As a minmatar assault I want to say this. A 5/2 layout is always what the cal assault should've had. You will be able to achieve over 600 shield and have a recharger as well. You don't need the lows slots. Try out this fit for the cal assault

4x shield extender
1x shield energizer

1x CPU mod
1x reactive

It'll be awesome, really.

Thanks Rattati for fixing my min slit layout

+1 for saying that Amarr should be buffer tanks.

That's what regulators are for.

Why dont you try running 2x reg, 4x shield, 1x recharge (after CPU buff)

That suit will have fantastic regen for its health pool

I've beer understood running armor on Cal suits. Shield suits brah

Cal suits are severely lacking CPU to fit high-slot modules.
I like the slot layouts, i just hope they can having the fitting flexibility to actually use them all.

When I said "I use armor plates" that was an example.
Yes, on an Advanced caldari assault, I'll be able to fit just 1 regulator, and, if we haven't any armor (that's normal with a Caldari) we must have a good regulation, don't we ?

The raison I still play with armor plates and armor repair is that our shield isn't enought effective. We should have :
- more shield regen (something like 40-50HP/s => do that with a racial bonus (10%regen / level))
- a better regulation (something like 3sec and 5 sec)
- more speed (for all assaults)
- more stamina + stamina regen

An other solution :
=> change the shield regen with the caldari scout one's
30hp/s for a scout, that's enought but for the caldari assault, must have more regen I think

EDIT : for the Gallente logi (STA end ADV) that's perfect for me

Well, that vaguely answers one question.

Sure, Amarr Logis aren't big slayers right now but it's such an isolated case... The Amarr Assault -does- have a really good bonus that pretty much everyone can agree makes it a much better slayer than the Amarr Logi, even with the sidearm.

But consider, if you will, what's going to happen if the Caldari Logistics gets a sidearm when compared to the Caldari Assault. Based on your proposed slot layouts and numbers for Hotfix Charlie, the Cal Logi has one more low and two more equipment slots (proto level) on top of having better CPU/PG.

Assuming all skills level 5 and both fit a (proto) Rail Rifle and Magsec combo, the Assault's bonus saves 30 CPU and 5 PG in cost between the two of them. But on the other hand, the Caldari Logi has 43 CPU and 17 more PG than the Caldari Assault, even with the Hotfix Charlie stats (a 13 CPU/12 PG difference).

So who really saves here? If I make equipment my last priority, the Caldari Logi already has better fitting across the board (more slots, better resources) than the Cal Assault does, even with the Assaults' bonus to weapon fitting.

So the Logi beats the Assault on resources/fitting. What about EHP and Speed?

Assault has 38 more shields and 37 more armor. But hey, Cal Logi got an extra low slot, so no big deal right?
Speed? Talking about a 0.3m/s difference.

Comparing them side by side, I still think that the Caldari Logi is the better slayer here. EDIT: Please, someone sanity check me here if you feel that I'm wrong - maybe I'm not looking at this from the right light.

EDIT: The point that I'm trying to make here is that, yes, Assaults should be better than Logis and it's -one way- to make encourage the slayer Logis to use Assaults instead; but the current proposal(s) don't seem quite enough. Personally, I'd prefer to make Logis more supportive instead of just defaulting to giving them more combat options and hoping they use it responsibly.

MY ASSAULT SHALL RISE FROM THE ASHES AND STRIKE DOWN THE FOTM SCRUBS!
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Having no armor reps was the inherent worry, so regulator and repper capability were widely requested. Having only one low makes you choose, and in many cases the rep would be preferred, making the shield tank less viable.

Just my thoughts, am I way off?

Here are new proposals for PG/CPU numbers that take into account revised slot layouts for Assaults and Sentinels.

These are quite extensively tested and should allow, with all skills maxed to fit quite well.

But nothing is better than players proving you wrong, so take a look and comment.

Feedback that was taken into account that

1) Amarr had been given a similar boost, while they always had more PG/CPU but fewer slots. With the extra slot, such a discrepancy should not continue.

2) Caldari simply should not be forced to take a CPU mod, unless doing absolutely crazy things CPU wise. Caldari should now be able to fit competitively.

3) Even after the first proposed numbers, the consistent feedback was, Sentinels can still fit anything and still have space. We took another deep look and tweaked. Caldari Sentinels and Minmatar should also be more viable compared to their sentinel brethren now.


New PG/CPU Assaults and Sentinels

Would make for an excellent sidearm. o7

My 3 lows will have complex shield regs.
I'd prefer if the base recharge rate of the cal assault was raised from 30 to 35 or 45 to make nergizers more useful.

Aaaand your point is? You would have 400 shields....and still, so what? I would only use one...

I've raised the point about tier progression a couple of times since you got into your current position, but you've never directly answered, so here's the question to shut me up:

Are new players supposed to have any chance of having fun at all when they are in a battle that one or more vets are in?
Answer this question and we can save ourselves quite some effort going forward.

OK so I'm now thinking I like all the buffs for assaults; capacity, 8 slots at pro, and hp. With that said, I believe the capcity cost of all hp modules should be increased by quite a bit, maybe 150%. This will drive away dual tankers, fix the raw eHP stacking problem we have, diversify fits, create use for capacity modules, and make base HP a more stable balancing mechanic.

Also here's a shield tanked minmatar for Charlie with 8 slots

Charlie Assault mk.0

With the HP buff we are looking at about 470 shield and 300 armor. BUT if hp module capacity costs were increased I'd probably drop the extra extender for a damage mod. This would then be 400 shield and 300 armor. A very nice looking assault suit.

One last thing is I still think that minmatar assault shield delays are too long. They are currently 6/8 while even the minmatar logistics is 5/6. Even with 2 complex regulators my delay is still 2.5 seconds. I'd say drop the minmatar assault delay to 5/7. This will allow us to properly regulate our shields (2 complex regulators would then = 2 sec). We already suffer from a painfully slow shield regen of 25 and lower eHP.