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Ivan Avogadro wrote:

not to derail the spelling bee, but I was thinking about a response to my own post for much of today. I *think that the Gallente Scout Dampening debacle can be fixed with none other than our very own Active Scanner. Right now, scanners have set precision values. If you change that the be the users precision plus a bonus, you get a very very wide range of efficiency in the scanner.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmEnn9guyATXdGN6WEp3Zzc3SVM5cVVXb3NwOThNVXc&usp=sharing

Basic idea:

STD Scanner = no bonus to precision, it just employs the user's base precision at range
ADV Scanner = 15% bonus to user precision in scans
PRO Scanner = 25% bonus to user precision in scans
PRO Focused = 30% bonus to user precision in scans

At the lowest level, like an unmodded Assault using STD scanner, he would be able to see 100m ahead of himself with his own passive scanning. It's just an early glimpse at what he was going to see anyway, but he can generate WPs this way. And it only requires minimal investment in the fit.

At the highest level, a Cal Scout with at least 3 precision mods, he would be able to scan a Gal Scout with 3 dampeners. The only respite the Gal Scout has is to activate his cloak. So 3 mods + Equip cancels 3 mods + Equip. Perfect racial parity, favoring dampeners. Two dedicated fits going to war with each other.

Then you have everything in between. EWAR participation becomes a question of fitting trade offs. How many slots do you want to spend on intel instead of tank? Scanner is an easy piece to run, generates WPs, and in this model can get very efficient quite quickly.

