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Ghost Kaisar wrote:

IgniteableAura wrote:

Flux does not deactivate cloak. I really don't think it should either. I don't think any damage should change the cloak. You will start to see people random spraying when they see a "cloak effect". Not that it doesn't happen now, but that sort of behavior should not be encouraged.

I only really use cloak to hack nonobjective points, for its damp bonus, to hide waiting for an ambush. Its getting more rare for me to utilize it while moving from place to place. Simply because I have such a large scan radius I know when to hit cloak.

I don't think minmitar is worth the SP anymore. Too many sacrifices (better options), you just can't fit a minmitar scout well enough. You can use a Gal scout much better for hacking then a minmitar (range bonus, low slots, PG)

I actually disagree this build.

My Min Scout has been tearing it up. I run Diverse low slots, and while my eHP is lower, I can still dodge almost all scans, all Cal Scouts not running two precisions, Run Faster than 90% of scouts, and hack in 5 seconds.

On top of running 350 eHP and having 210 Melee with a Six Kin SMG and Proto Knives.

I love my build Twisted

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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5386	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:48:00 - [12271] - Quote Requesting support! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 884	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:56:00 - [12272] - Quote What is the magic number to get under Cal Scouts passive scan?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 827	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:04:00 - [12273] - Quote BARDAS wrote: What is the magic number to get under Cal Scouts passive scan? Check the scanning table here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149833&find=unread It will give you all the info you need on what picks up/hides from what. Looking for the scout hangout?
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4842	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:11:00 - [12274] - Quote I love the bolt pistol. Already got it proto and I'm debating whether prof is worth the sp since it already destroys armor. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1838	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:15:00 - [12275] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: BARDAS wrote: What is the magic number to get under Cal Scouts passive scan? Check the scanning table here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149833&find=unread It will give you all the info you need on what picks up/hides from what. Dude, quit linking to that random guy that just stole haerr' table https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&amp;amp;usp=sharing#gid=0 the table he wants you to look at. 1 click away, instead of 3 Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
NotTheCloneYouAre LookingFor Nos Nothi 121	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:27:00 - [12276] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: One Eyed King wrote: BARDAS wrote: What is the magic number to get under Cal Scouts passive scan? Check the scanning table here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149833&find=unread It will give you all the info you need on what picks up/hides from what. Dude, quit linking to that random guy that just stole haerr' table https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&amp;amp;usp=sharing#gid=0 the table he wants you to look at. 1 click away, instead of 3 My bad. It was the only one I could find. Cyclops Rex
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 887	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:52:00 - [12277] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: One Eyed King wrote: BARDAS wrote: What is the magic number to get under Cal Scouts passive scan? Check the scanning table here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149833&find=unread It will give you all the info you need on what picks up/hides from what. Dude, quit linking to that random guy that just stole haerr' table https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&amp;amp;usp=sharing#gid=0 the table he wants you to look at. 1 click away, instead of 3 So 17.85 is the magic number with 2 complex precision enhancers? I currently have 17.5 with one complex damp without using cloak and 8.75 while cloaked as a proto skilled Gal Scout. Are these number rounded up by chance? Does 17.85 equal a tie to 17.5 in the eyes of the code? I remember someone saying a tie goes to the person scanning. EDIT: Thanks for the table. Very helpful!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3847	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:29:00 - [12278] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: One Eyed King wrote: BARDAS wrote: What is the magic number to get under Cal Scouts passive scan? Check the scanning table here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149833&find=unread It will give you all the info you need on what picks up/hides from what. Dude, quit linking to that random guy that just stole haerr' table https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&amp;amp;usp=sharing#gid=0 the table he wants you to look at. 1 click away, instead of 3 So 17.85 is the magic number with 2 complex precision enhancers? I currently have 17.5 with one complex damp without using cloak and 8.75 while cloaked as a proto skilled Gal Scout. Are these number rounded up by chance? Does 17.85 equal a tie to 17.5 in the eyes of the code? I remember someone saying a tie goes to the person scanning. EDIT: Thanks for the table. Very helpful! That would be me. Numbers round up to the closest whole number value I believe. And the tie ALWAYS goes to the scanner. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3848	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:42:00 - [12279] - Quote On the topic of sidearms I've gone back to my sidearm scout. Six Kin SMG tears people to shreds when fluxed pre ambush. Knives are obligatory. Combine with the Speed, Stealth, Hack Low modules, and I am a very happy Ghost. I had a round today where I went 5-1 and got 1500 WP. My WP have gone through the roof with this hack bonus. Storytime: Triple indoor letter map of Gal research Facility. I go into Bravo (Death trap objective) and see the horde of heavies moving to take supply depot (The hack had just finished.) They all were leaving, so I just kept tabs on them with passive scans while cloaked. I waited until I saw the gunfight go down over by supply. I hacked the objective in 5s and ran. I then went to Charlie (Right across from Bravo) and took that as well. Then I hooked around, took CRU and headed up to Alpha. Stab Heavy guard, hack Alpha, jump down. Head into the underground supply depot. Hack that. I notice that they had just started to hack charlie. So I hack Bravo The life of a Min scout is so fun now. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 887	Posted - 2014.03.28 07:29:00 - [12280] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: BARDAS wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: One Eyed King wrote: BARDAS wrote: What is the magic number to get under Cal Scouts passive scan? Check the scanning table here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149833&find=unread It will give you all the info you need on what picks up/hides from what. Dude, quit linking to that random guy that just stole haerr' table https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&amp;amp;usp=sharing#gid=0 the table he wants you to look at. 1 click away, instead of 3 So 17.85 is the magic number with 2 complex precision enhancers? I currently have 17.5 with one complex damp without using cloak and 8.75 while cloaked as a proto skilled Gal Scout. Are these number rounded up by chance? Does 17.85 equal a tie to 17.5 in the eyes of the code? I remember someone saying a tie goes to the person scanning. EDIT: Thanks for the table. Very helpful! That would be me. Numbers round up to the closest whole number value I believe. And the tie ALWAYS goes to the scanner. Thanks! That explains why I got nailed by this Cal Scout a couple matches ago. Dude suddenly made a beeline straight at me as soon as my cloak dropped

Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 99	Posted - 2014.03.28 08:33:00 - [12281] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I want a funny tag by my name. spine thirsty
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2558	Posted - 2014.03.28 08:46:00 - [12282] - Quote Someone's saying cal and gal scan ranges are OP! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=151798 Also, look inside for my first double post in months - damn this stupid train wifi; I'd gone so long without falling off that wagon! Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1963	Posted - 2014.03.28 10:31:00 - [12283] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I love the bolt pistol. Already got it proto and I'm debating whether prof is worth the sp since it already destroys armor. You running shotty + bolt pistol? Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1963	Posted - 2014.03.28 10:39:00 - [12284] - Quote When assaults get their HP buffed (hopefully), noone will QQ about scouts bricktanking, and everything will be OK. Dont get why the cal/gal scan scout is considered to be OP, its very well balanced VS the ability to tank. One has to consider that its a very niche role to be a scan scout also. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1778	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:06:00 - [12285] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: When assaults get their HP buffed (hopefully), noone will QQ about scouts bricktanking, and everything will be OK. Dont get why the cal/gal scan scout is considered to be OP, its very well balanced VS the ability to tank. One has to consider that its a very niche role to be a scan scout also. Agreed on both counts. A Scout can focus on tank, speed, or stealth / ewar. Those claiming that Scouts are invisible and fast at 1000 HP are mistaken. Glad to read that Heavies and Scouts are healthy. Assaults will soon be brought up to par and we'll be closer than ever to Chrome-like balance. We've made a lot of progress over the past few builds; wasn't long ago that everyone ran Logi + Duvolle.
Krom Ganesh Nos Nothi 1467	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:25:00 - [12286] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Requesting support! I would like to see damage mods in low slots as well, but for that change to occur there is going to have to be more modules switching slots. The weakness of a shield tank is that it has less health than an armor tank. A way to overcome this is to increase damage output. So if damage mods were moved to low slots, the counter to shield tanking's weakness would be available without decreasing how much you can tank. To balance this, armor tanking's weakness (reduced movement and sprint speed) will need its counter moved to high slots. That means either cardiac regulators or kincats will need to become high slot mods.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5425	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:09:00 - [12287] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Requesting support! I would like to see damage mods in low slots as well, but for that change to occur there is going to have to be more modules switching slots. The weakness of a shield tank is that it has less health than an armor tank. A way to overcome this is to increase damage output. So if damage mods were moved to low slots, the counter to shield tanking's weakness would be available without decreasing how much you can tank. To balance this, armor tanking's weakness (reduced movement and sprint speed) will need its counter moved to high slots. That means either cardiac regulators or kincats will need to become high slot mods. I'd say cardiacs would make more sense, then the Amarr can take advantage of it's bonus as well. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5425	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:10:00 - [12288] - Quote Caldari seems to be the best scout at the moment. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5425	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:11:00 - [12289] - Quote Also has anyone been speed tanking? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 991	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:12:00 - [12290] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Also has anyone been speed tanking? Have been. Still seems more effective to hybrid tank armour and speed I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!

Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 97	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:37:00 - [12291] - Quote I need to give my respect to those who use the cloak expertly. Got knifed 6 times this morning and on my death screen I saw them recloak. There's a lot of shimmer when moving but rotating does nothing to it. The battlefield seems to be 40% Heavy (S&C) 40% Scout 20% Medium So many FotM players but many appear to be trying roles that didn't exist before. I need more sp to adv my scout suits. Amarr, Cal, and Gal all have their merits to me. Also, does flux deactivate cloaks? It should in my opinion, provided it isn't spammed. 11 days till FotM dies away -mutters- I suck as scout these days The Leviathan has Awoken and in hungers
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2569	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:01:00 - [12292] - Quote Murt Lesp wrote: Also, does flux deactivate cloaks? It should in my opinion, provided it isn't spammed. Nothing breaks cloak apart from the cloak user themselves. It would make sense for fluxes to do it too but I don't think it's an urgent necessity in any way. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Krom Ganesh Nos Nothi 1470	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:06:00 - [12293] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Murt Lesp wrote: Also, does flux deactivate cloaks? It should in my opinion, provided it isn't spammed. Nothing breaks cloak apart from the cloak user themselves. It would make sense for fluxes to do it too but I don't think it's an urgent necessity in any way. I feel it should as well, but the thought of a lucky flux removing my ability to hide and stripping me of my only real defense at the same time is absolutely terrifying. I like the idea someone else mentioned for the cloak to act as a sort of EM shielding. When hit with the flux, it would drain the cloaks meter first and then damage the suit's shield.
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1783	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:18:00 - [12294] - Quote Murt Lesp wrote: 11 days till FotM dies away Please elaborate / link / etc. Else we'll set Appia upon your loved ones.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2652	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:18:00 - [12295] - Quote Rather see a new Nade that disrupts Cloak, Tacnet, Scanner, Hardeners and such. An ECM Nade specific to purpose so it's a choice to fit it and not disadvantage shields. KRRROOOOOOM
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 758	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:18:00 - [12296] - Quote Flux does not deactivate cloak. I really don't think it should either. I don't think any damage should change the cloak. You will start to see people random spraying when they see a "cloak effect". Not that it doesn't happen now, but that sort of behavior should not be encouraged. I only really use cloak to hack nonobjective points, for its damp bonus, to hide waiting for an ambush. Its getting more rare for me to utilize it while moving from place to place. Simply because I have such a large scan radius I know when to hit cloak. I don't think minmitar is worth the SP anymore. Too many sacrifices (better options), you just can't fit a minmitar scout well enough. You can use a Gal scout much better for hacking then a minmitar (range bonus, low slots, PG) PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3870	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:21:00 - [12297] - Quote Community Opinion time! Cloaks: Are they a Scrub tool for Scrub scouts? Or are they powerful tools when used correctly, and terrible when used wrong? Been arguing with Costy, and he thinks I'm in idiot. So, this is just to see where everyone stands on this. Link to the OP post, for those who care. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3870	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:23:00 - [12298] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Flux does not deactivate cloak. I really don't think it should either. I don't think any damage should change the cloak. You will start to see people random spraying when they see a "cloak effect". Not that it doesn't happen now, but that sort of behavior should not be encouraged. I only really use cloak to hack nonobjective points, for its damp bonus, to hide waiting for an ambush. Its getting more rare for me to utilize it while moving from place to place. Simply because I have such a large scan radius I know when to hit cloak. I don't think minmitar is worth the SP anymore. Too many sacrifices (better options), you just can't fit a minmitar scout well enough. You can use a Gal scout much better for hacking then a minmitar (range bonus, low slots, PG) I actually disagree this build. My Min Scout has been tearing it up. I run Diverse low slots, and while my eHP is lower, I can still dodge almost all scans, all Cal Scouts not running two precisions, Run Faster than 90% of scouts, and hack in 5 seconds. On top of running 350 eHP and having 210 Melee with a Six Kin SMG and Proto Knives. I love my build I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1785	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:36:00 - [12299] - Quote @ Ghost NK + SMG > NK + Fine Rifle ?
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 758	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:44:00 - [12300] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Flux does not deactivate cloak. I really don't think it should either. I don't think any damage should change the cloak. You will start to see people random spraying when they see a "cloak effect". Not that it doesn't happen now, but that sort of behavior should not be encouraged. I only really use cloak to hack nonobjective points, for its damp bonus, to hide waiting for an ambush. Its getting more rare for me to utilize it while moving from place to place. Simply because I have such a large scan radius I know when to hit cloak. I don't think minmitar is worth the SP anymore. Too many sacrifices (better options), you just can't fit a minmitar scout well enough. You can use a Gal scout much better for hacking then a minmitar (range bonus, low slots, PG) I actually disagree this build. My Min Scout has been tearing it up. I run Diverse low slots, and while my eHP is lower, I can still dodge almost all scans, all Cal Scouts not running two precisions, Run Faster than 90% of scouts, and hack in 5 seconds. On top of running 350 eHP and having 210 Melee with a Six Kin SMG and Proto Knives. I love my build Yes but a gal can get nearly the same build with a far better scan range and a REAL gun. Scout gk.057,690 Complex Shield Extender4,275 Complex Shield Extender4,275 Complex Codebreaker4,275 Complex Codebreaker4,275 Complex Kinetic Catalyzer2,955 Complex Cardiac Regulator3,150 Boundless Combat Rifle47,220 Ishukone Nova Knives12,975 Flux Grenade1,605 Compact Nanohive900 ARN-18 Cloak Field3,420 ISK Estimated Cost:~ 147,015 PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube



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