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Varoth Drac wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Gareth Verenar wrote:

They aren't, OEK.

I really don't get the hypebolization of Scout Dropsuit effectiveness as well as Cloaks.

I think it has a lot to do with how limited scouts were prior to even the stats release for 1.8.

Once people saw what kind of love scouts were getting, and cloaks, people started jumping on the bandwagon.

Then came the 1.8 FotM slayer scouts, and suddenly lots of people were getting killed by scouts when that had never been an issue before.

To some, it means that must mean there is a scout problem. They didn't bother to parse out the real issues, or were just too lazy to try.

I'm hoping time will solve the problem. I like Shotty's latest EWAR proposal, but I see more and more assaults in pubs every day.

Today I was getting utterly destroyed by a Gallente assault with a GEK. Didn't matter which suit I used, this guy just blitzed me every time. Must have been prof 4/5 and double comp damage mods.

When people start getting killed by more suits that aren't scouts the complaining should die down. I think the biggest mistake CCP made was the respect for 1.8. If everyone still had Lvl 5 Gal Logi instead of Lvl 5 Cal/Gal scout it would be a different story. We've just got to wait for people to skill into assaults and their relevant skills.

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Appia Nappia 1310	Posted - 2014.10.11 18:16:00 - [23371] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Anyone see problems with these values? * Scan Range: +3m Logi, +5m Assault, +5m Commando * Scan Profile: -5 dB Assault * Scan Precision: -5 dB Commando (equal to Assault) Reference We've already discussed these Assault/Logi values (correct me if I'm wrong). I can think of no reason not to improve the Commando as well. Thoughts? The only problem I see with these numbers is that the Calmanndo still only have 1 low slot. Needs that second one to participate in EWAR like the others So very tired
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5734	Posted - 2014.10.11 18:46:00 - [23372] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Anyone see problems with these values? * Scan Range: +3m Logi, +5m Assault, +5m Commando * Scan Profile: -5 dB Assault * Scan Precision: -5 dB Commando (equal to Assault) Reference We've already discussed these Assault/Logi values (correct me if I'm wrong). I can think of no reason not to improve the Commando as well. Thoughts? The only problem I see with these numbers is that the Calmanndo still only have 1 low slot. Needs that second one to participate in EWAR like the others So ... +1 slot for all Commandos to keep others in balance with CA? Might this create other problems in Assault v Commando balance? Idea: To deter HP creep and prevent the proposed Commando from out-assaulting assault, we could apply the same HP stacking penalties we've considering for Scouts. Thoughts? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2514	Posted - 2014.10.11 18:48:00 - [23373] - Quote Nobody respond to this thread please... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2399216#post2399216 Id like to see it die a painful death. