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The Robot Devil wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

The Robot Devil wrote:

Just because you think they are core doesn't mean they are. All the ships in EVE weren't there from the beginning. Feeling that the core isn't here doesn't justify anything. DUST left the BETA when they released it a year ago.

Gallente / Caldari / Amarr / Minmatar

Light frames / Medium Frames / Heavy Frames (with basic variants of each)

These are core content. You're welcome to try to use roleplaying as a shield against this fact, but it's a fact regardless.

In your eyes but in CCP's eyes they were not core if they weren't released with the core. I can call cloaks core but that doesn't' mean they are. Don't get me wrong, I agree that they are core suits and weapons and should have been in the game but I disagree with that being a justification for refunds because any newly released item can be called a core item by us. There iare command nodes on the icon screen but not in the game, is that core? There are heavy and medium aircraft on the same screen but that does that meant hey are core? Pilot suit? Medium vehicles? My only point is that the "missing core" argument is a slippery slope. Nothing more than that.

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KurtisXLv Dream SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:24:00 - [811] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: after years of grinding sp.. being commited to the game.. donating AUR to CCP... being pubstomped every step of the way to finally get to the proto gear myself... CCP has decided to NERF me, unless their is a FULL RESPEC in 1.8 vehicles included i shall leave simple... and i shall go play, METAL GEAR SOLID 1 for the PS1 as i know komani arent suddenly going to nerf my FAMAS into the ground FULL RESPEC 1.8 IS REQUESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE. Full Respec 1.8 this is An out rage Grind to get prototype to be NERFED
Cmdr Wolfe Carbon 7 CRONOS. 90	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:24:00 - [812] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: after years of grinding sp.. being commited to the game.. donating AUR to CCP... being pubstomped every step of the way to finally get to the proto gear myself... CCP has decided to NERF me, unless their is a FULL RESPEC in 1.8 vehicles included i shall leave simple... and i shall go play, METAL GEAR SOLID 1 for the PS1 as i know komani arent suddenly going to nerf my FAMAS into the ground FULL RESPEC 1.8 IS REQUESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE. he has a point.... exellent MGS reference too :) theres defenatly going to be a full respec for 1.8.. otherwise CCP will just loose its entire playerbase... i still hate you though sivlerback :/ that bloody dropship!
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines 486	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:38:00 - [813] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: after years of grinding sp.. being commited to the game.. donating AUR to CCP... being pubstomped every step of the way to finally get to the proto gear myself... CCP has decided to NERF me, unless their is a FULL RESPEC in 1.8 vehicles included i shall leave simple... and i shall go play, METAL GEAR SOLID 1 for the PS1 as i know komani arent suddenly going to nerf my FAMAS into the ground FULL RESPEC 1.8 IS REQUESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE. SOCOM + suppressor for the Win you Fool ! (Okay i admit Fa-Mas was cool with these 3 last shiny shots ^^)
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1837	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:45:00 - [814] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: SOCOM + suppressor I can beat every MG with that weapon unless the boss requires a different one. I can also do it with a tranq gun on any difficulty level except European Extreme, with out killing anyone-even bosses. MG is the one game that I can say that I am truly really good at. I love those games. I haven't played Revengence yet but it isn't a traditional MG. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2820	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:47:00 - [815] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: SILVERBACK 02 wrote: METAL GEAR SOLID 1 Probably the best game ever made and if not then it has the best boss battles of any game. MGS1 still my fave Intelligence is OP
Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:16:00 - [816] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: SOCOM + suppressor I can beat every MG with that weapon unless the boss requires a different one. I can also do it with a tranq gun on any difficulty level except European Extreme, with out killing anyone-even bosses. MG is the one game that I can say that I am truly really good at. I love those games. I haven't played Revengence yet but it isn't a traditional MG. Finally picked up revengeance, and i gotta say i love taking those ibtches apart and snatchin the life out of them. but i gotta disagree with everyone here. Mgs3 snake eater ftw. that battle with the end is the best boss fight i ever had.
SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 488	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:22:00 - [817] - Quote the METAL GEAR fanchise is a true example of a game being only as good as its story... it really is the best game ever made. its the freaking alfa romeo of games lol level 0 forum warrior weapon of choice: MARK V PYTHON. -STB sky marshall
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 839	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:14:00 - [818] - Quote Given we've narrowed the 1.8 release window down to the 18th or 25th, shouldn't CCP be announcing their decision about the infantry respec round about now? The vehicle respec was announced on 20 Nov, three weeks before 1.7 release on 10 Dec.
Rami Hamilo Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 44	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:10:00 - [819] - Quote bamboo x wrote: I'm worried that although most of 1.8 has been revealed to us... there is little to no mention of a respec. But the vast majority of players will be disappointed if there isn't. They are going to lose the rest of their players if they don't offer at least a partial resepc.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 639	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:15:00 - [820] - Quote Suppose I can chime in. I am in a full agreement with a respec. Even if a partial one. The reasoning behind my support is because there has been entire role changes result in wasted SP, especially for those that have limited SP. This extends as far as weapons, but I can see not giving a respec on weapons as those are least effected by the changes. (although weapons are still effected since they are role bonused in commando tree) For example, if I was full board wanting to becoming a Minmitar Logi because of the hacking bonus, I wouldn't likely have skill points for minmitar scout nor repair tools, both of which are changing in 1.8. Minmitar scouts likely have little to no SP in hacking skills and it will greatly improve their utility in 1.8. Above is only one scenario in a sea of changes. At minimum there should be a dropsuit command respec, but I fully support a dropsuit upgrades respec as well. I would prefer a full infantry respec (weapons, upgrades, command) as I feel thats the best case scenario. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1536	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:48:00 - [821] - Quote People try to tell me FOTM won't be a big deal if there is a respec while simultaneously scream about how their thing is nerfed and that other thing is buffed, and that's why they need a respec. So where is it you plan to move your SP if they give you a respec? From the nerfed thing to the buffed thing? I'm sure no one else will have the same idea. They're nerfing my AR further into the ground, it's my most skilled into weapon, I'm still not asking for a respec. I will fight ever harder to bring it back to balance, instead of running from it to the newest OP thing. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12025	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:12:00 - [822] - Quote I am going to laugh my way to the bank if there's no respec HMG Sentinel is the new Flavor of the Game lmfao. Forge gun is already the only AV worth wielding, and with the damage mod and grenade nerfs, it will be the only option aside from Jihad LAV or a rail tank against any remotely competent tank driver. HAHAHAHHA, classic, classic DUST, 100% Good show, good show indeed ::hugs his crystal ball:: Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 265	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:46:00 - [823] - Quote I think that perhaps you should consider a respect in 2.0. That gives enough changes with 1.6 to 2.0 for you to make and warrant a respec. You might consider also respecs for 3.0, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0, ect Not necessarily saying EVERY point O gets a respec, but when you add tons of new features in the coming years, take away, rebalance, add back, new weapons, new dropsuits, ect Its unfair to force people to not have total control over their skill points they grind to earn with protostompers being cheap and using every dirty trick in the book to screw them over. Its just not fair and its not becoming of a game intended to last alongside its big brother EVE Online. I'll make you a deal...if you give us a respect 2.0 or better, I'll design a custom flyer in photoshop, pay $60-70 and have it printed about 1,000 times and pass it out at high schools and colleges where I live to recruit new players for EVE/Dust. p.s. please fix the tanks with triple hardeners and being able to go so fast they jump hills like dirt bikes.
