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CCP Rattati wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

My understand is that not only was fire from cloak delay increased, but the decloak time was also increased, which I am hearing is actually causing people to be able to fire from cloak.

What is needed is an instant decloak with a one second fire delay before being able to fire.

I am not sure why things were changed the way they were.

Thanks guys, yes we did some changes, not ninja though it's all documented on the Features and Ideas forum.

Changing the decloak animation to zero as we ended up doing before 1.9, was a hack. We always wanted to have cloaked players gradually appear with the swirling animation, as it actually is more noticieable than just "tada!".

So now with put down delay, we added the animation back. As you don't see the animation in1st person, it may seem that you are firing out of cloak but you will be appearing in 3rd person view.

Even if not 100% perfect, we didn't want to shaft the cloak, we want it to be just right and do small steps.

Today's cloak is an improvement, and the better news is that the delay works as intended and we can continue working on it, which was only possible after the code change in 1.9.

Hope that clears that up.

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Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7743	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:45:00 - [24961] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Llast 326 wrote: HaerrGÇª Truly a glorious bastard that you are I know what you are up to. Please tell me Haerr is not one of those guys. I've always considered him to be impartial. He's pretty hilarious right now. He's got some people convinced that Cal FW is winning battles lol Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5855	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:54:00 - [24962] - Quote Can someone explain to me why Kain Spero is more active now than I ever saw him while he was CPM? Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 194	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:58:00 - [24963] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Can someone explain to me why Kain Spero is more active now than I ever saw him while he was CPM? Maybe the game is more fun now than when he was CPM?
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 200	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:23:00 - [24964] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: nerfing niche to make a more "equal distribution" is 100% bullshit. It's just going to take the hmg back to 1.7 when my Gal logi, or Cal assault, could use a rail rifle (AR or CR now) and win in a head on 1v1 from within 15m There's also the very real possibility that the HMG Heavy is simply and truly too good right now. There's a wide gap between "too good" and "useless" ... in my opinion, there's ample room to tune the weapon and/or mechnics without reducing the HMG to 1.7 garbage. Cass Caul wrote: Also, some of you guys can be dense, like really dense, because if you increase armor plate speed penalties you'll divide the shotgun scouts into two parties: party 1 are the guys that say, "speed penalties don't matter, HP is king" and party two, "I'll just use my Cal Scout." Increases movement penalties on scouts are about as effective as 2 second during delay coupled with 2 second decloak animation. I agree with you on this one. Slamming armor-based HP builds (GA) will more likely than not shift Assault Lite toward shield-based HP builds (CA). Anticipating the shift, Rattati might put penalty on both shields (profile penalty) and armor (movement penalty). The end result will be MN Scout who can't compete because he can't beat scans. Not sure what to recommend.
Haerr Dead Man's Game RUST415 1893	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:25:00 - [24965] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: HaerrGÇª Truly a glorious bastard that you are Well played Well played How do they not spot thisGÇª I mean I can't even check FW Standings and I know what you are up to. whistles innocently
Haerr Dead Man's Game RUST415 1893	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:28:00 - [24966] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Llast 326 wrote: HaerrGÇª Truly a glorious bastard that you are I know what you are up to. Please tell me Haerr is not one of those guys. I've always considered him to be impartial. He's pretty hilarious right now. He's got some people convinced that Cal FW is winning battles lol To be fair the Caldari have won quite a few tonight! We keep getting into really close matches, really, really enjoying this! All that the Caldari really need to do is to believe, no know, that they are going to win and then go all in doing it.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5384	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:33:00 - [24967] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: The end result will be MN Scout who can't compete because he can't beat scans. So not sure what to recommend. LAV JackingGÇª that's all I'll be left with Fit to Jack vehiclesGÇª Runs up hacks LAVGÇª drives offGÇª jumps out hacks HAVGÇª gaaaaahhh Cloak up and Hacks ADS as it Deploys Somebody tries to stop me Knife em MOAR Ladders
Jebus McKing lol Proto 945	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:38:00 - [24968] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Can someone explain to me why Kain Spero is more active now than I ever saw him while he was CPM? Maybe the game is more fun now than when he was CPM? Played an FW match against him earlier tonight. I shot him in the head with my breach ScP. He left match shortly afterwards. Not sure if he had fun. Assault / Logi / Scout / Sentinel // @JebusMcKing
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5857	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:44:00 - [24969] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: My understand is that not only was fire from cloak delay increased, but the decloak time was also increased, which I am hearing is actually causing people to be able to fire from cloak. What is needed is an instant decloak with a one second fire delay before being able to fire. I am not sure why things were changed the way they were. Thanks guys, yes we did some changes, not ninja though it's all documented on the Features and Ideas forum. Changing the decloak animation to zero as we ended up doing before 1.9, was a hack. We always wanted to have cloaked players gradually appear with the swirling animation, as it actually is more noticieable than just "tada!". So now with put down delay, we added the animation back. As you don't see the animation in1st person, it may seem that you are firing out of cloak but you will be appearing in 3rd person view. Even if not 100% perfect, we didn't want to shaft the cloak, we want it to be just right and do small steps. Today's cloak is an improvement, and the better news is that the delay works as intended and we can continue working on it, which was only possible after the code change in 1.9. Hope that clears that up. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
hfderrtgvcd 1158	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:53:00 - [24970] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: My understand is that not only was fire from cloak delay increased, but the decloak time was also increased, which I am hearing is actually causing people to be able to fire from cloak. What is needed is an instant decloak with a one second fire delay before being able to fire. I am not sure why things were changed the way they were. Thanks guys, yes we did some changes, not ninja though it's all documented on the Features and Ideas forum. Changing the decloak animation to zero as we ended up doing before 1.9, was a hack. We always wanted to have cloaked players gradually appear with the swirling animation, as it actually is more noticieable than just "tada!". So now with put down delay, we added the animation back. As you don't see the animation in1st person, it may seem that you are firing out of cloak but you will be appearing in 3rd person view. Even if not 100% perfect, we didn't want to shaft the cloak, we want it to be just right and do small steps. Today's cloak is an improvement, and the better news is that the delay works as intended and we can continue working on it, which was only possible after the code change in 1.9. Hope that clears that up. I'm asuming he didn't see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwz82yRZH0&feature=youtu.be You can't fight in here! This is the war room.

Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4478	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:57:00 - [24971] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: I'm asuming he didn't see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwz82yRZH0&feature=youtu.be It's cleared up here: Quote: As you don't see the animation in1st person, it may seem that you are firing out of cloak but you will be appearing in 3rd person view. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 200	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:04:00 - [24972] - Quote Looks like Llast / Varoth were right all along! Anyone see how firing during decloak looks yet?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5859	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:14:00 - [24973] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Looks like Llast / Varoth were right all along! Anyone see how firing during decloak looks yet? Apparently it is a matter of perspective. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4480	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:15:00 - [24974] - Quote Eh, they still have a long way to go before I start putting cloaks on my fittings for any reason other than to feel like my role bonus isn't completely wasted. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 203	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:57:00 - [24975] - Quote Spademan wrote: Eh, they still have a long way to go before I start putting cloaks on my fittings for any reason other than to feel like my role bonus isn't completely wasted. Recycling an old idea from IgniteableAura ... Step 1) Rewire cloak such that it's too cumbersome to use effectively in frontal assault (check!) Step 2) Reward hit-and-run play with a "while cloaked" perk which aids in escape or recovery While cloak is active (ideas) ... +X% armor/shield regen +X% sprint speed +X% active dampening
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4482	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:03:00 - [24976] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Spademan wrote: Eh, they still have a long way to go before I start putting cloaks on my fittings for any reason other than to feel like my role bonus isn't completely wasted. Recycling an old idea from IgniteableAura ... Step 1) Rewire cloak such that it's too cumbersome to use effectively in frontal assault (check!) Step 2) Reward hit-and-run play with a "while cloaked" perk which aids in escape or recovery While cloak is active (possibly different for each race) +X% armor +X% shield regen +X% sprint speed +X% stamina reserves +X% active dampening * Ideas for if/when we become UP. +1000% melee damage and you have a deal. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7755	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:19:00 - [24977] - Quote Cloak change has caused a 0% change in effectiveness Just decloak when you enter the city, damp and maneuver. Same as the old days. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 205	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:23:00 - [24978] - Quote Snap!
Appia Vibbia 3832	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:43:00 - [24979] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Snap! Of all the high-schoolers I've played with, Statius has been my favorite. Also, surprise surprise he also thinks if you can't see a cloak you're probably playing the wrong game. Good times, good time. I remember the first time I squaded up with him for pubs, "Dude, you sound like a stoner from Ohio." "OMG, How did you know?!" Personal Theme Song
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1179	Posted - 2014.11.14 04:08:00 - [24980] - Quote Spademan wrote: What? People use reactive plates? Reactive plates are all I use. Amarrica! killed again has ebola

