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Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.22 06:39:00 -
[18391] - Quote
You can share my dampening bonus if I can share your hack speed.
It just comes down to the issue of too many bonuses. While I don't think adding the Damps would be absurdly OP (I actually suggested it back when Rattati was here asking questions), let the proposed Charlie changes go through and then re-assess from there.
The key aspect is if anything changes in relation to shared passives. This will be far more important than any one change. Whether it will be good or bad I'm not sure.
Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others
Hit me up for Skype and PSN
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Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
320
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Posted - 2014.07.22 06:48:00 -
[18392] - Quote
Myself, I don't want a damp bonus. I just want an ADV suit to be able to beat the Warden - if I use BOTH of my lows for cDamps and fit a cloak. Which means I want the ADV Minmatar scout suit to have enough CPU and PG to fit PRO cloak, cDamps, IshNoks and BK-42 and whatever highs (within reason) without needing a PG mod (because 1 damp ain't gonna bloody well do it).
Jaceon Pale-eye.
Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG.
Unless Mal says no :(
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11172
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:14:00 -
[18393] - Quote
Brokerib wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Well guys, I'm at the point where knifing is a viable weapon rather than some toy I use for the lulz.
This is extremely fun and useful!
Killed a whole squad with my knife before they even realized what's going on :3 The Cat has found its claws?
Nah, my claws are on my melee Galmando :3
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Ha'Err
Nos Nothi
196
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:29:00 -
[18394] - Quote
Brokerib wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:A magnificent quote tree I like the idea of an efficacy bonus to the dampening part of cloak fields. I suspect that the reason to why it hasn't been discussed is because it would be included in the larger consideration of changing more suit bonuses to efficacy bonuses in Hotfix Delta.
Personally I like the idea but as I've said before I am very biased in favor dampening on scouts. To me scouts were always about avoiding detection more than anything else... weeeeell except for zic-zacking through fire back in Chromo ;-)
Besides pretty much all ideas I've just put up on the forums with out completely thinking them through and running them through a spellchecker have been ignored.
The, few, support tickets I've actually bothered sending have yet to be resolved. (Stupid sprint bugs...)
The, few, forum posts about bugs I've done have similarly not lead anywhere. (Stupid sprint bugs...)
And so I am content knowing that Shotty & Appia have very similar views on scouting and dampening as I do, plus they are a lot more likely to post useful posts, for various reasons, about them on the forum.
I still do the Scan Table because it requires very little effort to update it.
Oh and did I mention I do not care, at all, for stupid sprint bugs? 
Hey!
You!
Yeah you!
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
2409
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:57:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:I know he was a proto gal scout because the target intel said 'Neo' Commando gk.0 as I was lining up the headshot.
Sorry, what? Which was he?
To your point: Sometime I love people who put the cloaks on bigger suits. They're food for my Ion Pistol fitting.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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LeGoose
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
455
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Posted - 2014.07.22 12:27:00 -
[18396] - Quote
Spademan wrote:Right-wing Extremist wrote:I know he was a proto gal scout because the target intel said 'Neo' Commando gk.0 as I was lining up the headshot. Sorry, what? Which was he? To your point (I think this is your point): Sometimes I love people who put the cloaks on bigger suits. They're food for my Ion Pistol fitting.
I have a corp member who puts on a cloak for his Cal comando melee fit. Full rack of myos in the highs and he is falcon punching all day long for an obsurd amount of damage. Pretty hilarious to watch.
Click it! I dare you...
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3146
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Posted - 2014.07.22 13:42:00 -
[18397] - Quote
@ Gav
I like the idea, but we'll need to wait-and-see how Charlie pans out. Hoping that the NK improvements, PG tweaks and scanning changes will improve quality of life for Minja-folk. Should Minmatar remain underpowered, an efficacy bonus toward cloak's active damp would likely be reasonable and appropriate.
@ Scouts
Come Charlie, there's a chance that CalScouts will be better off shield tanking than running ewar modules. Shocker!
Is this something we can correct through efficacy bonuses in Delta? I can see a bonus to range extenders outweighing the value of shield regulators. I can't see a bonus to precision enhancers outweighing the value of shields. How do we fix?
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1882
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Posted - 2014.07.22 14:03:00 -
[18398] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:@ Gav
I like the idea, but we'll need to wait-and-see how Charlie pans out. Hoping that the NK improvements, PG tweaks and scanning changes will improve quality of life for Minja-folk. Should Minmatar remain underpowered, an efficacy bonus toward cloak's active damp would likely be reasonable and appropriate.
@ Scouts
Come Charlie, there's a chance that CalScouts will be better off shield tanking than running ewar modules. Shocker!
