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Appia Vibbia wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Appia made a complete fool of me the other day when I tried to deal with her vanguard style tactics. She kept an entire squad from capping the nearest base available and while nobody else seemed to be looking for her (I was) she knew how to pick an entire pack apart that isn't paying attention.

Pretty sure that was the research facility, with the point at the top of the stairs? Almost positive it was the match there while I was using my C-I Commando with TY-5, got like 21 kills with it. Twisted

Or it was the game I got 21 kills total between the TY, Assault SMG and REs.

On cloaks though. I really think the half-recharged limit was pretty bad idea. It made the basic cloak feel like basic nova knives. What should have had an advantage of having a faster recharge from complete depletion has become the worst because now you need to stay cloaked for at least 30 seconds to make the most of the limit. Making the ARN necessary.
I thought 80 seconds would be way longer than I needed, but that was before the minimum charge was announced. Now The Ishukone Cloak is the most valuable because it can be used the most often.
Any alteration in duration of the cloaks would need to have that limitation removed. That's why I don't think anything really needs to be changed at the moment. Other than extendeing the delay on cloak deactivation by a small, 0.25-0.5 seconds

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Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2587	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:29:00 - [12421] - Quote Oh, one last thing before I go to bed - I love that IWS comes here occasionally to vent his general forum-rage :D Good on ya man! Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6384	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:31:00 - [12422] - Quote icdedppul wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: icdedppul wrote: incidentally crouching while cloaked so OP +1 Disagree with the rest so I'm not giving you a like though. no, how am I going to become a forum warrior at this rate Make threads about how you don't want any more likes, for some stupid reason, and almost anyone who sees your post will like it. Or, I could make another like generator, and risk getting banned (again).
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1853	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:31:00 - [12423] - Quote icdedppul wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: icdedppul wrote: incidentally crouching while cloaked so OP +1 Disagree with the rest so I'm not giving you a like though. no, how am I going to become a forum warrior at this rate I've gotten over a thousand "likes" in just 3 months. . . I don't even know how that happened Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1057	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:36:00 - [12424] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: IWS, while you're here, can you give an official statement on what the new minimap chevron means? way too much debate and no blue post letting us know what it is. Maybe an orange post can? Seems to me to denote a passively scanned enemy, rather than one spotted by LOS. Also, I think there may be a difference with Squad Leaders. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13980	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:45:00 - [12425] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: I really think there needs some delay in between when you decloak and when you start shooting. I kill/I'm dead before the cloak finished deactivating. the only problem in my eyes, these guys would see it nerfed to flaylock levels when it's only this that needs to be fixed. Edit: also IWS, flaylock is lookinga littleleft out on the pistol scale nudge nudge Its on schedule. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 133	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:46:00 - [12426] - Quote Spademan wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: IWS, while you're here, can you give an official statement on what the new minimap chevron means? way too much debate and no blue post letting us know what it is. Maybe an orange post can? Seems to me to denote a passively scanned enemy, rather than one spotted by LOS. Also, I think there may be a difference with Squad Leaders. you havent used alot of passive scanning yet have you... personally think it has to do with scanned (either passive or active) individuals in cloak, and a graphics glitch as it happens to friendly green dots too that don't even have a cloak, perhaps the cloaked spawn in screwing up will go play with the precisions on a Cal and let you know