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4805	Posted - 2014.10.11 18:54:00 - [23374] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Appia Nappia wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Anyone see problems with these values? * Scan Range: +3m Logi, +5m Assault, +5m Commando * Scan Profile: -5 dB Assault * Scan Precision: -5 dB Commando (equal to Assault) Reference We've already discussed these Assault/Logi values (correct me if I'm wrong). I can think of no reason not to improve the Commando as well. Thoughts? The only problem I see with these numbers is that the Calmanndo still only have 1 low slot. Needs that second one to participate in EWAR like the others So ... +1 slot for all Commandos to keep others in balance with CA? Might this create other problems in Assault v Commando balance? Idea: To deter HP creep and prevent the proposed Commando from out-assaulting assault, we could apply the same HP stacking penalties we've considering for Scouts. Thoughts? PS: I've never run Commando. Trusting your judgment :-) Have you reviewed Cross's thread on Commando pass? Some interesting views in that one. have not made it through the whole thing myself. KRRROOOOOOM
Appia Nappia 1312	Posted - 2014.10.11 19:05:00 - [23375] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Appia Nappia wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Anyone see problems with these values? * Scan Range: +3m Logi, +5m Assault, +5m Commando * Scan Profile: -5 dB Assault * Scan Precision: -5 dB Commando (equal to Assault) Reference We've already discussed these Assault/Logi values (correct me if I'm wrong). I can think of no reason not to improve the Commando as well. Thoughts? The only problem I see with these numbers is that the Calmanndo still only have 1 low slot. Needs that second one to participate in EWAR like the others So ... +1 slot for all Commandos to keep others in balance with CA? Might this create other problems in Assault v Commando balance? Idea: To deter HP creep and prevent the proposed Commando from out-assaulting assault, we could apply the same HP stacking penalties we've considering for Scouts. Thoughts? PS: I've never run Commando. Trusting your judgment :-) Have you reviewed Cross's thread on Commando pass? Some interesting views in that one. have not made it through the whole thing myself. Assaults are out-HP tanking Commandos. . . The Medium Frames shouldn't have more HP than Heavy Frames. Even pre-Charlie a dual tanked Scout couldn't have higher Max HP than a dual-tanked Assault of the same race. Commando can't out-assault an Assault suit, because even pre-charlie an Assault suit was a better choice. So very tired
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4072	Posted - 2014.10.11 19:13:00 - [23376] - Quote I don't think Commndos will ever be able to "Out assault" and assault, not with the speed as it is. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5735	Posted - 2014.10.11 19:23:00 - [23377] - Quote Roger that! * Scan Range: +3m Logi, +5m Assault, +5m Commando * Scan Profile: -5 dB Assault * Scan Precision: -5 dB Commando (equal to Assault) * CA Logi: +1 Low Slot, +PG/CPU * MN Logi: +1 Low Slot, +PG/CPU * GA Logi: +1 High Slot, +PG/CPU * AM Logi: +1 High Slot, +PG/CPU Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5736	Posted - 2014.10.11 19:25:00 - [23378] - Quote Roger that! * Scan Range: +3m Logi, +5m Assault, +5m Commando * Scan Profile: -5 dB Assault * Scan Precision: -5 dB Commando (equal to Assault) * CA Commando: +1 Low Slot, +PG/CPU * MN Commando: +1 Low Slot, +PG/CPU * GA Commando: +1 High Slot, +PG/CPU * AM Commando: +1 High Slot, +PG/CPU Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18090	Posted - 2014.10.11 19:35:00 - [23379] - Quote Commandos are a little lackluster atm. The forums have ruined me.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4724	Posted - 2014.10.11 20:03:00 - [23380] - Quote Haerr wrote: I am very interested in the CPM members POVs on how to go about hampering the over performance in pub matches of Scout + Cloak + Shotgun / Knives. I didn't know Knives were a problem... I have yet to hear it anyways. You can always tell a Millford Minja