Is this something we can correct through efficacy bonuses in Delta? I can see a bonus to range extenders outweighing the value of shield regulators. I can't see a bonus to precision enhancers outweighing the value of shields. How do we fix?
I think it's another wait and see Shotty. Shields are likely to get a run, but I've yet to see a shield/regen combo that competes with armor tanking. If we get code breakers in high as well, then the Cal has an option there too? Not sure there's much to be done unless we get more high modules. Can't remember details from Haerr's scanning table, but I expect dual precision Cal scouts will still be a thing?
Knowledge is power
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11179
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Posted - 2014.07.22 14:17:00 -
[18399] - Quote
Brokerib wrote:
but I've yet to see a shield/regen combo that competes with armor tanking.
How so?
Caldari scout regen is pretty damn nutz, and it's not that far behind in the HP department.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3643
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Posted - 2014.07.22 14:27:00 -
[18400] - Quote
The only regen that matters is stamina regeneration. 457 shields gets shredded even by rail rifles very fast.
EDIT: the only time shield regen matters more than HP is when you are fighting outside optimal weapon ranges and that is an infrequent occurrence
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11179
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Posted - 2014.07.22 14:31:00 -
[18401] - Quote
Appia Vibbia wrote:The only regen that matters is stamina regeneration. 457 shields gets shredded even by rail rifles very fast.
EDIT: the only time shield regen matters more than HP is when you are fighting outside optimal weapon ranges and that is an infrequent occurrence
That's a matter of opinion.
I have a playstyle that greatly benefits from high regeneration.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
556
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Posted - 2014.07.22 14:38:00 -
[18402] - Quote
Appia is correct - when you are getting hit it doesnt matter how much shield regeneration you have because it aint kicking in.
Its the main reason I would have wanted some speed bonus to the Minnie so you cant actually escape long enough so if you use energizers / rechargers you can get the quick rep.
Caldari already have ranged weaponry and regen so regardless if they play at range or mix it up they are better off stacking extenders
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3644
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Posted - 2014.07.22 14:39:00 -
[18403] - Quote
And I have a playstyle where I have no EWAR mods and no HP mods and get upwards of 20 kills in a match. I highly doubt you can do well and go up against good players at the same time.
It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of numbers. For regen to be useful we still need a longer TTK.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11179
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Posted - 2014.07.22 14:40:00 -
[18404] - Quote
The magic is, if you can stop getting hit, you will be back to the fight extremely quickly.
While it isn't really useful in open terrain, in urban combat you can use it to great effect.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4344
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Posted - 2014.07.22 16:26:00 -
[18405] - Quote
Cat Merc wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:The only regen that matters is stamina regeneration. 457 shields gets shredded even by rail rifles very fast.
EDIT: the only time shield regen matters more than HP is when you are fighting outside optimal weapon ranges and that is an infrequent occurrence That's a matter of opinion. I have a playstyle that greatly benefits from high regeneration.
Armor tank or shield tank?
Shield regen is worthless without a big pool of HP to work with. If you stacked rechargers on a Cal or Min Scout the numbers may get bigger but the result is meaningless. Regening a pool of 130 HP in 1.2 seconds versus 2....super marginal.
However armor regen tanking is amazing. Stacking reppers on a galscout is better than armor IMO. It's the whole shield versus armor.
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11188
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:33:00 -
[18406] - Quote
Bojo The Mighty wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:The only regen that matters is stamina regeneration. 457 shields gets shredded even by rail rifles very fast.
EDIT: the only time shield regen matters more than HP is when you are fighting outside optimal weapon ranges and that is an infrequent occurrence That's a matter of opinion. I have a playstyle that greatly benefits from high regeneration. Armor tank or shield tank? Shield regen is worthless without a big pool of HP to work with. If you stacked rechargers on a Cal or Min Scout the numbers may get bigger but the result is meaningless. Regening a pool of 130 HP in 1.2 seconds versus 2....super marginal. However armor regen tanking is amazing. Stacking reppers on a galscout is better than armor IMO. It's the whole shield versus armor.
Both.
Armor is excellent for short term cover.
As in get into cover, regenerate 100HP for 5 seconds before the shield tanker gets to regenerate more than you, get out.
Shields are excellent if you can keep the armor tanker away for 10 seconds, then you have over 100HP over him.
So it's basically a matter of timing when you get out of cover to engage the enemy.
I am comparing a Caldari Assault with a complex energizer vs Gal Assault with 2x Complex Armor Repairers btw, with a higher base recharge like on the Caldari scout that gap is wider.
