What about a constant respec option which costs a percentage of SP. For the sake of an example, let's say you may have a respec if you relinquish 15% of your SP. Such a system would make respec's more viable for new players than old ones. Also, having it as a constant feature, CCP wouldn't have to worry anymore about this discussion as they make addiional changes to the game.

No no no! We want a Respec just for 1.8, not consistent ones. Consistent Respecs destroys Dust since none of your choices give meaning! All that is needed is this one respec so we can clear the air and refresh ourselves. I do not support consistent respecs however that can be done at will, even if for money.

Full Respec for this second to last time or until Dust has another MASSIVE (This does not mean the introduction of the Pilot suits) overhaul

NO PAID RESPECS

Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8.

Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side.

Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice.

Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want them to never give us a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets.

Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter.

What about a constant respec option which costs a percentage of SP. For the sake of an example, let's say you may have a respec if you relinquish 15% of your SP. Such a system would make respec's more viable for newer players than for older ones. Also, having it as a constant feature, CCP wouldn't have to worry anymore about this discussion as they make addiional changes to the game.

Ya know what? That's a pretty decent point. A respec once they finalize the core game would appease me, though by that point I doubt I'll be gaming for the arthritis in my hands and my battles with Alzheimer's. It took them something around 10 years to get eve fairly balanced, and that's their flagship title. It seems CCP has the dust devs operating on a skeleton crew and a piggy bank for financing. The changes are too slow, too minute to inspire awe. I mean jeeesus, entire species evolve faster than this game. Darwin sits in awe. I understand the whole FotM argument, but they are forcing me to be a full time rep guy(min logi) when the versatility and survivability of the suit is why I spec'ed into it. No more assault logis? Fine, gimme back my points so I can go where I wanted to be to begin with. They really need to focus on balance because the FotM stuff is a huge turn off. Also, here's to our corps! Hope we make that thing happen! (Either ya know or ya don't) =ƒÿÄ

So you're against any respecs ever again? Cool, even better. You finally get New Eden, it's fair because we're all equally fuc*ked.

Total remake of suits reminds me of Sony actually. First gen PS3s had the option to run linux (OpenOS). I remember that many scientists were very excited about this for supercomputing cluster at the time.

Then, Sony removed this feature with a system update (Firmware). How do you think the people felt that bought hundred PS3s for their projects?

Sony got sued by several parties in the US, but they were never brought before justice.

CCP dont 'do a Sony' please.

I know exactly of what you speak. Then GEOHOT jail broke it, then Sony sued GEOHOT, then anonymous took down the PSN for a month+. Ah, 2011.... what a year....

Sony are true cunts. But they do make good products. Its kind of like Apple.

Back on topic. You didnt see the people getting scammed by Sony jumping around, thumping their chests and telling everyone to HTFU like the brainwashed gorillas on this forum.

Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8.

Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side.

Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice.

Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want them to never give us a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets.

Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter.

The 1.8 respec is not the end of the world either since we're getting some broad changes and supposedly the missing suits. The tricky part for CCP here is, if they choose to do a respec, to formulate their reasoning in way that can(read: will) not be used to justify one more, then another one rinse and repeat every other month.

CCP has to greatly improve their approach to game balance in order to make meaningful long-term decisions possible

Many of you may have seen some of my posts opposed to the proposed LOGI changes for 1.8 and I think it is easy enough to find them, so I will keep this short. I want to keep the built in armor repairer, that said the Minmatar Hacking bonus was why I got the skills for the suit in the first place. CCP thanks for figuring out, a year into the full release after telling us that No More Respecs are going to happen, what "appropriate bonuses" for LOGI are. This left everyone no choice but to skill FOTY.

From what I understand, the changes are slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment. That sounds like all areas. Give us our SP back for all things Suit, Weapon, and Upgrade related. You have decided to change everything so it is time for a choice to be available. While you are at it you can also give us all the isk we have spent on assets back to cover our losses due to dev choices which have made this patch such a fail in terms of timeliness, game preservation, balance and KISS principle (Keep Itthe Same Stupid).

CCP, don't be this Guy. Give a full respec.

I could do so much with 30.6 million SP. If Logi are going to be nerfed so hard that we have not only stand right next to a heavy, but all of our other equipment is nerfed, I want to go heavy and scout.

Also, bring back the promethius.

The 1.8 respec is not the end of the world either since we're getting some broad changes and supposedly the missing suits. The tricky part for CCP here is, if they choose to do a respec, to formulate their reasoning in way that can(read: will) not be used to justify one more, then another one rinse and repeat every other month.

CCP has to greatly improve their approach to game balance in order to make meaningful long-term decisions possible

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Sony are true cunts. But they do make good products. Its kind of like Apple.

Back on topic. You didnt see the people getting scammed by Sony jumping around, thumping their chests and telling everyone to HTFU like the brainwashed gorillas on this forum.

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