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13980	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:47:00 - [12427] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Appia made a complete fool of me the other day when I tried to deal with her vanguard style tactics. She kept an entire squad from capping the nearest base available and while nobody else seemed to be looking for her (I was) she knew how to pick an entire pack apart that isn't paying attention. Pretty sure that was the research facility, with the point at the top of the stairs? Almost positive it was the match there while I was using my C-I Commando with TY-5, got like 21 kills with it. Or it was the game I got 21 kills total between the TY, Assault SMG and REs. On cloaks though. I really think the half-recharged limit was pretty bad idea. It made the basic cloak feel like basic nova knives. What should have had an advantage of having a faster recharge from complete depletion has become the worst because now you need to stay cloaked for at least 30 seconds to make the most of the limit. Making the ARN necessary. I thought 80 seconds would be way longer than I needed, but that was before the minimum charge was announced. Now The Ishukone Cloak is the most valuable because it can be used the most often. Any alteration in duration of the cloaks would need to have that limitation removed. That's why I don't think anything really needs to be changed at the moment. Other than extendeing the delay on cloak deactivation by a small, 0.25-0.5 seconds Nope the small reactor socket on facture road where C is has cure on basement 1 cap point on basement 2. you held the outside pretty well I was in a cal heavy. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2689	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:47:00 - [12428] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: I really think there needs some delay in between when you decloak and when you start shooting. I kill/I'm dead before the cloak finished deactivating. the only problem in my eyes, these guys would see it nerfed to flaylock levels when it's only this that needs to be fixed. Edit: also IWS, flaylock is lookinga littleleft out on the pistol scale nudge nudge Its on schedule. KRRROOOOOOM
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1057	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:48:00 - [12429] - Quote icdedppul wrote: you havent used alot of passive scanning yet have you... personally think it has to do with scanned (either passive or active) individuals in cloak, and a graphics glitch as it happens to friendly green dots too that don't even have a cloak, perhaps the cloaked spawn in screwing up will go play with the precisions on a Cal and let you know Actually yes, I have, so far my most used suit is a Gallente scout with 2 precision enhancers and 3 range enhancers. 'Twas just a guess based on observations of the minimap. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13985	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:48:00 - [12430] - Quote icdedppul wrote: Spademan wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: IWS, while you're here, can you give an official statement on what the new minimap chevron means? way too much debate and no blue post letting us know what it is. Maybe an orange post can? Seems to me to denote a passively scanned enemy, rather than one spotted by LOS. Also, I think there may be a difference with Squad Leaders. you havent used alot of passive scanning yet have you... personally think it has to do with scanned (either passive or active) individuals in cloak, and a graphics glitch as it happens to friendly green dots too that don't even have a cloak, perhaps the cloaked spawn in screwing up will go play with 3 precisions on a Cal and let you know edit: thought it might have to do with elevation too but that didnt work out To be honest I have no idea either I see people through walls still with the traditional dot on passive. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

