Here are new proposals for PG/CPU numbers that take into account revised slot layouts for Assaults and Sentinels.

These are quite extensively tested and should allow, with all skills maxed to fit quite well.

But nothing is better than players proving you wrong, so take a look and comment.

Feedback that was taken into account that

1) Amarr had been given a similar boost, while they always had more PG/CPU but fewer slots. With the extra slot, such a discrepancy should not continue.

2) Caldari simply should not be forced to take a CPU mod, unless doing absolutely crazy things CPU wise. Caldari should now be able to fit competitively.

3) Even after the first proposed numbers, the consistent feedback was, Sentinels can still fit anything and still have space. We took another deep look and tweaked. Caldari Sentinels and Minmatar should also be more viable compared to their sentinel brethren now.


New PG/CPU Assaults and Sentinels

Are you sure about giving Assault suits similar EHP potential of Commandos? You may have to buff racial bonus from +2% per level to +3%.

Here are new proposals for PG/CPU numbers that take into account revised slot layouts for Assaults and Sentinels.

These are quite extensively tested and should allow, with all skills maxed to fit quite well.

But nothing is better than players proving you wrong, so take a look and comment.

Feedback that was taken into account that

1) Amarr had been given a similar boost, while they always had more PG/CPU but fewer slots. With the extra slot, such a discrepancy should not continue.

2) Caldari simply should not be forced to take a CPU mod, unless doing absolutely crazy things CPU wise. Caldari should now be able to fit competitively.

3) Even after the first proposed numbers, the consistent feedback was, Sentinels can still fit anything and still have space. We took another deep look and tweaked. Caldari Sentinels and Minmatar should also be more viable compared to their sentinel brethren now.


New PG/CPU Assaults and Sentinels

Buffing ehp will be the final decision, but if new slot theory crafting suggests it will be too much, then we can happily reconsider.

Buffing ehp will be the final decision, but if new slot theory crafting suggests it will be too much, then we can happily reconsider.

You will find that highly contested. We are hoping the combat logi designs and choice will tell us something about such player demand and desires. With assaults being buffed, there should be no worry about another dawn of the slayer logis.

personally the logis should just have a light weapon. its how it always was and anyone who is a real logi and playedthe class since the start wont mind. we're used to just havign a single weapon. seems the guys who want to use the logis as slayers are the ones doign the whining about sidearms beign taken. if you want to reduce slayer logis then harsh steps have to be taken. drop pg/cpu of logis and increase the equipment bonus. same with assaults and light wepaons. to cut down on heavies and scouts with light wepaons incrwase fittign requirements of light wepaons and increase the bonus assaults get.

that way you have a choice of usign a gun on a different suit but you're persuaded to use the weapon tier to th esuit. its liek in EVE the Raven can use heavy missile launchers vs smaller enemies but it gets skill bonus to cruise/torp launchers.
same as the cloak. you can fit a cloak on a commando. you cant fit much else on it but you can if you wanted to.

there are hundreds of game mechanics in eve that should have been in dust from the start and it would have been a far better game for it and it still could. peopel will whine that it would make it complicated but there are already complicated issues in dust anyway and we get around that by the experienced players passing info down through word of mouth and player written guides on the forums. its what has made the eve community stick around for 11yrs whereas dust struggled to last a year out of beta

Buffing ehp will be the final decision, but if new slot theory crafting suggests it will be too much, then we can happily reconsider.

Buffing ehp will be the final decision, but if new slot theory crafting suggests it will be too much, then we can happily reconsider.

EDIT : I think people who don't want the eHP buff for assault, haven't played the assault suit since 1.8
I know how is the assault. This bonus is the best way to have a good assault

Here are new proposals for PG/CPU numbers that take into account revised slot layouts for Assaults and Sentinels.

These are quite extensively tested and should allow, with all skills maxed to fit quite well.

But nothing is better than players proving you wrong, so take a look and comment.

Feedback that was taken into account that

1) Amarr had been given a similar boost, while they always had more PG/CPU but fewer slots. With the extra slot, such a discrepancy should not continue.

2) Caldari simply should not be forced to take a CPU mod, unless doing absolutely crazy things CPU wise. Caldari should now be able to fit competitively.

3) Even after the first proposed numbers, the consistent feedback was, Sentinels can still fit anything and still have space. We took another deep look and tweaked. Caldari Sentinels and Minmatar should also be more viable compared to their sentinel brethren now.