Eris Ernaga State Patriots 930	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:47:00 - [824] - Quote Give me a respec so I can get every Caldari suit and weapons to Proto thank you that is all. *Closed Beta Vet* An ol' State Patriot Gone until the game gets better Estimated Wait: *ErrorWaitTimeToLong*
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 133	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:50:00 - [825] - Quote I am most interested in the decision at the end of all this. No respecs, and people will be so ticked off. CCP please just tell everyone this is a rare respecs, and that this will not be done again in the near future( at least another 8 to 10 months). IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1514	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:52:00 - [826] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I am going to laugh my way to the bank if there's no respec HMG Sentinel is the new Flavor of the Game lmfao. Forge gun is already the only AV worth wielding, and with the damage mod and grenade nerfs, it will be the only option aside from Jihad LAV or a rail tank against any remotely competent tank driver. HAHAHAHHA, classic, classic DUST, 100% Good show, good show indeed ::hugs his crystal ball:: At least the gal scout will be great to brick tank, better at assaulting than logis and assault. Drop it like its hat.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12035	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:58:00 - [827] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I am going to laugh my way to the bank if there's no respec HMG Sentinel is the new Flavor of the Game lmfao. Forge gun is already the only AV worth wielding, and with the damage mod and grenade nerfs, it will be the only option aside from Jihad LAV or a rail tank against any remotely competent tank driver. HAHAHAHHA, classic, classic DUST, 100% Good show, good show indeed ::hugs his crystal ball:: At least the gal scout will be great to brick tank, better at assaulting than logis and assault. I don't plan on fitting any tank at all, assuming the respec. Stealth speed and passive scanning for me. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1842	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:13:00 - [828] - Quote Western Ways wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: SOCOM + suppressor I can beat every MG with that weapon unless the boss requires a different one. I can also do it with a tranq gun on any difficulty level except European Extreme, with out killing anyone-even bosses. MG is the one game that I can say that I am truly really good at. I love those games. I haven't played Revengence yet but it isn't a traditional MG. Finally picked up revengeance, and i gotta say i love taking those ibtches apart and snatchin the life out of them. but i gotta disagree with everyone here. Mgs3 snake eater ftw. that battle with the end is the best boss fight i ever had. Fighting in that field is bad ass. For a long time I said all MG needed was a shotgun and a knife and we got them in 3. That game is really good. I beat The End with a shotgun, took me while but I did and I also put him to sleep and took his tags, like all the others. I agree that the game is good but the Psycho Mantis battle is the most unique fight I have ever played and it totally hooked me. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN Valor Coalition 11	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:50:00 - [829] - Quote I should do my own respec i hate you for making our assault dropships get killed by a wimp in the redline whos to scared to get killed by me or a team member and risk as much as we are in this pathetic game. Quote: if you have all the money in the world you can have things get done!
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 33	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:01:00 - [830] - Quote DROPSHIP CAPTAIN wrote: I should do my own respec i hate you This sounds like a child yelling at their parent to me lol. Let me know how your own respec goes. Also... Quote: Don't use it if you aren't willing to lose it.