mollerz 3081	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:54:00 - [12431] - Quote What would you guys say the current delay from cloak to weapon is? If that was doubled I think it would be acceptable, yet not crippling. the one thing is currently, switching from cloaked to knives is a **** show. The only alpha weapon that really works well with attacking from cloak is the shotgun. AFIK, shotguns are not OHK alpha unless you hit another scout. I have to hit heavies like 3 times to kill them, and typically they get ample time to mow me down after the first hit after unncloaking. Depending on the heavy user of course. Some players are little guppies swimming around that are easy to pick off (QQ generators) and there are the real heavy beast users, and it is not easy to kill them even with cloaking and a shotgun. Of course, this is all true if you aren't in proto. If you are in proto gear, you do apex damage, typically, to STD and ADV suit users. The cloak probably didn't really add any difference to the outcome. People just want to be able to point at something like the cloak to explain why they lost versus just accepting they lost and move on. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5554	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:56:00 - [12432] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: I really think there needs some delay in between when you decloak and when you start shooting. I kill/I'm dead before the cloak finished deactivating. the only problem in my eyes, these guys would see it nerfed to flaylock levels when it's only this that needs to be fixed. Edit: also IWS, flaylock is lookinga littleleft out on the pistol scale nudge nudge Its on schedule. Excuse me for a moment, I seem to be in need of a new pair of pants.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1854	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:04:00 - [12433] - Quote mollerz wrote: What would you guys say the current delay from cloak to weapon is? If that was doubled I think it would be acceptable, yet not crippling. the one thing is currently, switching from cloaked to knives is a **** show. The only alpha weapon that really works well with attacking from cloak is the shotgun. AFIK, shotguns are not OHK alpha unless you hit another scout. I have to hit heavies like 3 times to kill them, and typically they get ample time to mow me down after the first hit after unncloaking. Depending on the heavy user of course. Some players are little guppies swimming around that are easy to pick off (QQ generators) and there are the real heavy beast users, and it is not easy to kill them even with cloaking and a shotgun. Of course, this is all true if you aren't in proto. If you are in proto gear, you do apex damage, typically, to STD and ADV suit users. The cloak probably didn't really add any difference to the outcome. People just want to be able to point at something like the cloak to explain why they lost versus just accepting they lost and move on. feels like delay is about a half second. maybe the decloak animation just needs to be faster? Too many times have I died, injured already, from a guy shooting me and decloaking mid-air. Honestly if it weren't from this sidearm event I never would have noticed that problem, because I would have constantly been using the cloak. But the the B/U/L part is the most inportant. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 923	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:04:00 - [12434] - Quote mollerz wrote: Why does the cloak HAVE to be changed? There's no good reasons for it. Seems pretty hysterical, really. This. And just my two cents. Maybe give it a bit more time for players to come to terms with the new mechanic. Currently there are a lot of opinions, but very little data. Seriously, it's been 5 days. Knowledge is power
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 135	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:21:00 - [12435] - Quote Spademan wrote: icdedppul wrote: you havent used alot of passive scanning yet have you... personally think it has to do with scanned (either passive or active) individuals in cloak, and a graphics glitch as it happens to friendly green dots too that don't even have a cloak, perhaps the cloaked spawn in screwing up will go play with the precisions on a Cal and let you know Actually yes, I have, so far my most used suit is a Gallente scout with 2 precision enhancers and 3 range enhancers. 'Twas just a guess based on observations of the minimap. well you should know better :P anyways figured it out they are heavy frames(all variants). they face opposite direction chevron is pointing Edit: which should now prevent you from running face first into that Hvy with the HMG you thought was an easy kill EDIT2: I cant spell for some reason
mollerz 3083	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:23:00 - [12436] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: feels like delay is about a half second. maybe the decloak animation just needs to be faster? Too many times have I died, injured already, from a guy shooting me and decloaking mid-air. Honestly if it weren't from this sidearm event I never would have noticed that problem, because I would have constantly been using the cloak. But the the B/U/L part is the most inportant. I put it at about .5 myself. If it were 1s, that could be okay. On my speed tank suit- I don't use a cloak because I have to make terrible choices to have it. I still do fine running around in a M/1 running ishnoks and no cloak. Cloaking is not OP in any way, but it is useful. I had a knife fight against a cloaked knifer. I had no cloak, and it was kind of like THIS :D I had the most fun even though I died. It was intense and hilarious. People just don't want to lose in this game. People are dying that aren't used to dying. It was fine to them when scouts were horribly gimped and a niche play style with no role. They need to suck it up and HTFU You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6393	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:02:00 - [12437] - Quote I finally had a good match. :O
mollerz 3089	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:36:00 - [12438] - Quote Are they still talking about nerfing the heavy EHP? I don't think they need to. Anyone having crazy problems killing heavies? I'm not. I think heavies are fine with their current EHP. If anything, I'd think they could get buffed just a touch more. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 783	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:16:00 - [12439] - Quote I have done a bunch of "research" looking into chevrons And I can't find a common denominator. One game my entire squad had them, all of various frames. I'm wondering if it has to do with your own scanning ranges precisions. Almost like ccp is trying to "integrate" the passive scanning info into the HUD. But I think it's a little glitchy still. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5559	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:20:00 - [12440] - Quote I need to make money but the M-1 scout is so...... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

