If the decloak/fire delay worked, this may be a moot point ... a Scout will have to be fully visible well in advance of attack.

Update: Decloak/fire delay definitely worked. Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts.

not for the scout i just saw. he fired for a full second before uncloaking. all i saw was muzzle flash and damage indicators. insane.

The current delay is almost not noticeable. Bumping it to 1.0 seconds, but also re-introducing the de-cloak animation, that makes the decloak happen over time. These should offset with a slight nerf to cloaks.
Cloak delay 1. secnerf
Cloak animation 1 secbuff

So it takes as long to decloak as becoming visible. Not sure if that is really changing much.

On Decloak / Fire Delay

To be fair, I'm still adapting but implementation this time feels clunky.

* Twice now I've drawn my weapon while timing a strike only to discover two seconds later (and far too late) that I hadn't actually drawn my weapon. Perhaps I pressed buttons in too quick a succession. No telling. But its already happened twice.

* Another time, I jumped over a railing and immediately deactivated cloak in hopes of stabbing a guy one level below me. I hit the ground still cloaked, fumbled about helpless and died before my weapon was available. Apparently, I hadn't pressed the decloak button I thought I had pressed.

* Most annoyingly, I used to be able to quickly double tap "draw weapon" while cloaked such that my secondary would be in hand once decloak animation completed. This fluid, oft-used and arguably necessary technique is no longer available. Or perhaps the timing has changed by such degree that I'm missing the window. Either way, clunky.

Input Device: DS3
Control Scheme: Default
Sensitivity: 100/100/100/70

(thanks, Cross)

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Today's decloak-fire delay extension seems to have overwritten the previous instant-visibility-on-decloak fix. I can fire about 0.5 to 0.75 seconds before I become fully visible. Or so it appears on my screen.

Please keep me apprised of this type of control behavior.

I've only used the cloak a little bit since the change but via my 3DS I have yet to experience the issue you describe (again however my use so far has been minimal so that is far from conclusive).

What input device are you using and which control scheme? (Just in case there is an issue and said issue is linked to a sub-set of the control interface).

Cheers,
Cross

No more mid-air charging of Nova Knives?
That makes me sad, although that's probably a lack of getting the timing down... But also significant Nerf to NKs in the sidearm weapon slot

Are all these cloak nerfs even necessary? I was fine with nerfing it so it didn't damp as much, I was fine with nerfing it so that you decloaked instantly, but the fire delay seems like far too much. I just don't see what warrants all these changes. The item keeps getting nerfed but the problem isn't going away.

Are all these cloak nerfs even necessary? I was fine with nerfing it so it didn't damp as much, I was fine with nerfing it so that you decloaked instantly, but the fire delay seems like far too much. I just don't see what warrants all these changes. The item keeps getting nerfed but the problem isn't going away.

I am haven't tried it today, but I wouldn't mind an instant decloak with a single second of fire delay. It doesn't sound like that is happening though.

What needs to happen at this point I think is to buff Complex Damps a little and just get rid of the dampening on the cloak completely.

If the cloak becomes a liability for many, it is ridiculous to force us to use it in order to beat scans. I would be much more willing to run a fit without a cloak if that didn't automatically mean I was going to be scannable.

The Gal and Cal don't even need it.

Also, some of you guys can be dense, like really dense, because if you increase armor plate speed penalties you'll divide the shotgun scouts into two parties: party 1 are the guys that say, "speed penalties don't matter, HP is king" and party two, "I'll just use my Cal Scout."
Increases movement penalties on scouts are about as effective as 2 second during delay coupled with 2 second decloak animation.

Also, Shotty, i meant the way you described the inability to cycle weapons while coming out of cloak is a Nerf to Knifers because of the terrible actualization of the wheel to select your sidearm.

Most of the pc shotgunners I know do not run plates, or at most they use one reactive/ferro.

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