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7777	Posted - 2014.11.14 04:12:00 - [24981] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Spademan wrote: What? People use reactive plates? Reactive plates are all I use. Slightly Related: So we kept getting mails from some dude by the name of Beast Gameplay who wanted to join FA. Dude said he had a 25k/d. Red flags already. Tell the corp we shouldn't bother. Checked and came up false. Denied. Kept sending mails. Religiously. Like after every game we played against him. Still no. He eventually joins someone else (I can't remember). See him in FW while q'syncing. He was running a Minmatar Scout with 300+ armor. I'm so glad we didn't bother. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Appia Vibbia 3832	Posted - 2014.11.14 04:15:00 - [24982] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Spademan wrote: What? People use reactive plates? Reactive plates are all I use. He was running a Minmatar Scout with 300+ armor. no, wait. I feel bad that someone is that dumb. Personal Theme Song
Immortal John Ripper 25600	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:40:00 - [24983] - Quote bump It's now my B-day. Time for tacos, beer, and bitches Like my post is my sig is not BIG enough appias prego
Cass Caul 1564	Posted - 2014.11.14 09:20:00 - [24984] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: i'm a jaded woman now If put this on the war room or gd, but it's a ***** to navigate on my phone On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 938	Posted - 2014.11.14 09:26:00 - [24985] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: i'm a jaded woman now If put this on the war room or gd, but it's a ***** to navigate on my phone I think you did it again Edit: Oh, figured you replied to the wrong person, whoops Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1831	Posted - 2014.11.14 11:31:00 - [24986] - Quote I'm noticing people referring to HMG being terrible in 1.7. Just gotta correct that. The HMG in 1.7 was actually good. It was 1.6 where the HMG was terrible and at it's total low point. With the constant increases in hit detection with no reduction in AR damage to compensate the heavy simply couldn't tank enough damage to be a threat combined with the HMGs incredibly short range (at the time). This was the time when I started rolling forge in CQC because it was the better close range weapon (if I ran heavy at all). It was very early 1.7 (about a week of so after launch) where the problem with the animation was pointed out and CCP did a kind of hot fix for it and buff to the HMG as a whole, drastically increasing the spread (it was a laser before) and increasing the RPS. This was a video that pointed it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPBRYgUGBbw Heavies really became a problem with 1.8 with the new suits, buff to HP and damage resistances combined with the nerfs to rifles. We'll bang, OK?
Jebus McKing lol Proto 951	Posted - 2014.11.14 11:44:00 - [24987] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Heavies really became a problem with 1.8 with the new suits, buff to HP and damage resistances combined with the nerfs to rifles. Meh. I'm using remotes on my Min Assault. Problem solved. Assault / Logi / Scout / Sentinel // @JebusMcKing
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1833	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:38:00 - [24988] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: Heavies really became a problem with 1.8 with the new suits, buff to HP and damage resistances combined with the nerfs to rifles. Meh. I'm using remotes on my Min Assault. Problem solved. Oh good to know that issue resolved itself. We'll bang, OK?
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 209	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:47:00 - [24989] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Gentlepeople I would appreciate some assistance on the following I know some of you have extensive experience with all playstyles and fits. Can you please take a look at this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=180806&find=unread Second, for reasons, I am particularly interested in Haerr's ewar spreadsheet. Can he be bothered to log into his Twitter account so I can msg him :) Done. Though I only commented on the Scouts: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2459813#post2459813
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1893	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:16:00 - [24990] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Spademan wrote: Eh, they still have a long way to go before I start putting cloaks on my fittings for any reason other than to feel like my role bonus isn't completely wasted. Recycling an old idea from IgniteableAura ... Step 1) Rewire cloak such that it's too cumbersome to use effectively in frontal assault (check!) Step 2) Reward hit-and-run play with a "while cloaked" perk which aids in escape or recovery While cloak is active (possibly different for each race) +X% armor regen +X% shield regen +X% sprint speed +X% stamina pool -X% scan profile * If we or cloak become UP. pops up head from sand AH yes, I remember that idea....Shotty or Haerr should probably pitch that to Rattai if we want it mulled over. Perhaps I should jump on this weekend I might have some free time to actually play this weekend. That way I can see how 1.9 feels, perhaps I can get lost in the new outpost like I did the first time in the GAL research facility....oh good times and those exit signs were my saving grace. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast



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