus expanded to function until I switch suits, rather than until I die.

That's all for now, I think.

Caldari logis losing a low slot in exchange for an extra equipment slot kills the suit with current cpu levels.

shield based suits are very cpu hungry, energizers require 96 cpu, recharges and extenders also have high requirements

losing that low slot means an equipment slot may have to be empty just to have shields at a point where a scrambler rifle will still two shot you.

Running a caldari scout as a logi will be more effective than running a caldari logi as a logi unless i an really focused on using 2 extra pieces of equipment on my squishy, slow moving, no sidearm, poorly scanning, slow shield recharging, larger hit boxed, more expensive, death trap.

why run Cal logi instead of Cal scout?

Put 4 proto equips in the slots of the proposed Cal logi and see what you are left with in your other slots. It's not pretty.

No... Why do you want to do that ??
Ok, Caldari has the "most-shield-tanking-fit", but it doesN'T NEED to have 5 hight slots... for 2 low...
The Minmatar is faster, and with our caldari (yes, I'm caldari assault) we can have a catalyser to become as fast as the minmatar is... AND have an armor repair + armor plate // dampener + reactive plate....

The worst thing is for the Basic and the Advanced one....
1 low slot ? Are you serious ?
IF you want to keep those slots, GIVE a PASSIVE ARMOR REPAIR to Caldari Assaults !
We need repair, you want to remove a low slot, give an armor repair... On my basic, I've 6hp/s and a bit armor...
So..... I'll have to remove and haven't any repair ? Joke please....

I love your work, you have made a lot of good things, but that... that's NOT what should be the Caldari Assault... NOT

Or, if you want not to change for the basic one, do the same thing like the Gallente
STA : 3/1
ADV : 3/2
PRO : 4/3

Please, Rattati, change your table, don't do that... don't do that...

No. This mentality is sickening. If people would pick their suits based on the role and racial fitting philosophy this respec thing would never arise. What you are asking for is just a first class flight to the next FOTM.

All Rattati is doing here is driving fittings towards their eve philosophy.

I've been minmatar assault since it was created because I preferred the idea of a speed based versatile assault suit. This is finally being realized.

I understand, but you should've have chosen your suit based on philosophy ie Caldari are shield tankers. Maybe you didn't know, which is something that CCP could explain better.

Trust me though, it won't suck by any means. Yes you may have a little less HP total but you'll have the fastest regenerating HP pool of assaults. You might not have to fit a CPU mod but I recommend you do so you can put a beast mode energizer on.

Oh and by the way, a complex shield is far better than a basic armor for Caldari. Why? Because the shield will regen much faster and will not slow you down. Speed and strafe is key to working a shield tank.

As a minmatar assault I want to say this. A 5/2 layout is always what the cal assault should've had. You will be able to achieve over 600 shield and have a recharger as well. You don't need the lows slots. Try out this fit for the cal assault

4x shield extender
1x shield energizer

1x CPU mod
1x reactive

It'll be awesome, really.

Thanks Rattati for fixing my min slit layout