mollerz 3098	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:00:00 - [12441] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I need to make money but the M-1 scout is so...... What are your skills like? You have to be core skilled max to make an M-1 work, but it is possible at that point. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5560	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:08:00 - [12442] - Quote mollerz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I need to make money but the M-1 scout is so...... What are your skills like? You have to be core skilled max to make an M-1 work, but it is possible at that point. I have core skills up my yang but the M-1 is just so..... M-1 Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
mollerz 3101	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:11:00 - [12443] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: mollerz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I need to make money but the M-1 scout is so...... What are your skills like? You have to be core skilled max to make an M-1 work, but it is possible at that point. I have core skills up my yang but the M-1 is just so..... M-1 oh man- I got you covered if you knife. 40k ISK. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5560	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:25:00 - [12444] - Quote mollerz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: mollerz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I need to make money but the M-1 scout is so...... What are your skills like? You have to be core skilled max to make an M-1 work, but it is possible at that point. I have core skills up my yang but the M-1 is just so..... M-1 oh man- I got you covered if you knife. 40k ISK. That, actually looks damn good. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1827	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:33:00 - [12445] - Quote mollerz wrote: Are they still talking about nerfing the heavy EHP? I don't think they need to. Anyone having crazy problems killing heavies? I'm not. I think heavies are fine with their current EHP. If anything, I'd think they could get buffed just a touch more. Think the Devs are still collecting data. Haven't seem any new talk of Heavy nerf. IMO, they're in a good place at the moment.
Nyra Volki KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 208	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:03:00 - [12446] - Quote After running all four scouts consistently Amarr- Most versatile in fitting, Can do a lot of different styles but it really depends on how the player fitting is and how it is use. Caldari- Best in utilizing cloak, With that passive range and precision bonus cloak at a distance pop out with a rail rifle or any other long range weapon and kill. Gallente- Best in fitting optimization, Still weak unless you brick tank in which you lose mobility and is no fun. Best in cloak speed tank shotgunning. Minmatar- Best at being an A$$hole, I have the most fun in this suit. The downside is that the suit is weak militia crap can kill Almost instantly even when your stacking eHP mods. Rating from strongest to weakest Caldari and Gallente are best to use and about even in effectiveness. Minmatar is just fun to use enough said. Amarr is the weakest overall but can be formidable with the right fitting and the skill of the user. P.S. this my opinion and sharing my thoughts as i'm Pro in all four. Silent you must be Or die you will From Master scout a kind message
mollerz 3102	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:47:00 - [12447] - Quote Nyra Volki wrote: After running all four scouts consistently Amarr- Most versatile in fitting, Can do a lot of different styles but it really depends on how the player fitting is and how it is use. Caldari- Best in utilizing cloak, With that passive range and precision bonus cloak at a distance pop out with a rail rifle or any other long range weapon and kill. Gallente- Best in fitting optimization, Still weak unless you brick tank in which you lose mobility and is no fun. Best in cloak speed tank shotgunning. Minmatar- Best at being an A$$hole, I have the most fun in this suit. The downside is that the suit is weak militia crap can kill Almost instantly even when your stacking eHP mods. Rating from strongest to weakest Caldari and Gallente are best to use and about even in effectiveness. Minmatar is just fun to use enough said. Amarr is the weakest overall but can be formidable with the right fitting and the skill of the user. P.S. this my opinion and sharing my thoughts as i'm Pro in all four. I'd just say Gal is best at utilizing cloak.. I can hide and stalk anyboady! Cal is best for seeing amazing depth of the battlefield before you.. and I am only lv 2! I go all proto wear with my c-1 tho. I can't even cloak with it but I roll with 2x c nanos and rail/magsec. So fun. No idea about amarr- never will .. But, you called it on ninjas. The assholes for sure I am having so much fun staying out of combat and just hacking and running and assassinating soft targets.. no direct combat. way fun :D You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4865	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:09:00 - [12448] - Quote Alright so after playing quite a bit of 1.8, here's my review as a fellow scout. Alright, well let's start off with pubs. Now to my and your probable surprise, I'm actually doing worse in pubs with my scout than I was doing in 1.7. I'm not sure exactly why but I have a theory.. I was relying TOO much on passive scanning in 1.7 and it became my crutch This is the most likely reason as to why I'm doing comparatively worse in 1.8 even though scouts got a buff. In 1.7, everyone was a medium frame and I always picked them up on my passive scans as a scout. I learned to look on my radar more than on the screen similar to the active scanner dudes. As such, once scouts got buffed and more people started running them, I can't completely rely on my passive scan like in 1.7 anymore...unfortunately. I won't lie...there's been a couple matches where I've been getting wrecked lol. Now here's the weird part though... I am doing a lot better in PC lol. Like a lot better. With the introduction of cloak and increased ttk, my shotgun scout has been owning like crazy. http://imgur.com/mplevQ1 - shameless epeen stroking Now I know those weren't the best opponents, but still. I don't know why I can't do that well in pubs lol. I just don't know why. Also by the way, in my personal opinion, scouts are kinda OP lol. Although I don't know if that's my biased opinion since most of my deaths in pubs is due to damn scouts not showing up on my radar Overall, I like 1.8. Besides all the glitches and bugs that make me wonder if CCP ever even slightly tests their own **, I still enjoy 1.8. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5** \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 968	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:48:00 - [12449] - Quote mollerz wrote: Are they still talking about nerfing the heavy EHP? I don't think they need to. Anyone having crazy problems killing heavies? I'm not. I think heavies are fine with their current EHP. If anything, I'd think they could get buffed just a touch more. At first I was, now i'm not. I still need to be careful with them, but that is expected because my Scout is paper thin. They are probably fine the way they are eHP wise. HMG's on the other hand... not sure but man those things are melting me like a candle under a blowtorch. Most of my deaths are because i'm too reckless with attacking them or I miss the initial surprise headshot and the subsequent follow up shot before they unleash the power of the HMG on me.
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 1024	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:54:00 - [12450] - Quote Advance mim heavy. 2 complex kincats= 7.7 sprint on a heavy frame, hehe hehe muhahahahahahahaha! I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!



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