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Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2549	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:01:00 - [12241] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: Math advice scouts... I'm running gal scout. Lvl 5 precision. With 2 complex precision mods what's my precision at? I like to hunt other scouts when I get killed by them ;) and wanna see them (love killing the new fotm chasing scouts) That's what I run on pretty much all my fits - or at least my most common ones - with 2-3 complex range extenders too. It's a beautiful thing to run but better make sure you don't get spotted by ANYONE because you will die. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Lucifalic Nos Nothi 389	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:09:00 - [12242] - Quote Yes same here. 2 precision. 1 or 2 kin kat, 1 or 2 range. Sometimes damps. Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.
Lucifalic Nos Nothi 390	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:14:00 - [12243] - Quote I guess the point is.... I have enough sp unallocated to get a proto suit. Do I get a cal suit to get my precision low enough (ie gal w 2 complex precision still isnt enough) or can i get mini like I want. Mini does get 3 highs so I also thought I could get one and make a 3 complex precision build for scout hunting. I want a speed, hacking knife suit afterall ;) Feel free to persuade me one way or another. Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2549	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:29:00 - [12244] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: I guess the point is.... I have enough sp unallocated to get a proto suit. Do I get a cal suit to get my precision low enough (ie gal w 2 complex precision still isnt enough) or can i get mini like I want. Mini does get 3 highs so I also thought I could get one and make a 3 complex precision build for scout hunting. I want a speed, hacking knife suit afterall ;) I don't really think 3 precisions would do a whole lot more than 2; you'll catch non-gal scouts with 1 complex dampener just the same with just 2 and you still won't catch them if they have any more than that; gal scouts you'll catch as long as they're undampened but anything extra and your extra precision enhancer still makes no difference. Edit - actually read the table totally wrong! I'll leave that there as evidence of my dumbassery... The extra enhancer allows you to catch fully skilled gal scouts, while they can still hide from 2 enhancers without dampening at all. It also allows you to scan non-gal scouts with only 1 complex dampener, who would be unscannable with just 2. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4825	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:35:00 - [12245] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I want a funny tag by my name. To hell with it. For the cost of one like and a reply to that post, I'll put whatever the hell you want by your name. "His suit brings all the boys to the yard, and they're like, it's better than yours, damn right it's better than yours" Amarr scout <3 GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
voidfaction Void of Faction 198	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:35:00 - [12246] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Okay after stabing people in the face and a cig I feel calmed. My point from my irrational mini rant was that I should not be forced to run my suit to someone else's liking. Its my toon, sp, suit and choice. I can use the same logic some people are using on heavies. That a heavy should only run plates and rep. Well I run comp kincats on mine. Do I suddenly become public enemy number 1? Am I breaking the game? sigh.... My gal scout suit is a armored based suit. Is running two plates that much of a crime? fit it any way you can. Is that not what CCP advertised in the beginning with the Heavy with a sniper rifle example. I don't think it's right but opinions are like a-holes and all other games restrict those types of things by class. I played 1 other game that tried this and after some time they realized it was impossible to balance and changed it to class based. I don't look at it as it being right or wrong. I look at it as a balance issue. more armor should make you slower which it does but also should make you less dampened. Shield should do the same IMO and cause more shimmer to cloaking. The gallente scout can be made into a really fine assault scout just as the logi was able to be a really fine assault logi. We all know that didn't bother anyone. What do you think of Heavies red line sniping? What did you think of logi being a better assault? What do you think if a logi can be a better scout? ---cloaking with equipment bonus--- if a logi should not get equipment bonus for a piece of equipment then put the cloak in a special cloak only slot. if scout is only supposed to use 1 armor plate give scout only 1 armor plate slot. If a heavy is not supposed to snipe in the red line make the rifle so it back fire insta killing them and deleting their account forcing them to start over.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3840	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:38:00 - [12247] - Quote Django Quik wrote: [quote=Lucifalic]I guess the point is.... I have enough sp unallocated to get a proto suit. Do I get a cal suit to get my precision low enough (ie gal w 2 complex precision still isnt enough) or can i get mini like I want. Mini does get 3 highs so I also thought I could get one and make a 3 complex precision build for scout hunting. I want a speed, hacking knife suit afterall ;) So far, this is the Best Min Suit I have made. I think you will like it. NOTE: It requires maxed out passives to run. Like almost everything. I would love to run a Complex Mybo instead of Recharger, but I don't have enough PG. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Patrick57 6218	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:41:00 - [12248] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Amarr scout <3
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1121	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:42:00 - [12249] - Quote voidfaction wrote: if scout is only supposed to use 1 armor plate give scout only 1 armor plate slot. I think this is a great idea... with the one problem that its the same slot used for damping and other junk. Which means, IMO, that they should seperate out slots differently Instead of the IDIOTIC "high power slow/low power slot" supposed discrimination.. which is bogus, because the incredibly power-hungry kincats, go in a supposed 'low power' slot... they should then be "Defense/Combat slots" vs "mod(ification) slots". Left side = shields/armor/damage mods Right side = ewar, kincats, etc. Then scouts would get stuff like 1/4. Assaults/heavies, 4/1. Logis, 2/2
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1024	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:43:00 - [12250] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: I think you will like it. NOTE: It requires maxed out passives to run. Like almost everything. I would love to run a Complex Mybo instead of Recharger, but I don't have enough PG. Does no one know how to spell this? Myofibril for those that don't. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community

Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1121	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:46:00 - [12251] - Quote Spademan wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I would love to run a Complex Mybo instead of Recharger, but I don't have enough PG. Does know one know how to spell this? Myofibril for those that don't. Bahahaha... McKeanGÇÖs Law: "Any correction of the speech or writing of others will contain at least one grammatical, spelling, or typographical error.""
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1024	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:49:00 - [12252] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Spademan wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I would love to run a Complex Mybo instead of Recharger, but I don't have enough PG. Does know one know how to spell this? Myofibril for those that don't. Bahahaha... McKeanGÇÖs Law: "Any correction of the speech or writing of others will contain at least one grammatical, spelling, or typographical error."" Son of a ***. Don't even know how that happened. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community**
Patrick57 6218	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:52:00 - [12253] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Spademan wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I would love to run a Complex Mybo instead of Recharger, but I don't have enough PG. Does know one know how to spell this? Myofibril for those that don't. Bahahaha... McKeanGÇÖs Law: "Any correction of the speech or writing of others will contain at least one grammatical, spelling, or typographical error."" I have know idea what you're talking about.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3659	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:19:00 - [12254] - Quote Spademan wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Spademan wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I would love to run a Complex Mybo instead of Recharger, but I don't have enough PG. Does know one know how to spell this? Myofibril for those that don't. Bahahaha... McKeanGÇÖs Law: "Any correction of the speech or writing of others will contain at least one grammatical, spelling, or typographical error."" Son of a *****. Don't even know how that happened. Eat your own words
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 940	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:36:00 - [12255] - Quote not to derail the spelling bee, but I was thinking about a response to my own post for much of today. I think that the Gallente Scout Dampening debacle can be fixed with none other than our very own Active Scanner. Right now, scanners have set precision values. If you change that the be the users precision plus a bonus, you get a very very wide range of efficiency in the scanner. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmEnn9guyATXdGN6WEp3Zzc3SVM5cVVXb3NwOThNVXc&usp=sharing Basic idea: STD Scanner = no bonus to precision, it just employs the user's base precision at range ADV Scanner = 15% bonus to user precision in scans PRO Scanner = 30% bonus to user precision in scans PRO Focused = 35% bonus to user precision in scans At the lowest level, like an unmodded Assault using STD scanner, he would be able to see 100m ahead of himself with his own passive scanning. It's just an early glimpse at what he was going to see anyway, but he can generate WPs this way. And it only requires minimal investment in the fit. At the highest level, a Cal Scout with at least 3 precision mods, he would be able to scan a Gal Scout with 3 dampeners. The only respite the Gal Scout has is to activate his cloak. So 3 mods + Equip cancels 3 mods + Equip. Perfect racial parity, favoring dampeners. Two dedicated fits going to war with each other. Then you have everything in between. EWAR participation becomes a question of fitting trade offs. How many slots do you want to spend on intel instead of tank? Scanner is an easy piece to run, generates WPs, and in this model can get very efficient quite quickly. Hail Bacon*
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 655	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:48:00 - [12256] - Quote Ivan Avogadro wrote: not to derail the spelling bee, but I was thinking about a response to my own post for much of today. I *think that the Gallente Scout Dampening debacle can be fixed with none other than our very own Active Scanner. Right now, scanners have set precision values. If you change that the be the users precision plus a bonus, you get a very very wide range of efficiency in the scanner. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmEnn9guyATXdGN6WEp3Zzc3SVM5cVVXb3NwOThNVXc&usp=sharing Basic idea: STD Scanner = no bonus to precision, it just employs the user's base precision at range ADV Scanner = 15% bonus to user precision in scans PRO Scanner = 25% bonus to user precision in scans PRO Focused = 30% bonus to user precision in scans At the lowest level, like an unmodded Assault using STD scanner, he would be able to see 100m ahead of himself with his own passive scanning. It's just an early glimpse at what he was going to see anyway, but he can generate WPs this way. And it only requires minimal investment in the fit. At the highest level, a Cal Scout with at least 3 precision mods, he would be able to scan a Gal Scout with 3 dampeners. The only respite the Gal Scout has is to activate his cloak. So 3 mods + Equip cancels 3 mods + Equip. Perfect racial parity, favoring dampeners. Two dedicated fits going to war with each other. Then you have everything in between. EWAR participation becomes a question of fitting trade offs. How many slots do you want to spend on intel instead of tank? Scanner is an easy piece to run, generates WPs, and in this model can get very efficient quite quickly. No, because this breaks the 3 other scouts. If someone can scan a dampened Gal scout the others don't stand a chance at hiding. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 911	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:50:00 - [12257] - Quote Ivan Avogadro wrote: not to derail the spelling bee, but I was thinking about a response to my own post for much of today. I *think that the Gallente Scout Dampening debacle can be fixed with none other than our very own Active Scanner. Right now, scanners have set precision values. If you change that the be the users precision plus a bonus, you get a very very wide range of efficiency in the scanner. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmEnn9guyATXdGN6WEp3Zzc3SVM5cVVXb3NwOThNVXc&usp=sharing Basic idea: STD Scanner = no bonus to precision, it just employs the user's base precision at range ADV Scanner = 15% bonus to user precision in scans PRO Scanner = 25% bonus to user precision in scans PRO Focused = 30% bonus to user precision in scans At the lowest level, like an unmodded Assault using STD scanner, he would be able to see 100m ahead of himself with his own passive scanning. It's just an early glimpse at what he was going to see anyway, but he can generate WPs this way. And it only requires minimal investment in the fit. At the highest level, a Cal Scout with at least 3 precision mods, he would be able to scan a Gal Scout with 3 dampeners. The only respite the Gal Scout has is to activate his cloak. So 3 mods + Equip cancels 3 mods + Equip. Perfect racial parity, favoring dampeners. Two dedicated fits going to war with each other. Then you have everything in between. EWAR participation becomes a question of fitting trade offs. How many slots do you want to spend on intel instead of tank? Scanner is an easy piece to run, generates WPs, and in this model can get very efficient quite quickly. The racial parity between the Gal and Cal scouts ingnores blanace with anything else, including other scouts. Scout balance should be made against mediums as well as the full set of scouts. Otherwise you further disadvantage them and reduce viability of other fits. Knowledge is power
Patrick57 6222	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:17:00 - [12258] - Quote Been running with the Ion Pistol lately. It's not as bad as people seem to think... But it's still bad.
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 940	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:25:00 - [12259] - Quote yeah, ok. I think the only option left is to nerf both cal and gal racial bonuses. that helps enhance the amarr bonus too, by bringing all bonuses too similar power levels. Hail Bacon
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4830	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:23:00 - [12260] - Quote Just got on and got amarr scout lv 5 and proto bolt pistol :D Too bad the hit detection is super **** on the gun though GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5** \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY

Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1835	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:25:00 - [12261] - Quote I do not like the bolt pistol. it is too awkward. The Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol is now the most expensive piece of crap. TY-5 forever! Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2648	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:39:00 - [12262] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: I do not like the bolt pistol. it is too awkward. The Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol is now the most expensive piece of crap. TY-5 forever! Not tried the Bolt yet Or the Magsec Eventually I will KRRROOOOOOM
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 988	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:47:00 - [12263] - Quote 30 to 40 m from behind the bolt shines I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1835	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:24:00 - [12264] - Quote yawns half-way done with sidearm event. Be back tomorrow Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Patrick57 6237	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:26:00 - [12265] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: yawns half-way done with sidearm event. Be back tomorrow Hopefully I'll be able to get a lot of those kills tomorrow. Thinking of running Ion Pistol + MagSec SMG, or just normal SMG + Ion Pistol.
I do SUCK RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 61	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:55:00 - [12266] - Quote Been goin 24-5 with bolt pistol I thank I'm in love The one that uses the Bolt for Everything
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 912	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:29:00 - [12267] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: yawns half-way done with sidearm event. Be back tomorrow Ha. I've managed three kills in total since 1.8 dropped, only two have been with sidearms. Matchmaking after downtime seems to be worse than ever, it's all red line or AFKers Admittedly Dark Souls is limiting my time in game... Knowledge is power
mollerz 3038	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:50:00 - [12268] - Quote Man 0 man! I had a really good day with the shotty yesterday, but today has been a nightmare, I can't seem to get any kind of accuracy... knives have me so wack.. I need to get the hang of it. Fun tho :) And I just got LV 1 Cal scout. phew! now the long slog to 2mil SP. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Sergent Gumball R 0 N 1 N 8	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:04:00 - [12269] - Quote I do SUCK wrote: Anyone have any tips dor cal scout I'm sucking at it right now big change from minmatar for me Try not to get up in their face, remember that shields are preciou, tothe cal scouts suit scans are amazing.!! Use that to hunt the foolish ;D
Sergent Gumball R 0 N 1 N 8	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:05:00 - [12270] - Quote Sergent Gumball wrote: I do SUCK wrote: Anyone have any tips dor cal scout I'm sucking at it right now big change from minmatar for me Try not to get up in their face, remember that shields are preciou, tothe cal scouts suit scans are amazing.!! Use that to hunt the foolish ;D I'm not posting without a PC ever again, smh



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