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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1869
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Posted - 2014.02.14 02:59:00 -
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That's two guesses You have one more
KRRROOOOOOM
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DEZKA DIABLO
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
166
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Posted - 2014.02.14 02:59:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Hey Monk it's Oz, haha ur right, got banned again, least that remote nerf thread got removed tho, TOOK ONE FOR THE TEAM HAHA, damn we gotta Bounty these trolls that post these stupid nerf threads then report you once you make them look dumb.
Second ban I've got, both for defending RE nerf threads, meh ah well OZZIES on probation Doin time for the team o7 Interestingly, i suspect someone is going to hate REs even more soon That NK SCOUT is going down! Bomb him , stab him , shotty him, run him over and drop ship squish him! Can't believe he reported Oz..... Well I can actually, gave it to him pretty hard haha |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
5060
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:00:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:That's two guesses You have one more Is he....
My alt?! PLOT TWIST
> GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥
-Oscar Wilde
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
554
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:01:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Llast 326 wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Hey Monk it's Oz, haha ur right, got banned again, least that remote nerf thread got removed tho, TOOK ONE FOR THE TEAM HAHA, damn we gotta Bounty these trolls that post these stupid nerf threads then report you once you make them look dumb.
Second ban I've got, both for defending RE nerf threads, meh ah well OZZIES on probation Doin time for the team o7 Interestingly, i suspect someone is going to hate REs even more soon That NK SCOUT is going down! Bomb him , stab him , shotty him, run him over and drop ship squish him! Can't believe he reported Oz..... Well I can actually, gave it to him pretty hard haha
Yeah, he's starting to **** me offGǪ..i doubt he's an NK scout, as all he talks about is how underpowered tanks are
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
5060
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:04:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Yeah, he's starting to **** me offGǪ..i doubt he's an NK scout, as all he talks about is how underpowered tanks are He's some awful player in The Phoenix Federation that wanted to join AE.....but said he didn't have a Proto suit.
It's that guy's alt for the Shinobi event.
> GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥
-Oscar Wilde
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
554
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:05:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Yeah, he's starting to **** me offGǪ..i doubt he's an NK scout, as all he talks about is how underpowered tanks are He's some awful player in The Phoenix Federation that wanted to join AE.....but said he didn't have a Proto suit. It's that guy's alt for the Shinobi event. makes senseGǪ.idk why anyone would wanna join those big corps personallyGǪ.get a tight little corp like mine, were super close knit
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
5062
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:10:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Yeah, he's starting to **** me offGǪ..i doubt he's an NK scout, as all he talks about is how underpowered tanks are He's some awful player in The Phoenix Federation that wanted to join AE.....but said he didn't have a Proto suit. It's that guy's alt for the Shinobi event. makes senseGǪ.idk why anyone would wanna join those big corps personallyGǪ.get a tight little corp like mine, were super close knit So are we.... and we sometimes get paid :D
Although Zatara only keeps me around because I'm our "mascot"....
> GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥
-Oscar Wilde
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One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
313
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:17:00 -
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I just wish NK Scout ran skirmish more often so I could run into him. Ambush? Blech...
Looking for the scout hangout? CCP banished it to the locker room
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
556
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:17:00 -
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I made a parody thread in general discussions making fun of NK ScoutGǪ.check it out
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
1188
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:19:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Llast 326 wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Hey Monk it's Oz, haha ur right, got banned again, least that remote nerf thread got removed tho, TOOK ONE FOR THE TEAM HAHA, damn we gotta Bounty these trolls that post these stupid nerf threads then report you once you make them look dumb.
Second ban I've got, both for defending RE nerf threads, meh ah well OZZIES on probation Doin time for the team o7 Interestingly, i suspect someone is going to hate REs even more soon That NK SCOUT is going down! Bomb him , stab him , shotty him, run him over and drop ship squish him! Can't believe he reported Oz..... Well I can actually, gave it to him pretty hard haha
LOL! That's epic, man! Thanks for taking one for the RE weilding scouts... I swear, RE's are so very fine. It's just that people are so dumb about walking into them all the time. I swear.... like lemmings.
As for the pistol and rifle DPS.... yes, the pistols are beast, for sure. No doubt about it. I don't land headshots consistently against moving targets though, and find myself running short of ammo and range quite frequently when dual-wielding them.
I am looking forward to the new range in 1.8 but I'm not going to perma-gimp myself, as much as I like running them as often as I can.
The truth is that Appia is right about light weapons in that they are superior in many respects. I wish it wasn't the case and sidearms could compete within their range but even if you've got aim and can get the DPS out of the pistols, you still don't have: total ammo count, damage per clip and range. Or something a lot of precision shot specialists like: ADS zoom. Pistols suck for that. Every other weapon I've tried is better. I got a headshot today at 50+ meters, but honestly - it was pure luck.
It's just way smarter for most folks to grab a light weapon if you go up against some heavy competition.
And I've got every pistol skill maxed, except for fitting optimization - which is only L4.
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Irina Avogadro
Nos Nothi
6
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:26:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I just wish NK Scout ran skirmish more often so I could run into him. Ambush? Blech...
Apparently he's crappy enough to consistently die on remotes in ambush too. I wonder if the idea of a hack point just sends him into a catatonic state.
Related to Ivan Avogadro, of the New Eden Avogadro's. Charmed, I'm sure.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
946
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:39:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Official statement on charge multiplier is still a mystery but people have been saying it x2.25
I measured it explicitly and posted the results, just a couple weeks ago. After a certain person complained they are as powerful as shotguns. Numbers said: they're not :)
It's x3.5 for full charge, as I recall.
