Or what about do not be ingorant to COMMUNITY needs and help to make a better game without any silly pushes to something what PLAYERS dont want.

I think people need to stop worrying about what other people are rolling and just enjoy the ufckin game, and if you notice that somethings OP just call it out like you already do and let CCP do their thing.

I've never been one to chase the flavor of the month, but i actually think it's good in it's own way because it shows the developers whats broke. The problem with that is when they get overzealous and bend people over with a giant purple nerf dildo, but that's a separate issue.

Will a respec spark a new wave of FOTM bullisht? Maybe, but it will also let CCP see what if anything is broken in 1.8, and allow them to get the jump on all the data they need to refine the game for the patch after that. And the faster they hammer out all the broken isht in the game the more likely we are to see new content in the near future, and that i think is a good thing.

First off, i'll just link this piece from several months ago. The first paragraph deals with the "decisions => consequences" jadda and argues that it, while any individual might or might not agree, in itself has a certain justification to exist.

The rest is about how the persistent SP system makes the way both new and old players approach their skill trees in the face of meta changes (such as new content and rebalancing) more interesting by adding a layer of meta-gaming to their decsion making.


Next up replayability: In every progression system that is not a WoW clone, half the accomplishment of an endgame viable/competitive build is getting there. I'd argue that the long, often tedious and error prone process of making a powerful, efficient fit is something many players enjoy and there is literally no other product in the market that provides both a classic FPS experience and a deep, harsh yet rewarding progression system to really sink their teeth in and theorycraft around.

Respeccing at will reduces this process to the press of a button, possibly coupled with a financial transaction. Kittened up yo fit? Doesn't even matter, click here to try again! You made the perfect fit? So did everybody else who bothered to look at the current PC paradigms and had some spare change (if a paid "service").

For some players punishing faulty skill choices is depressing and balance changes that wreck your fit are discouraging and unfair. For others, making the right decisions and adapting to changes out of their control are part of the game, if not even central to it.

One group of players finds a suitable product in almost every modern FPS, especially some of the better F2P ones for PC offer great customization with simple and fair ways to deal with changes.

The other has Dust aaand...nothing else really.

The last thing, albeit a bit of a stretch is a big concern of mine: Future Economy.

The dust economy will most likely end up being similarly complex and engaging as the EVE one in order for them to merge at some point. That means a huge swath of skills with multipliers ranging from 1 to 16, materials, facilities and all that jazz at least on the EVE side of things but probably on both sides.

What does an industrialist do if his best running product, e.g. the PRO RR, gets nerfed and people start to switch to the CR? Without respecs, people will mostly be stuck with their RR at first because the CR needs a minni suit to really kick off and an immediate jump is only feasible for those with enough foresight or luck to either have all needed skills already or enough SP saved up to do the transition. The trader would have an opportunity timeframe to adapt ASAP and be the first to produce the CR en masse for huge margins.

With respecs? The trader loses the majority of his sales after the patchnotes go live, but before the actual patch gets released. The only way get adapt is to quickly respec all relevant industry skills or be out of busines (so to speak) and the whole process can be over within a few days. The eve side cannot respec. How many capsuleers will spend months of training and possibly trillions of isk to engage in a market so volatile? Keep in mind that they can not possibly prepare for this stuff by just saving SP because their system doesn't allow for this.


I know that all these points are more or less affected by:

• Bad balance
• Lack of content
• Lack of game modes (PVE)
• Unfun mechanics

The important part is that balance can only be improved by better balancing -content/modes by adding more of it and PC won't be less of a nigh pointless isk faucet if people can respec.

Respecs are a simple and seemingly intuitive way to refresh the game by trying all the stuff out until the actual game gets fun or to make it less punishing for new players until we get them a venue to actually learn the game.

But looking at the last respecs we had, none of these issues have gotten any more bearable beyond the first week or so. Respecs, to me seem like a dangerous excuse for CCP to let all these unadressed for longer than necessary because, hey, they're adding respecs... I'd rather they fix the game, honestly.