Vesago Ghostcore Ghost Core Financial Underwriters Holding Quorum 106	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:28:00 - [831] - Quote Instead of offering/begging for respec's every time something changes, how about selling respec's for Aurum. Then the discussion about respec's ends. Heck, CCP could sell Respec's for real money, then let players trade them in the upcoming open market... heh heh. That's right Respec... Dust 514's PLEX.
Fluke 179 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:34:00 - [832] - Quote With the release of the 1.8 dev blog (Expanding The Arsenal With Uprising 1.8) along with the new Dropsuits & stats I expect a full respec of the following, Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades & Weaponry Skill trees.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1544	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:08:00 - [833] - Quote SS different page..... Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
White-Lion SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:34:00 - [834] - Quote I think a respec for dropsuits branch is needed at least. This means that the only thing would change are peoples roles, and they would have to adjust their suits to the guns they have. Pilot of Sver True Bloods See you in the sky
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 485	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:36:00 - [835] - Quote Ok, let's really look at this game. We first need to define what we need to have for this game to be considered complete, and what is considered an expansion. We got our first respecs because they released things that should have been released when the game came out of beta. Complete game needs: -All racial dropsuits 1. Light 2. Medium 3. Heavy -All racial weapons 1. Assault rifles 2. Sniper rifles 3. AV weapons 4. Smg 5. Pistol 4. Melee - all racial vehicles 1. Lav 2. Mav 3. Hav - core modules/skills Anything else should be considered expansions and require no respec. Like the commando suit. It isn't required to complete the core of the game, simply something new to be added on. The cloaks can be debated. Because they are new equipment, it would be considered an expansion. But, because they are changing the core skills of scouts to using this equipment, the cloaks are required to complete the core of the game and a respec should be given. As embarrassingly as it may be, it's time to put pride aside and simply call uprising (1.0-1.9) phase two open beta. There's nothing wrong with that. Then no one can argue against major changes to anything as they are not finalized and it will give CCP (whose also had many changes) a second chance for a better and more proper release with 2.0. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1853	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:46:00 - [836] - Quote Just because you think they are core doesn't mean they are. All the ships in EVE weren't there from the beginning. Feeling that the core isn't here doesn't justify anything. DUST left the BETA when they released it a year ago. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12046	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:06:00 - [837] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Just because you think they are core doesn't mean they are. All the ships in EVE weren't there from the beginning. Feeling that the core isn't here doesn't justify anything. DUST left the BETA when they released it a year ago. Gallente / Caldari / Amarr / Minmatar Light frames / Medium Frames / Heavy Frames (with basic variants of each) These are core content. You're welcome to try to use roleplaying as a shield against this fact, but it's a fact regardless. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1855	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:13:00 - [838] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Just because you think they are core doesn't mean they are. All the ships in EVE weren't there from the beginning. Feeling that the core isn't here doesn't justify anything. DUST left the BETA when they released it a year ago. Gallente / Caldari / Amarr / Minmatar Light frames / Medium Frames / Heavy Frames (with basic variants of each) These are core content. You're welcome to try to use roleplaying as a shield against this fact, but it's a fact regardless. In your eyes but in CCP's eyes they were not core if they weren't released with the core. I can call cloaks core but that doesn't' mean they are. Don't get me wrong, I agree that they are core suits and weapons and should have been in the game but I disagree with that being a justification for refunds because any newly released item can be called a core item by us. There iare command nodes on the icon screen but not in the game, is that core? There are heavy and medium aircraft on the same screen but that does that meant hey are core? Pilot suit? Medium vehicles? My only point is that the "missing core" argument is a slippery slope. Nothing more than that. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1855	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:14:00 - [839] - Quote I am not trolling, I am simply debating the validity of those types of arguments. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12048	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:29:00 - [840] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Just because you think they are core doesn't mean they are. All the ships in EVE weren't there from the beginning. Feeling that the core isn't here doesn't justify anything. DUST left the BETA when they released it a year ago. Gallente / Caldari / Amarr / Minmatar Light frames / Medium Frames / Heavy Frames (with basic variants of each) These are core content. You're welcome to try to use roleplaying as a shield against this fact, but it's a fact regardless. In your eyes but in CCP's eyes they were not core if they weren't released with the core. I can call cloaks core but that doesn't' mean they are. Don't get me wrong, I agree that they are core suits and weapons and should have been in the game but I disagree with that being a justification for refunds because any newly released item can be called a core item by us. There iare command nodes on the icon screen but not in the game, is that core? There are heavy and medium aircraft on the same screen but that does that meant hey are core? Pilot suit? Medium vehicles? My only point is that the "missing core" argument is a slippery slope. Nothing more than that. You're welcome to make that argument, just like we're welcome to make the argument that CCP screwed the pooch by having to scrap their whole initial engine, and we had to deal with their **** up by not having proper racial parity upon release. If CCP didn't want this game to follow in EVEs footsteps, they should not have put it in the same universe while simultaneously touting that "connection" as a primary draw for the game. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot



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