Gareth Verenar Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.10.11 20:53:00 - [23381] - Quote They aren't, OEK. I really don't get the hypebolization of Scout Dropsuit effectiveness as well as Cloaks.
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 275	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:04:00 - [23382] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Nobody respond to this thread please... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2399216#post2399216 Id like to see it die a painful death. Wish I'd read this earlier and not gotten sucked into contributing to it.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5768	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:11:00 - [23383] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Nobody respond to this thread please... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2399216#post2399216 Id like to see it die a painful death. Wish I'd read this earlier and not gotten sucked into contributing to it. His methods crack me up. Fact: The sky is purple. And here's how we should change it. - No, I don't think the sky is purple, Magnus. Lies! Conspiracy! Trolls! - .... (?) No response!? I knew it. The sky must be purple. - Dude, the sky isn't purple. Its blue. Prove its not purple! Defend yourself! - Just look up, Magnus. Its blue. Its obvious. Liar! Repeating your lies doesn't make them true! - ... Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2517	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:25:00 - [23384] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Nobody respond to this thread please... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2399216#post2399216 Id like to see it die a painful death. Wish I'd read this earlier and not gotten sucked into contributing to it. His methods crack me up. Fact: The sky is purple. And here's how we should change it. - No, I don't think the sky is purple, Magnus. Lies! Conspiracy! Trolls! - .... (?) No response!? I knew it. The sky must be purple. - Dude, the sky isn't purple. Its blue. Prove its not purple! Defend yourself! - Just look up, Magnus. Its blue. Its obvious. Liar! Repeating your lies doesn't make them true! - ... Sounds about right I legitimately believe he may be trolling...I don't think there is really anyone that stupid to be serious about what he's saying. I thought he might be serious at first, but I'm calling troll now. Its just not possible to be THAT stupid "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2517	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:29:00 - [23385] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Haerr wrote: I am very interested in the CPM members POVs on how to go about hampering the over performance in pub matches of Scout + Cloak + Shotgun / Knives. I didn't know Knives were a problem... I have yet to hear it anyways. Are you kidding me? According to every easy mode Sentinel, knives are the most overpowered weapon in the game. Also, I fail to see how scouts are over performing in pubs...TBQH i find that, in pubs, my ADV minmitar sentinel out performs my PRO minmitar scout, from an ISK efficiency perspective as well as raw contribution to the team in holding down points and assaulting them. But thats also due to broken heavy strafing that I abuse. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4734	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:31:00 - [23386] - Quote Gareth Verenar wrote: They aren't, OEK. I really don't get the hypebolization of Scout Dropsuit effectiveness as well as Cloaks. I think it has a lot to do with how limited scouts were prior to even the stats release for 1.8. Once people saw what kind of love scouts were getting, and cloaks, people started jumping on the bandwagon. Then came the 1.8 FotM slayer scouts, and suddenly lots of people were getting killed by scouts when that had never been an issue before. To some, it means that must mean there is a scout problem. They didn't bother to parse out the real issues, or were just too lazy to try. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2519	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:37:00 - [23387] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Nobody respond to this thread please... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2399216#post2399216 Id like to see it die a painful death. Wish I'd read this earlier and not gotten sucked into contributing to it. His methods crack me up. Fact: The sky is purple. And here's how we should change it. - No, I don't think the sky is purple, Magnus. Lies! Conspiracy! Trolls! - .... (?) No response!? I knew it. The sky must be purple. - Dude, the sky isn't purple. Its blue. Prove its not purple! Defend yourself! - Just look up, Magnus. Its blue. Its obvious. You're biased against purple, aren't you? Prove you aren't! - ... Hmm i think it may be time for some anti-Magnus satire... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 787	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:41:00 - [23388] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Haerr wrote: I am very interested in the CPM members POVs on how to go about hampering the over performance in pub matches of Scout + Cloak + Shotgun / Knives. I didn't know Knives were a problem... I have yet to hear it anyways. Are you kidding me? According to every easy mode Sentinel, knives are the most overpowered weapon in the game. This is probably my favorite thing about using the knives. They're so good at killing heavies. Whenever I come across 3 or 4 unaware players, I always disregard everything else in order to go for the heavies because, ahem, **** heavies Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5771	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:41:00 - [23389] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I legitimately believe he may be trolling... He isn't trolling. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2519	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:45:00 - [23390] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I legitimately believe he may be trolling... He isn't trolling. IDK...it may be Knight Solaire pulling a fast one on us "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4734	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:47:00 - [23391] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I legitimately believe he may be trolling... He isn't trolling. IDK...it may be Knight Solaire pulling a fast one on us You can kind of tell when it is him. This dude is taking his fool idea too seriously for it to be a troll. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2519	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:51:00 - [23392] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I legitimately believe he may be trolling... He isn't trolling. IDK...it may be Knight Solaire pulling a fast one on us You can kind of tell when it is him. This dude is taking his fool idea too seriously for it to be a troll. But seriously... "No scout should be able to dodge scans unless they sacrifice all 4 low slots and wear a proto cloak. If you don't have four low slots than you are specialized for something else and shouldn't be able to dodge scans. But, even then, I think you should be perma scanned if someone invested 700k SP into prototype active scanners." Tell me that thats not a troll. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
mollerz 5517	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:55:00 - [23393] - Quote Can can Breakin stuff take his dippy RNG boolshite back to Destiny? I'm seriously fukn serious
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 276	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:55:00 - [23394] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Gareth Verenar wrote: They aren't, OEK. I really don't get the hypebolization of Scout Dropsuit effectiveness as well as Cloaks. I think it has a lot to do with how limited scouts were prior to even the stats release for 1.8. Once people saw what kind of love scouts were getting, and cloaks, people started jumping on the bandwagon. Then came the 1.8 FotM slayer scouts, and suddenly lots of people were getting killed by scouts when that had never been an issue before. To some, it means that must mean there is a scout problem. They didn't bother to parse out the real issues, or were just too lazy to try. I'm hoping time will solve the problem. I like Shotty's latest EWAR proposal, but I see more and more assaults in pubs every day. Today I was getting utterly destroyed by a Gallente assault with a GEK. Didn't matter which suit I used, this guy just blitzed me every time. Must have been prof 4/5 and double comp damage mods. When people start getting killed by more suits that aren't scouts the complaining should die down. I think the biggest mistake CCP made was the respect for 1.8. If everyone still had Lvl 5 Gal Logi instead of Lvl 5 Cal/Gal scout it would be a different story. We've just got to wait for people to skill into assaults and their relevant skills.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4735	Posted - 2014.10.11 21:58:00 - [23395] - Quote Gav, I hate to break it to you, but there really are people that stupid. You can always tell a Millford Minja
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4735	Posted - 2014.10.11 22:01:00 - [23396] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Gareth Verenar wrote: They aren't, OEK. I really don't get the hypebolization of Scout Dropsuit effectiveness as well as Cloaks. I think it has a lot to do with how limited scouts were prior to even the stats release for 1.8. Once people saw what kind of love scouts were getting, and cloaks, people started jumping on the bandwagon. Then came the 1.8 FotM slayer scouts, and suddenly lots of people were getting killed by scouts when that had never been an issue before. To some, it means that must mean there is a scout problem. They didn't bother to parse out the real issues, or were just too lazy to try. I'm hoping time will solve the problem. I like Shotty's latest EWAR proposal, but I see more and more assaults in pubs every day. Today I was getting utterly destroyed by a Gallente assault with a GEK. Didn't matter which suit I used, this guy just blitzed me every time. Must have been prof 4/5 and double comp damage mods. When people start getting killed by more suits that aren't scouts the complaining should die down. I think the biggest mistake CCP made was the respect for 1.8. If everyone still had Lvl 5 Gal Logi instead of Lvl 5 Cal/Gal scout it would be a different story. We've just got to wait for people to skill into assaults and their relevant skills. Yeah, that respec right when scouts were FotM were just made the situation that much worse. I think there are a couple of small problems with scouts, but overall they definitely aren't the issue everyone thinks they are. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17206	Posted - 2014.10.11 22:34:00 - [23397] - Quote Spademan wrote: Random thought: What if hp mods had stacking penalties? If you remember from the HAV nerf attempt to reppers this is not feasible to do without the module being % based. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Haerr Clone Manque 1638	Posted - 2014.10.11 22:38:00 - [23398] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Haerr wrote: I am very interested in the CPM members POVs on how to go about hampering the over performance in pub matches of Scout + Cloak + Shotgun / Knives. I didn't know Knives were a problem... I have yet to hear it anyways. Are you kidding me? According to every easy mode Sentinel, knives are the most overpowered weapon in the game. ^_^ You're biased against purple, aren't you? Prove you aren't!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17207	Posted - 2014.10.11 22:38:00 - [23399] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The breach shotgun is in need of some love, I feel. The worst weapon in the game, surely not? What actually is the worst weapon in the game, statistically? I suspect the breach shotgun is a contender. If we count grenades I imagine the grand prize would go to sleek locus grenades. I think sleek grenades and Assault Swarms are heavy weights in this category. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Appia Nappia 1319	Posted - 2014.10.11 22:38:00 - [23400] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Gav, I hate to break it to you, but there really are people that stupid. Are you trying to say that minmatar scouts don't need to have 3 or more skill bonuses compared to other scouts' 2 So very tired



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