NOW do you see why we're bitching so much about the ammo reduction on the Charge SR?

I don't even care about the clip all that much, but ffs give me some bloody bullets to waste going for all these bloody headshots I'm going to be stuck with trying for.

fkrs.

No. My views have been the same since December. The cloak shouldn't be involved in dampening. Gal w/ 1 PRO + 1 STD Damp should beat Focused. Min/Amarr/Cal w/ 2 PRO Damps should beat Focused.

I have no clue what "oomph" could be from your point of view. Only: full invisibility + 80 seconds + long (2.5 seconds) decloak time are the only things I'd like to see it become.

As long as it's partial visibility when active it should be functioning the same way it does now. Short Duration, short decloak.

The dampening effecti isn't a good thing. It makes the cloak a necessity if you want to play the stealth game.

Iggy might be strongly of mind that every scout ever should always have to use proto cloaks, but I despise the notion.

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Addendum #1

Do you know the current state of stacking penalties on negative modules. They fixed positive modules being aplied top-down based on slot configuartion but last I checked it was still applying the largest stacking penalty to the highest number. e.g. 1 complex damp and 1 std damp is not 25% + 15% --> 25% + 13.04% but instead 15% + 21.73%

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Addendum #2

I would accept the change if damp values were 25% for STD, 50% for ADV and 75% for PRO; keeping in mind that partial visibility has fast decloak and full invisibility has long decloak.

SoTa's trash-talk about scouts is pretty accurate:
A good player is one that doesn't rely on the radar. A good player won't allow a scout to engage them.
A mediocre player is one that doesn't need the radar because they can tank their way out of a situation.
A great player is one that doesn't rely on the radar but has enough tank to make it out of a bad situation.

Scanning is ******* stupid. IMO everything should be able to be completely tacnet invisible, sentinels excluded. TacNet is a crutch for terrible players that don't have situational awareness.

A logistics suit should reach an amarr scout's precision with one CPE.
An assault suit should reach a gallente/caldari scout's profile with one CPD

Srsly?

If I want to be like Appia and cross into the domain of Assault, I have to commit every available slot to HP.
But a Logi can become Scout Hunter extraordinaire at the cost of one slot?

EWAR should be the Scout's domain. If others want to play on our level, they'll need to fully commit that path. Otherwise, 300HP EWAR Scouts will be replaced by 1000HP quasi-Scouts.

I was going to say two modules but that seems excessive. An assault shouldn't require 4 CPD and a cloak to be undetected, nor should a logi require 4 CPE to scan at a decent level.
Maybe if they reach base precision or profile of a scout?

I don't think it too much to require 3 of a Logi's 8-9 slots to cross into the domain of competitive EWAR. I believe that this is already the case with Scan Profile. I'll put together the math for Scan Precision ...

Ok, so On Med-Frame Damps: *shudders in delight* Math, better than sex. Which I can say now that I'm getting it more often than I want.

What about Range Amplification?

Maybe I'm just tired (I am defiantly tired, haven't slept in way too long... maybe like a day now) but this confuses me, not the stance in general but simply that I'm failing to see how it is in accord with your prior post (again maybe I'm just tired and missing it). First post I understood to mean "reaching proper damp levels w/o cloak isn't acceptable" second seems to be pretty clearly saying you don't like damp and cloak to be linked effects, so, even if this may all make sense once the insomnia breaks and I have a clearer head, just in case it doesn't snap into focus then could you tell me what I'm missing in what you said because it certainly seems like I must have missed something.

Cheers,
Cross

PS: Lightning xVx and Mr Musturd would disagree with the notion that greatness can only be achieved through Tank.

I bet you wouldn't be saying it if you were getting it less than you wanted...

@ Cross Atu

If my math is correct, Logis are currently capable of competing with Scouts in Scan Profile and Precision. In both cases, they become "scout-like" at 2 modules invested and begin to outperform Scouts at 3 modules invested.

I'm of the opinion that the toll for the Logi to cross domains should remain at 2 modules. In light the Logis slot count, I believe that reducing said toll to one module would very likely introduce imbalance.

What do you think?

@ Everyone - I'll leave this math in our EWAR table for future reference; the link is on Page 1.

If I had any power over the game I'd buff Assault Precision and Logi Range.

But there's probably a very good reason that I don't have power.

If i were we would have dynamic EWAR

What I wouldn't give for the resources to do that trying to make some viable diversity possible within what frequently amounts to a binary system is.... I'll just call it less than ideal

EDIT: How does everyone else feel about a 1-2m increase? Pretty much agree with Appia? Think I am a nutter for mentioning it? Think it's too small to be meaningful? Want me to shut up about it and go get drunk?

How does everyone else feel about a 1-2m increase? Pretty much agree with Appia? Think I am a nutter for mentioning it? Think it's too small to be meaningful? Want me to shut up about it and go get drunk?

I believe I mentioned this a few pages back, but I think scan range extenders should be buffed (possibly other EWAR mods).

Sadly I don't have time to go into details at the moment. Essentially my thinking was, that instead of limiting scout suit's ability to fit like a light assault, CCP make it easier for assault suits to do the same.

Tank modules are very effective, hence why scout suits stacking hp can become an "assault light" suit without too much difficulty. You get decent hp from modules and good regen, speed and EWAR from scout base stats. This is a very good fit for solo slaying as EWAR is very effective. Sadly if an assault wants to do the same thing by fitting EWAR and regen mods instead of tank it is more difficult as EWAR mods are poor in comparison to tank mods.

If it only took 1 range extender to give an assault a scan range approaching a scout I think that would be balanced. Nobody could complain about tanked scouts if an assault can make the same fit (same with logis).

Currently assault suits are kind of limited in fitting options as EWAR mods are ineffective for them. Buffing range extenders opens up more passive scanning fitting opportunities for medium suits and gives more reason for mediums to use dampeners, adding to variety.

I managed to make a good approximation of a tanked scout using a min assault suit, but it was let down by having to fit 2 comp range extenders to get to a scout suit's base scan range. Scanning is not really much use bellow about 25m i feel.

I'm in favor of increasing logistics scan range. Doesn't seem too abusable, but that remains to be seen I guess.

Hypothetical (min/max):

Assuming a base scan range buff from 15m to 18m, a pure EWAR GA Logi could scan ~81m at a precision of 24 dB; this represents a maximum increase of roughly 13m in range. Fit to perform same function, EWAR Scout performance is as follows:

CA Scout - 91m @ 20 dB (superior to buffed Logi)
GA Scout - 86m @ 21 dB (superior to buffed Logi)
AM Scout - 86m @ 18 dB (superior to buffed Logi)

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Personal Opinion: Zero abuse potential.

Hypothetical (min/max):

Assuming a base scan range buff from 15m to 18m, a pure EWAR GA Logi could scan ~81m at a precision of 24 dB; this represents a maximum increase of roughly 13m in range. Fit to perform same function, EWAR Scout performance is as follows:

CA Scout - 91m @ 20 dB (superior to buffed Logi)
GA Scout - 86m @ 21 dB (superior to buffed Logi)
AM Scout - 86m @ 18 dB (superior to buffed Logi)

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Personal Opinion: Zero abuse potential.