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mollerz 3069	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:59:00 - [12391] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: I know most wont like it here but I think the max cloak duration should be 30s - Just my opinion. 30s is good in certain situations. Nowhere enough time on big maps. When you are hiding from a squad, and you are ticking down from 30s or less.. it is not much time. You severely contract it's tactical advantages and make it useful for one or two situations versus the broad range of situations the ADV/PRO cloak is useful for now. The 30s timer is what makes the basic cloak garbage. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 297	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:10:00 - [12392] - Quote mollerz wrote: Master Smurf wrote: I know most wont like it here but I think the max cloak duration should be 30s - Just my opinion. 30s is good in certain situations. Nowhere enough time on big maps. When you are hiding from a squad, and you are ticking down from 30s or less.. it is not much time. You severely contract it's tactical advantages and make it useful for one or two situations versus the broad range of situations the ADV/PRO cloak is useful for now. The 30s timer is what makes the basic cloak garbage. I understand this but it would force people to sneak into situations and then use cloak more tactically. At the moment you can can use it like a switch as long as you are above 50% and the recharge is really fast. It charges nearly as fast as a minnie's stamina. It compounds many issues people are having. Anyway - just my opinion and no need to carry on - enough cloak talk around the place. "Shine bright like a diamond"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 865	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:19:00 - [12393] - Quote mollerz wrote: Master Smurf wrote: I know most wont like it here but I think the max cloak duration should be 30s - Just my opinion. 30s is good in certain situations. Nowhere enough time on big maps. When you are hiding from a squad, and you are ticking down from 30s or less.. it is not much time. You severely contract it's tactical advantages and make it useful for one or two situations versus the broad range of situations the ADV/PRO cloak is useful for now. The 30s timer is what makes the basic cloak garbage. I agree. As a minja who uses the cloak a lot for hacking, and often having to cross the entire field to get to an undefended location, as well as making sure my squishitude avoids hot spots, I find I often need all 60 seconds. Not to mention being careful about attacking or declacking with less than half the clack stamina left. Other than the mechanics of the slow declack, I think it is working great. Looking for the scout hangout?
mollerz 3069	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:20:00 - [12394] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: mollerz wrote: Master Smurf wrote: I know most wont like it here but I think the max cloak duration should be 30s - Just my opinion. 30s is good in certain situations. Nowhere enough time on big maps. When you are hiding from a squad, and you are ticking down from 30s or less.. it is not much time. You severely contract it's tactical advantages and make it useful for one or two situations versus the broad range of situations the ADV/PRO cloak is useful for now. The 30s timer is what makes the basic cloak garbage. I understand this but it would force people to sneak into situations and then use cloak more tactically. At the moment you can can use it like a switch as long as you are above 50% and the recharge is really fast. It charges nearly as fast as a minnie's stamina. It compounds many issues people are having. The existing cloaks currently force you to sneak into situations and use the cloak tactically. having a shorter amount of time to take down an outlier objective by yourself and defend it from a proto squad that comes to take it back requires the cloak to be as is. You might use it one way, another scout might be more methodical and need more time. It doesn't even guarantee success in any way whatsoever. Smart players already know how to counter cloaks, and I am seeing it more and more. Try using a cloak vs a proto squad of team players. You'll see that the cloak can only help you if you are sneaky and tactical. And 30s is not long enough to accomplish that when you are up against heavy hitters... with just knives. You can't nerf something based on the lowest common denominator of player base. The ones who lost their FOTM, or can't adapt, or can't even see the huge blur and use their reticle. You want to do it based on the best players. I wish I'd se more of that approach to nerfs vs QQ. They need to fix the glitches with it. There is no way to tell who is abusing that and who isn't. But it is, no doubt, helping the QQ build. I was in a match vs nyan san or chan.. whatever, and they were doing the hack/invisibility glitch. Yet- I still was able to see them coming- using my eyeballs as well as my reticle (turns red). So, even when the cloak is working with the person attacking, you can still fight back and win as usual. If you die, so what? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 297	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:29:00 - [12395] - Quote You cant balance based on lowest or highest Anyway - moving on. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 110	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:09:00 - [12396] - Quote Had a Clack-off with another scout. I was chasing him and he clacked as he turned a corner. Logically, I checked the nooks and crannies. He had run straight ahead and opened up with an assault rifle when my back was turned. I jumped off the building we were on and clacked asap. This went back and forth for a few minutes. TTK sure makes it a bit more fun since I have time to react The Leviathan has Awoken and in hungers
pseudosnipre Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 652	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:19:00 - [12397] - Quote As a solution to cloaked scouts with high ehp, what do you think about both changes made concurrently along with bug fixes? 1. Shield must be > 0 to cloak: -flux and taking sufficient damage drops cloak -getting into armor during combat prevents cloak -shield stackers inherently penalized by longer depleted recharge time 2. No dampening bonus to cloak: -must sacrifice dampening modules to armor tank Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2684	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:22:00 - [12398] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: As a solution to cloaked scouts with high ehp, what do you think about both changes made concurrently along with bug fixes? 1. Shield must be > 0 to cloak: -flux and taking sufficient damage drops cloak -getting into armor during combat prevents cloak -shield stackers inherently penalized by longer depleted recharge time No dampening bonus to cloak: -must sacrifice dampening modules to armor tank Doesn't requiring the cloak to have >0 shields just encourage stacking shield extenders? KRRROOOOOOM