Putting on regulators reduces the window of time that an armor tanker has to attack before the shield tanker gets more HP than him.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3648
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:45:00 -
[18407] - Quote
And that's why the Gallente are Bruisers. 3 plates and a kincat to catch up so you don't get to use cover in the first place.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11189
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:54:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:And that's why the Gallente are Bruisers. 3 plates and a kincat to catch up so you don't get to use cover in the first place.
3 plates and a kincat and you get 3hp/s regeneration.
That's rather lol
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3650
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:11:00 -
[18409] - Quote
Cat Merc wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:And that's why the Gallente are Bruisers. 3 plates and a kincat to catch up so you don't get to use cover in the first place. 3 plates and a kincat and you get 3hp/s regeneration. That's rather lol
I already said, regen isn't worth it. That's why you get a LogiBro in your squad or carry a Wyirkomi or Allotek nanohive
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11189
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:39:00 -
[18410] - Quote
Appia Vibbia wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:And that's why the Gallente are Bruisers. 3 plates and a kincat to catch up so you don't get to use cover in the first place. 3 plates and a kincat and you get 3hp/s regeneration. That's rather lol I already said, regen isn't worth it. That's why you get a LogiBro in your squad or carry a Wyirkomi or Allotek nanohive
Eh, only really works after the battle / In a more defensive posture.
When you are constantly on the move attacking targets and putting pressure without any downtime (like I do), waiting for a logi to rep or sit on a nanohive just doesn't work.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3151
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:49:00 -
[18411] - Quote
Question on Knives
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1629
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:38:00 -
[18412] - Quote
Right-wing Extremist wrote:Myself, I don't want a damp bonus. I just want an ADV suit to be able to beat the Warden - if I use BOTH of my lows for cDamps and fit a cloak. Which means I want the ADV Minmatar scout suit to have enough CPU and PG to fit PRO cloak, cDamps, IshNoks and BK-42 and whatever highs (within reason) without needing a PG mod (because 1 damp ain't gonna bloody well do it).
EDIT: for clarity, I don't like any game where you have no chance whatsoever if you're not in the BEST gear. And right now, even in pubs, 2 complex damps ain't always enough to get under an ADV Warden but I can't fit a PRO cloak unless I'm in a PRO suit. Go Proto or Go Home = I'm taking my ball somewhere else this September and playing DUST as a time killer during downtimes over there.
The cloak damp bonus helps that though...thats part of the whole idea
Also, what do you guys think about making the cloak bonus a 20% bonus per level, then reducing fitting capacity on the suits?
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2883
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Posted - 2014.07.22 21:22:00 -
[18413] - Quote
I am just going to leave this here.
Just in case someone else hasn't seen Broker's excellent narrative.
This is how a minja feels
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4378
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:20:00 -
[18414] - Quote
I remember when I used to write stories like Brokerib......
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3661
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:38:00 -
[18415] - Quote
Psst. Beta is back up.
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voidfaction
Void of Faction
342
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:39:00 -
[18416] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:@ Gav
I like the idea, but we'll need to wait-and-see how Charlie pans out. Hoping that the NK improvements, PG tweaks and scanning changes will improve quality of life for Minja-folk. Should Minmatar remain underpowered, an efficacy bonus toward cloak's active damp would likely be reasonable and appropriate.
@ Scouts
Come Charlie, there's a chance that CalScouts will be better off shield tanking than running ewar modules. Shocker!
Is this something we can correct through efficacy bonuses in Delta? I can see a bonus to range extenders outweighing the value of shield regulators. I can't see a bonus to precision enhancers outweighing the value of shields. How do we fix?
it needs to be corrected by giving cal scout a bonus it can do something with in the high slots. I mean 1 low at std and adv is all they have to play with to boost 2 bonuses after charlie. yes shield tanking is the only option for cal after charlie
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2892
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:06:00 -
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In reading trying to figure out what exact time Beta will end, I found that most of what you are doing is going to be wiped out, so just keep that in mind if you are grinding for stuff.
This is how a minja feels
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mollerz
4265
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:19:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Psst. Beta is back up.
Beat me to it!
Do you want awesome change? Do you want dust to rock like never before?
Then vote Appia for CPM1
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1910
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:51:00 -
[18419] - Quote
New info on Charlie. Is looking very good. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2274319#post2274319
Knowledge is power
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1910
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:04:00 -
[18420] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:In reading trying to figure out what exact time Beta will end, I found that most of what you are doing is going to be wiped out, so just keep that in mind if you are grinding for stuff.
Apparently what ever it is you get from participating in the event on final day of the Beta will carry over, I'm pretty sure everything else goes. Would be nice to retain reputation though.
Oh and..
Appia Vibbia wrote:Psst. Beta is back up.
Horray!
Knowledge is power
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