New PG/CPU Assaults and Sentinels

Best way of making Commando irrelevant.

No, they have DPS.

And base hp.

And we are back.

TLDR;
Charlie: New slot layout adopted for Sentinels and Assaults, with corresponding PG/CPU adaptations plus PG/CPU buff for Assaults and reduction for Sentinels. Universal slot layout matrix for Caldari changed from 4-1 to 3-2.

Now, based on your consolidated feedback,

The standardized slot layout matrix was pretty well received, yet overall there were the following worries:

1)Caldari Scouts not having 2 low slots at ADV, so couldnGÇÿt effectively dampen like the other three scouts
a.Scouts will be standardized and revised in Delta using the matrix.
b.Therefore, no changes to Scouts in Charlie, but KinCat, CodeBreaker and Nova Knife PG reduced so Minmatar will be able to fit with abandon.

2)Caldari Sentinels not having 2 low slots at PRO, so canGÇÿt fit an armor rep and regulator (for example)
a.Easy fix to this is to change the matrix to 3-2 instead of 4-1 for Caldari 5 slots.
b.Sentinel slots need to be changed in Charlie with corresponding PG/CPU changes.
c.Sentinels then get a fitting bonus to Heavy weapons and a moderate reduction of PG/CPU in Charlie.

3)Logistics, Amarr side arm and Caldari low slot at PRO
a.Our proposal is to give both the sidearm at the cost of a single slot, not two as in the case of the Amarr. The Caldari will trade a low slot for the sidearm and the Amarr will trade an equipment slot for the sidearm. Not until Delta though.

4)Logistics, Gallente and Caldari STD and ADV to have equal total slot count as other Logistics
a. These are scheduled for Delta as well as PG/CPU revisions if necessary.

5)Commandos
a.No changes in Charlie, new layout according to matrix in Delta and corresponding tweaks of PG/CPU.

6)Assault
a.Very few grievances, if at all, with the new the new Assault suit layout, so will be adopted fully in Charlie
b.Assault will move to a 4-6-8 layout of slots, gaining one high/low slot at both ADV and PRO. This standardizes Mediums and gives Assault a huge boost towards being a viable options in competitive surroundings.
c.Assault will also get the same fitting bonus to Grenades.
d.Assault will be getting a considerable buff to PG/CPU, shield tanking will be addressed but we are also looking at bringing energizers and rechargers down and trading for a small PG increase in Delta
e. Assault will gain 150 ehp.


Please give us feedback on this, and this time please stay on topic. Thanks.

And two light weapons ...

Alldin Kan hails from Fantasy Land.

And a bigger Hitbox
And slower movement

Finally, will the buff to Caldari Assault make it have more cpu than the Caldari Logistics? All of the assault capacity levels seem to be bordering Logistics....not sure how everyone feels about that.

I know this thread isn't about logistics, but seems kinda off, could be wrong though.

Finally, will the buff to Caldari Assault make it have more cpu than the Caldari Logistics? All of the assault capacity levels seem to be bordering Logistics....not sure how everyone feels about that.

I know this thread isn't about logistics, but seems kinda off, could be wrong though.

Having no armor reps was the inherent worry, so regulator and repper capability were widely requested. Having only one low makes you choose, and in many cases the rep would be preferred, making the shield tank less viable.

Just my thoughts, am I way off?

And a bigger Hitbox
And slower movement

I see where you are coming from, personally if I want reps on a cal sentinal I would use the one low slot for reactive or armor repper, but to be honest I am trying my hardest to go pure shield tank with it and only push forward with full shields. Usually just to back around a corner when shields are down to near zero, but then hopefully I am not alone as I am a better support heavy in caldari suit.

The big bonus is vs dropships with a forge, they have a difficult time with nice stacked shields quickly regenerating as I rarely sit in the open on top of a tower (jumping out of tank with forge = dropship activating afterburner).

Buffing ehp will be the final decision, but if new slot theory crafting suggests it will be too much, then we can happily reconsider.

My 2 ISK would be to hold off on a decision on the EHP buff 'till Delta. You'll want to see what the new slots do first.

Too many rule changes overlapping each other, and going live at once, can cloud devs/players understanding of how the new changes are affecting the game.
Much can be figured out from theory-crafting, but ultimately you'll need see mechanics in action to figure out where you are.

/2 ISK