pseudosnipre Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 652	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:24:00 - [12399] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: As a solution to cloaked scouts with high ehp, what do you think about both changes made concurrently along with bug fixes? 1. Shield must be > 0 to cloak: -flux and taking sufficient damage drops cloak -getting into armor during combat prevents cloak -shield stackers inherently penalized by longer depleted recharge time No dampening bonus to cloak: -must sacrifice dampening modules to armor tank Doesn't requiring the cloak to have >0 shields just encourage stacking shield extenders? Only until CCP finally causes shield extenders to increase profile. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
mollerz 3075	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:24:00 - [12400] - Quote Why does the cloak HAVE to be changed? There's no good reasons for it. Seems pretty hysterical, really. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13962	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:34:00 - [12401] - Quote I swear some people need to be flayed with a nova knife on the forums uhhhg >-< How to annoy IWS Criticizes the CPM. Promotes self like an CPM Hypocrisy Gets fired from the community. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13964	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:42:00 - [12402] - Quote mollerz wrote: Why does the cloak HAVE to be changed? There's no good reasons for it. Seems pretty hysterical, really. Depends. Right now the ball is in the non-cloakers field and they're not happy at all. Fundamentally the cloak is very fine as is in comparison to other game's cloaks. But this is Dust 514. The cloak is almost there for dust 514. Almost. Anyways the cloaks are a blast for me and my usual skirmisher (sidelines) self. Since its introduction been trying my hand at vanguard scouts (front line) and doing toe to toe while dancing like hell in the meat grinder. Appia made a complete fool of me the other day when I tried to deal with her vanguard style tactics. She kept an entire squad from capping the nearest base available and while nobody else seemed to be looking for her (I was) she knew how to pick an entire pack apart that isn't paying attention. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2686	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:47:00 - [12403] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I swear some people need to be flayed with a nova knife on the forums uhhhg >-< How to annoy IWS Criticizes the CPM. Promotes self like an CPM Hypocrisy Gets fired from the community. You brave bastard Here is what I a seeing at this point To soon to make a concrete call on the cloak many people are confusing what the issue is because they can not actually define a problem do to resistance to adapting to the changes. Clack is a game changer People are not separating what they see as an issue. Example many people have "no problem with the cloak, but have a problem with brick tanked scouts using the cloak" Because so many are not making a distinction on what the problem is they are calling for changes that are not related to what they want changed. Changes in a general way affect the strengths and weaknesses of different scout suits in different ways. Nerf the cloak to fix the "Gal Scout problem" and you screw over the Minjas and Amarr for example. It's a mess When i get a chance I'll flay some folks for you KRRROOOOOOM
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2686	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:48:00 - [12404] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: mollerz wrote: Why does the cloak HAVE to be changed? There's no good reasons for it. Seems pretty hysterical, really. Depends. Right now the ball is in the non-cloakers field and they're not happy at all. Fundamentally the cloak is very fine as is in comparison to other game's cloaks. But this is Dust 514. The cloak is almost there for dust 514. Almost. Anyways the cloaks are a blast for me and my usual skirmisher (sidelines) self. Since its introduction been trying my hand at vanguard scouts (front line) and doing toe to toe while dancing like hell in the meat grinder. Appia made a complete fool of me the other day when I tried to deal with her vanguard style tactics. She kept an entire squad from capping the nearest base available and while nobody else seemed to be looking for her (I was) she knew how to pick an entire pack apart that isn't paying attention. Appia does that to a lot of us KRRROOOOOOM
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1055	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:53:00 - [12405] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Appia does that to a lot of us One of these days I've got to go up against her and see what the fuss is about I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1819	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:53:00 - [12406] - Quote mollerz wrote: Why does the cloak HAVE to be changed? There's no good reasons for it. Seems pretty hysterical, really. ^ This. We're splitting hairs (IMHO). Cloak is far from broken. Why fix it?
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1851	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:55:00 - [12407] - Quote I really think there needs some delay in between when you decloak and when you start shooting. I kill/I'm dead before the cloak finished deactivating. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5542	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:57:00 - [12408] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: I really think there needs some delay in between when you decloak and when you start shooting. I kill/I'm dead before the cloak finished deactivating. the only problem in my eyes, these guys would see it nerfed to flaylock levels when it's only this that needs to be fixed. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1057	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:11:00 - [12409] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Edit: also IWS, flaylock is lookinga littleleft out on the pistol scale nudge nudge Speaking of which, any chance of a Flaylock rifle as the Minmatar sniper rifle? After all, who needs precision when you have a big explosion? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 54	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:14:00 - [12410] - Quote I don't really use cloaks at the moment, as I've no good scout suits to use and haven't spec'd into scout suits; makes using them cloaks horribly ineffecient. The truth of the matter is I used to run dampeners in the past, but now I look, STD Cloak Shields (once with the proper skills) take around 40 CPU and XX PG (can't remember off the top of my head) and they give 25% dampening bonus. Thinks me, I've been using basic dampeners and the Cloak gets two things in one--Dampening bonus + cloaking. So I've been saving up SP to re-spec into scouts. Thankfully though I got my sniper upgraded and can finally use Charge Snipers. But holy hell, some of the heavies these days are armed to the teeth. A good thing they're so damn slow, though, or else I'd be dead 1/2 of the time. Saw a heavy once, climbing over a hill getting a tad close to my mountain. Pegged him in the head with a charge and for some reason he didn't drop! Figures me I might've hit his torso but I was pretty sure I got him in the head, had a little armor left so I brought him down. But by then I was in HMG range, a scary thought if he stopped to shoot... Dragonfly scouts only have so much armor, you see, and that being I don't run armor modules. I'd rather use the PG/CPU to plant Proto/ADV Spawns and get WP off of that... I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...

Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2584	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:15:00 - [12411] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: I know most wont like it here but I think the max cloak duration should be 30s - Just my opinion. Also, isnt there another tactical pistol with the increased zoom? I was using the gifted IA5 and now went looking on the market for an ISK variant and Hasn't been purchaseable all of uprising. My solution - get good at aiming - I never ADS ;) Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 129	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:15:00 - [12412] - Quote so personal opinion cloak needs to be nerfed.. this from a lvl 5 Min/Gal/Cal scout my 1 alt is also a scout I can almost go an entire match with out leaving cloak except to kill people my first gut reaction was the recharge time needs a hit now I am thinking something similar, 2 variants.. Short Duration Fast recharge long Duration Slow recharge I was doing perfectly fine before it came along, now I am finding that instead of relying on my past experience I just cloak.. cause why not there is no down side to it, and it will recharge while I go knife that heavy over there incidentily crouching while cloaked so OP
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1853	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:20:00 - [12413] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Appia made a complete fool of me the other day when I tried to deal with her vanguard style tactics. She kept an entire squad from capping the nearest base available and while nobody else seemed to be looking for her (I was) she knew how to pick an entire pack apart that isn't paying attention. Pretty sure that was the research facility, with the point at the top of the stairs? Almost positive it was the match there while I was using my C-I Commando with TY-5, got like 21 kills with it. Or it was the game I got 21 kills total between the TY, Assault SMG and REs. On cloaks though. I really think the half-recharged limit was pretty bad idea. It made the basic cloak feel like basic nova knives. What should have had an advantage of having a faster recharge from complete depletion has become the worst before you need to stay cloaked for at least 30 seconds to make the most of the limit. Making the ARN necessary. I thought 80 seconds would be way longer than I needed, but that was before the minimum charge was announced. Now The Ishukone Cloak is the most valuable because it can be used the most often. Any alteration in duration of the cloaks would need to have that limitation removed. That's why I don't think anything really needs to be changed at the moment. Other than extendeing the delay on cloak deactivation by a small, 0.25-0.5 seconds Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2585	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:23:00 - [12414] - Quote I like Icdedppul's and Appia's ideas on cloak changes: - time to shoot delay longer: think I saw somewhere mention of up to 2.5s; that would be insane but perhaps edging up from 0.5s to 1s may be reasonable. - all clack recharge rates need to be slower; the short duration fast recharge sounds like a good variant but recharge should be no faster than the current rate BTW - Icdedppul, for as long as I can remember I thought your name was Icedppl - stay frosty ;) Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1853	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:24:00 - [12415] - Quote icdedppul wrote: incidentally crouching while cloaked so OP +1 Disagree with the rest so I'm not giving you a like though. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2585	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:27:00 - [12416] - Quote Also IWS - look through all the nonsense and see that what people are really angry about (even if they don't realise themselves) is that brick tanking > ALL. It was always the biggest complaint behind our scoutly gripes in the past; that stealth play was out-classed by brick tanking. Now stealth play works but combines with brick tanking too! It's like double OP! Sort out brick tanking as the best mod fittings and the whole game will be in a much better place. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 130	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:27:00 - [12417] - Quote Django Quik wrote: BTW - Icdedppul, for as long as I can remember I thought your name was Icedppl - stay frosty ;) yeah thats a common one. not many people get it right out of the gates. most just see a bunch of letters and dont even bother trying.. eventually they ask how to pronounce or what I would like to be called
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1853	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:27:00 - [12418] - Quote IWS, while you're here, can you give an official statement on what the new minimap chevron means? way too much debate and no blue post letting us know what it is. Maybe an orange post can? Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1853	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:28:00 - [12419] - Quote Spademan wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Edit: also IWS, flaylock is lookinga littleleft out on the pistol scale nudge nudge Speaking of which, any chance of a Flaylock rifle as the Minmatar sniper rifle? After all, who needs precision when you have a big explosion? YES! Bring back the Experimental Sniper Rifle. Have it be the Minmatar's long range weapon! Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 130	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:29:00 - [12420] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: icdedppul wrote: incidentally crouching while cloaked so OP +1 Disagree with the rest so I'm not giving you a like though. no, how am I going to become a forum warrior at this rate



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