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IgniteableAura wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

IgniteableAura wrote:

Flux does not deactivate cloak. I really don't think it should either. I don't think any damage should change the cloak. You will start to see people random spraying when they see a "cloak effect". Not that it doesn't happen now, but that sort of behavior should not be encouraged.

I only really use cloak to hack nonobjective points, for its damp bonus, to hide waiting for an ambush. Its getting more rare for me to utilize it while moving from place to place. Simply because I have such a large scan radius I know when to hit cloak.

I don't think minmitar is worth the SP anymore. Too many sacrifices (better options), you just can't fit a minmitar scout well enough. You can use a Gal scout much better for hacking then a minmitar (range bonus, low slots, PG)

I actually disagree this build.

My Min Scout has been tearing it up. I run Diverse low slots, and while my eHP is lower, I can still dodge almost all scans, all Cal Scouts not running two precisions, Run Faster than 90% of scouts, and hack in 5 seconds.

On top of running 350 eHP and having 210 Melee with a Six Kin SMG and Proto Knives.

I love my build Twisted

Yes but a gal can get nearly the same build with a far better scan range and a REAL gun.

Scout gk.057,690
Complex Shield Extender4,275
Complex Shield Extender4,275
Complex Codebreaker4,275
Complex Codebreaker4,275
Complex Kinetic Catalyzer2,955
Complex Cardiac Regulator3,150
Boundless Combat Rifle47,220
Ishukone Nova Knives12,975
Flux Grenade1,605
Compact Nanohive900
ARN-18 Cloak Field3,420
ISK Estimated Cost:~ 147,015

@Shotty, he won't have enough CPU to run with a real gun or perhaps its just the sidearm event