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@ CCP let us be able to Respec when we want like a option under character development tab: consequence for respc- you dont get your isk back from skill books

1. Give me a respec (So I wont have to suffer the disgrace of miltia milk drinkers)
2. Get rid of militia vehicles
3. Raise the prise of tanks to deter anyone from half a**ing tanking

P.s. all militia gear should just be removed they kind of devoid standard gear and if someone wants to try out something then i guess they'll have to buy the aurum version. Its a win/win

1. Vehicles already got a respec, they don't deserve another one for 1.8. Perhaps the next update, but not 1.8.
2. This is a terrible idea. Get over yourself. You're not that special.
3. Fine. Not that it will fix anything. People in this game are rolling in dough.

P.S. removing all militia gear is also a terrible idea. Otherwise if someone wants to try something new, they have to spend SP to get into it. And let's not forget, then players new to the game would be forced to skill into weapons before even fighting, since there are no more militia items for them to use. Anyway, any variants other than the basic items aren't available as militia gear. Ex: if you want the breach AR or submachine gun, you have to skill into it. The militia system is fine as is.

No respec no party

Actually, removing MLT gear is EXACTLY what DUST needs, period.

What we also need is a training room, where you can equip and operate all standard gear in the game without putting SP into it.

BAM, the only excuse for this MLT garbage goes out the window, and we can finally start pushing towards a state of balance.

I find that perfectly acceptable.

Perhaps make the "training room" a linear combat situation that puts you in various situations that let you practice using the weapon. Because virtual shooting ranges in video games are silly IMHO.

Make it so, CCP.

Honestly this game is being held back a LOT by not having PvE content.

PvE content would allow for awesome tutorials, the above training room, and it would just make the game feel big. It's just kind of sad how little we've actually moved in the past 2 years. I'm not trying to say there haven't been improvements or even forward momentum, but when you break it down to what you actually do game in and game out, very little has changed in the past 2 years, aside from losing cool game modes.

Just here to say as a humble member of the community I am against respecs, but FOR a respec in 1.8 and anytime our invested choices are dramatically altered.

I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk.

@ CCP let us be able to Respec when we want like a option under character development tab: consequence for respc- you dont get your isk back from skill books

i mean you kinda read into "dramatically altered" a little incorrectly. I would agree unless they absolutely transform ****...

not like hacking going from a 5% bonus to a 3% per level.

or scanner being rebalanced

or weapons being tweaked

just when **** is completely transformed.

i mean you kinda read into "dramatically altered" a little incorrectly. I would agree unless they absolutely transform ****...

not like hacking going from a 5% bonus to a 3% per level.

or scanner being rebalanced

or weapons being tweaked

just when **** is completely transformed.

I say the vehicle one counts as a complete transformation. 1.8 appears to be a large amount of different non respec worthy things at once. If they had a respec I wouldn't have a problem if it was the last one, but 1.8 just doesn't change enough for me to believe that it would be.

New content doesn't warrant a respec.
Weapon and module tweaking doesn't either.
The only argument can be made for suit bonuses, but that affects everyone. The Caldari medium suit changes weren't enough to warrant a respec, nor were the Amarr medium buffs. The prime example of why people say there should be one is the Minmatar Logi bonus change. They're losing a built in complex repper and codebreaker for a fitting cost reduction and a rep tool bonus. This means to compensate they have to use two lows, but the fitting cost is offset by the equipment bonus, assuming it's an equipment logi and not a slayer logi. It still doesn't change the fact it has 4 highs 4 lows 4 equipment a high base logi speed and inherent lower HP. It's not completely transformed.

Like I said though, if they gave a respec I'd be fine being able to move around about 3 mil SP, but I don't want the community to make the assumption that respecs should be a regular game mechanic.

I used to have that stance, but that would mean a respec every 6 months to year, and it's not really anti respec anymore. No exception unless they alter the tree itself. We all take the same risk.

Every suit bonus in Dust is being changed....

Every suit bonus in Dust is being changed....