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Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3875	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:47:00 - [12301] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: @ Ghost NK + SMG > NK + Fine Rifle ? Point blank? YES. SMG has far greater spray abilities. The higher Damage per Clip also comes in handy. Think of it this way, the ACR is a precision weapon compared to the SMG. Higher DPS, but it's harder to control and has lower DPC. It's best at taking out one target quickly. SMG is a bullet-hose. Slightly Lower DPS, but it's easy to control, and can mow through 2-3 people with good aim. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3875	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:00:00 - [12302] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Flux does not deactivate cloak. I really don't think it should either. I don't think any damage should change the cloak. You will start to see people random spraying when they see a "cloak effect". Not that it doesn't happen now, but that sort of behavior should not be encouraged. I only really use cloak to hack nonobjective points, for its damp bonus, to hide waiting for an ambush. Its getting more rare for me to utilize it while moving from place to place. Simply because I have such a large scan radius I know when to hit cloak. I don't think minmitar is worth the SP anymore. Too many sacrifices (better options), you just can't fit a minmitar scout well enough. You can use a Gal scout much better for hacking then a minmitar (range bonus, low slots, PG) I actually disagree this build. My Min Scout has been tearing it up. I run Diverse low slots, and while my eHP is lower, I can still dodge almost all scans, all Cal Scouts not running two precisions, Run Faster than 90% of scouts, and hack in 5 seconds. On top of running 350 eHP and having 210 Melee with a Six Kin SMG and Proto Knives. I love my build Yes but a gal can get nearly the same build with a far better scan range and a REAL gun. Scout gk.057,690 Complex Shield Extender4,275 Complex Shield Extender4,275 Complex Codebreaker4,275 Complex Codebreaker4,275 Complex Kinetic Catalyzer2,955 Complex Cardiac Regulator3,150 Boundless Combat Rifle47,220 Ishukone Nova Knives12,975 Flux Grenade1,605 Compact Nanohive900 ARN-18 Cloak Field3,420 ISK Estimated Cost:~ 147,015 @Shotty, he won't have enough CPU to run with a real gun or perhaps its just the sidearm event Time for some pro's and cons. PROS: My suit hacks faster by a factor of 0.15 My suit has higher shield regen by +10 My suit has lower shield regen times by a full second on depleted My suit Sprints faster by 0.32 I have 130 more melee damage than you do I deal more damage with the Nova Knives by a full 25% CONS: Your suit has far more stamina. Better scan range by 7.5m Slightly better stamina recharge (It's very close) 3 armor rep a second My suit also costs less by a longshot. Even when I slap on a Boundless (Easy to do, I have more than enough CPU), I only break 144k With the SMG? 118k I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Yan Darn Science For Death 426	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:56:00 - [12303] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Community Opinion time! Cloaks: Are they a Scrub tool for Scrub scouts? Or are they powerful tools when used correctly, and terrible when used wrong? Been arguing with Costy, and he thinks I'm in idiot. So, this is just to see where everyone stands on this. Link to the OP post, for those who care. I elaborated in the thread - but basically you need to do all the usual scout stealth techniques to get the most out of it - but I'd rather they deleted the thing and gave us a new role bonus. The Frustration factor was something that was always gonna cause QQ. The 'cool, new shiny' factor was always gonna attract tourists. Together the forum whine will cause a near inevitable nerf to uselessness and our role bonus will be meaningless. There is no way CCP will remove such a shiny new piece of kit though. So now the fate of scouts rests in the future of a single controversial device... The Ghost of Bravo
Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 97	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:31:00 - [12304] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Murt Lesp wrote: 11 days till FotM dies away Please elaborate / link / etc. Else we'll set Appia upon your loved ones. I'm saying that people will get frustrated with fits they don't know how to use and go back to their actual suits The Leviathan has Awoken and in hungers
Krom Ganesh Nos Nothi 1477	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:12:00 - [12305] - Quote Random thought. When Dust finally makes the move to PS4, how do you think the control layout will change between the DS3 and DS4? We lose the select button which is currently used to access chat options and we also gain the touchpad/button thing. Will they make the easy switch and use the touchpad to access chat options? Or will they attempt to use the touchpad to replace the weapon wheel?
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2654	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:23:00 - [12306] - Quote My single most effective use of cloak so far Activate cloak Let cat outside Come back to find I am still alive KRRROOOOOOM
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5459	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:24:00 - [12307] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: My single most effective use of cloak so far Activate cloak Let cat outside Come back to find I am still alive I managed to suffer through the happy birthday song and I was still alive, after getting cake/icecream. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2654	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:26:00 - [12308] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Llast 326 wrote: My single most effective use of cloak so far Activate cloak Let cat outside Come back to find I am still alive I managed to suffer through the happy birthday song and I was still alive, after getting cake/icecream. Was your Birthday? Mine's tomorrowGÇª KRRROOOOOOM
Ninja Troll General Tso's Alliance 132	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:27:00 - [12309] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Caldari seems to be the best scout at the moment. Also has anyone been speed tanking? Cal scouts are almost as common as Gal scouts atm. I wouldn't say they are the best. I'd rank them 2nd after the Gal scout. I've been speed tanking with my Gal scout and it 's easy mode when using cloak. Tried it with my Cal scout and it wasn't as successful. My adv Amarr scout was a bit better than Cal scout. Min scout character was ok, but it needs more SP (Passive SP and MCC bonus). Video of community vs CCP
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 827	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:31:00 - [12310] - Quote In considering some of the difficulties I have had with 1.8, and the fact that I have in the past day or so felt that my minja almost NEEDS a cloaking device, as an active dampener, I have realized that the problem was not that the other scouts were OP in and of themselves, but that it was the shared scanning that is the issue. I have created a thread in the feedback section, detailing my thoughts, please feel free to leave feedback and/or support. I can sometimes overlook things, or make certain problems larger than they actually are. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1994267#post1994267 Looking for the scout hangout?

Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 98	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:36:00 - [12311] - Quote Holy Eden, today's my toon's 1 year birthday! The Leviathan has Awoken and in hungers
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5461	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:41:00 - [12312] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Llast 326 wrote: My single most effective use of cloak so far Activate cloak Let cat outside Come back to find I am still alive I managed to suffer through the happy birthday song and I was still alive, after getting cake/icecream. Was your Birthday? Mine's tomorrowGÇª No mine's in april, but congrats. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 763	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:38:00 - [12313] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: My single most effective use of cloak so far Activate cloak Let cat outside Come back to find I am still alive You let your cat go outside.... @ghost, but how frequently are you using those pros? Extra melee damage? Extra knife damage? Both I found to be superfluous, I ran a level 3 minmitar scout and never had a problem with knives. Melee takes away a huge chunk of stamina each time and it really makes it much more difficult to be mobile. I always found melee in Dust to be comical at best, you could spray with your SMG or swipe with your knives and be much more effective. Knives do more damage, have longer range, AND don't require stamina. The gal has a little extra hp. The cost is easily managed by also switching to a six kin. Hacking better by a factor of 0.15 is not noticeable due to server ticks. Granted the extra movement is nice, its not outmatched by the 7.5 extra meters of passive scanning. In fact we would be better off removing the stamina and swapping out for complex range, then you can see for days ~50m and hack pretty much "risk free" Like I was saying the minimitar just doesn't have the bonuses to make it competitive. I would consider it "hard mode" when its not necessary. Kudos for running with it man, but it still needs some PG buffs to make it worth spending SP into. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 293	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:07:00 - [12314] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Random thought. When Dust finally makes the move to PS4, how do you think the control layout will change between the DS3 and DS4? We lose the select button which is currently used to access chat options and we also gain the touchpad/button thing. Will they make the easy switch and use the touchpad to access chat options? Or will they attempt to use the touchpad to replace the weapon wheel? I use a DS4 now and the layout works fine - the start or share button brings up chat window. On PS4 I would assume Start or Touchpad will bring it up and firing maybe changed to triggers (or at least the option to switch that around) I would think the Touchpad could work for chat window or off screen support "Shine bright like a diamond"
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3683	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:17:00 - [12315] - Quote Murt Lesp wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Murt Lesp wrote: 11 days till FotM dies away Please elaborate / link / etc. Else we'll set Appia upon your loved ones. I'm saying that people will get frustrated with fits they don't know how to use and go back to their actual suits Yeah good luck with that, I see a lot of Calscouts who don't have a problem with what they're currently doing
Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 99	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:22:00 - [12316] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Murt Lesp wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Murt Lesp wrote: 11 days till FotM dies away Please elaborate / link / etc. Else we'll set Appia upon your loved ones. I'm saying that people will get frustrated with fits they don't know how to use and go back to their actual suits Yeah good luck with that, I see a lot of Calscouts who don't have a problem with what they're currently doing A man can hope. I don't care if I'm wrong so long as I enjoy the game (which I do) The Leviathan has Awoken and in hungers
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 993	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:38:00 - [12317] - Quote Its it safe yet to go gd without half the population telling me how to run my scout yet? I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!
Appia Nappia 457	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:39:00 - [12318] - Quote Only way DUST is making it to the PS4 is through PS NOW Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2655	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:53:00 - [12319] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Its it safe yet to go gd without half the population telling me how to run my scout yet? Was it or will it ever be? thought you would be used to fascism being from the island and all KRRROOOOOOM
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1031	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:55:00 - [12320] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Only way DUST is making it to the PS4 is through PS NOW I think I remember CCP LogiBro mention something along the lines of "Expect to hear about in 2 years" I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community

noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 993	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:19:00 - [12321] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: noob cavman wrote: Its it safe yet to go gd without half the population telling me how to run my scout yet? Was it or will it ever be? thought you would be used to fascism being from the island and all * jerry springer patented crowd ooooooo* Oh hellll no I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!
Patrick57 6263	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:22:00 - [12322] - Quote Murt Lesp wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Murt Lesp wrote: 11 days till FotM dies away Please elaborate / link / etc. Else we'll set Appia upon your loved ones. I'm saying that people will get frustrated with fits they don't know how to use and go back to their actual suits Not me! I'm all in.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3892	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:23:00 - [12323] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Llast 326 wrote: My single most effective use of cloak so far Activate cloak Let cat outside Come back to find I am still alive @ghost, but how frequently are you using those pros? Extra melee damage? Extra knife damage? Both I found to be superfluous, I ran a level 3 minmitar scout and never had a problem with knives. Melee takes away a huge chunk of stamina each time and it really makes it much more difficult to be mobile. I always found melee in Dust to be comical at best, you could spray with your SMG or swipe with your knives and be much more effective. Knives do more damage, have longer range, AND don't require stamina. The gal has a little extra hp. The cost is easily managed by also switching to a six kin. Hacking better by a factor of 0.15 is not noticeable due to server ticks. Granted the extra movement is nice, its not outmatched by the 7.5 extra meters of passive scanning. In fact we would be better off removing the stamina and swapping out for complex range, then you can see for days ~50m and hack pretty much "risk free" Like I was saying the minimitar just doesn't have the bonuses to make it competitive. I would consider it "hard mode" when its not necessary. Kudos for running with it man, but it still needs some PG buffs to make it worth spending SP into. I actually do use the melee. Knives are almost always used pre-ordained for me, so if I'm in CQC and they are low on health, I go in for the melee. Knives also have delay (weapon switch and brief delay before slash), so the ability to quickly deal 210 damage is nice. I actually out melee'd a commando today. (We traded punches. I won) If you don't like the Melee, don't use it. I still have an extra high slot to use. As for the HP? The better shield recharge times and extra regen help when you are shield tanking. I can even use that extra high slot to hit almost 60 shield recharge a second, which is twice what you get. Really helps the downtime. For me, the bonuses are totally worth it. I wouldn't go Gal over Min in this build. Personally, I like the bonuses. PG Buff is needed. Very much so. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Krom Ganesh Nos Nothi 1482	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:35:00 - [12324] - Quote Seems like people are starting to remember how good tanks and ADS are.
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 995	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:51:00 - [12325] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Seems like people are starting to remember how good tanks and ADS are. Saw a python bearing down one me. cloaked up and stayed still watching my team die. Red berry came to hack the point and blapped him with my ion pistol XD I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 828	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:58:00 - [12326] - Quote Does anyone else feel like they are playing out the Jurassic Park scene with the T Rex when they are cloaked with reds around? If I don't move they can't see me... If I don't move they can't see me... Looking for the scout hangout?
Ninja Troll General Tso's Alliance 132	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:21:00 - [12327] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Does anyone else feel like they are playing out the Jurassic Park scene with the T Rex when they are cloaked with reds around? If I don't move they can't see me... If I don't move they can't see me... Haha when I read "T Rex" I thought of the Min Commando. Finally seen the cloaked unicorns that Llast mentioned earlier. Seen 2 cloaked Gal Commandos in Ambush last night. I killed both of them with RE. I have an extra character on passive SP, going to try an adv Gal Commando with cloak. Also going to use it for AV tactics with Plasma Cannon, which will probably fail. Character has incubus too, so I can be a derpship jerk too. Video of community vs CCP
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 999	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:48:00 - [12328] - Quote Just fyi the projectile on the plasma cannon feels sweet in 1.8 dat speeeeeed I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2657	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:00:00 - [12329] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Just fyi the projectile on the plasma cannon feels sweet in 1.8 dat speeeeeed Ohhh I have to try it out Been few games and just focused on sidearms KRRROOOOOOM
Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 101	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:03:00 - [12330] - Quote Anyone else like how the ion pistol handles? Nothing like being invisible on radar and one-shotting with the charge shot I've downed 12 snipers today and 20+ others with this method The Leviathan has Awoken and in hungers



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