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DEZKA DIABLO
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
172
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:43:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Llast 326 wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Hey Monk it's Oz, haha ur right, got banned again, least that remote nerf thread got removed tho, TOOK ONE FOR THE TEAM HAHA, damn we gotta Bounty these trolls that post these stupid nerf threads then report you once you make them look dumb.
Second ban I've got, both for defending RE nerf threads, meh ah well OZZIES on probation Doin time for the team o7 Interestingly, i suspect someone is going to hate REs even more soon That NK SCOUT is going down! Bomb him , stab him , shotty him, run him over and drop ship squish him! Can't believe he reported Oz..... Well I can actually, gave it to him pretty hard haha LOL! That's epic, man! Thanks for taking one for the RE weilding scouts... I swear, RE's are so very fine. It's just that people are so dumb about walking into them all the time. I swear.... like lemmings. As for the pistol and rifle DPS.... yes, the pistols are beast, for sure. No doubt about it. I don't land headshots consistently against moving targets though, and find myself running short of ammo and range quite frequently when dual-wielding them. I am looking forward to the new range in 1.8 but I'm not going to perma-gimp myself, as much as I like running them as often as I can. The truth is that Appia is right about light weapons in that they are superior in many respects. I wish it wasn't the case and sidearms could compete within their range but even if you've got aim and can get the DPS out of the pistols, you still don't have: total ammo count, damage per clip and range. Or something a lot of precision shot specialists like: ADS zoom. Pistols suck for that. Every other weapon I've tried is better. I got a headshot today at 50+ meters, but honestly - it was pure luck. It's just way smarter for most folks to grab a light weapon if you go up against some heavy competition. And I've got every pistol skill maxed, except for fitting optimization - which is only L4. Yup got the email45 min after my last post, an the thread got removed= we win lol |
Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1177
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Posted - 2014.02.14 05:26:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:Official statement on charge multiplier is still a mystery but people have been saying it x2.25
I measured it explicitly and posted the results, just a couple weeks ago. After a certain person complained they are as powerful as shotguns. Numbers said: they're not :) It's x3.5 for full charge, as I recall. Hm, I assumed Damage mods and proficiency were involved to get those numbers. ooh. that means when I run my Amarr Assault I'm doing a base 400 damage. way better than the 258 I was low-balling with. yeah. 400 damage with a scrambler charge (on Assault/Logi/Min-Scout) vs 580 I do on my Gal Scout. That's pretty close IMO
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
[email protected] (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2192
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:40:00 -
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Ooh looks like my sidearm post opened a small can o' worms!
I'm a little on the fence here between Monk and Appia though; the scrambler pistol and SMG are very potent inside their optimal but at the moment that optimal is very small.
The pistol's biggest drawback is it's lack of ammo, even skilled to proto (one day I'll get the ammo cap skill up too...). Another key problem with the pistol is that to counter any tanked suit you need at least 1 heashot - inside of 10m movement throws off the fine aim required, so that leaves around a 20m zone of engagement that actually works for it.
The SMG is a different picture altogether. It's aim is truly awful but it's RPM is so high that spraying hip fire semi accurately whilst jumping around can actually work. However, unless the target's very low on health, there's just no point outside of 20m, which because of the stupidly awesome power of all rifles and comparable accuracy at close range, 20m is dead scout territory.
All that said, I don't think either need to be more powerful than they currently are and even if the SMG does get nerfed (a little), hopefully the nerfs to (some) rifles will mean it's still balanced (that's a lot of hope!). What I do agree with on Monk's side though, is that sidearms should have much lower fittings costs than ALL light weapons and especially ALL rifles. At the moment the gap, especially between SMGs and CRs, is too small. What I consider my main advantage going sidearm only is that I have extra fittings room for modules - take that away and it wouldn't be worth it. The only reason I haven't switched to CR is pure stubbornness and hope that one day this'll change.
What's really gonna hurt is when in 1.8 all assaults get a 25% reduction to fitting weapons and logis get a 25% reduction on equipment and both have the same slots they have now, so even if they do get their PG/CPU nerfed right down to compensate, they can easily counter that with CPU/PG mods and be able to fit ANYTHING.
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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voidfaction
Void of Faction
147
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:51:00 -
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I plan on starting to join squads after 1.8 hits. How do you play in scout squad? Do you run in a pack or just squad up so everyone is in same game? |
Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1182
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:57:00 -
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Django Quik wrote: The SMG is a different picture altogether. It's aim is truly awful but it's RPM is so high that spraying hip fire semi accurately whilst jumping around can actually work. However, unless the target's very low on health, there's just no point outside of 20m, which because of the stupidly awesome power of all rifles and comparable accuracy at close range, 20m is dead scout territory.
All that said, I don't think either need to be more powerful than they currently are and even if the SMG does get nerfed (a little), hopefully the nerfs to (some) rifles will mean it's still balanced (that's a lot of hope!). What I do agree with on Monk's side though, is that sidearms should have much lower fittings costs than ALL light weapons and especially ALL rifles. At the moment the gap, especially between SMGs and CRs, is too small. What I consider my main advantage going sidearm only is that I have extra fittings room for modules - take that away and it wouldn't be worth it. The only reason I haven't switched to CR is pure stubbornness and hope that one day this'll change.
What's really gonna hurt is when in 1.8 all assaults get a 25% reduction to fitting weapons and logis get a 25% reduction on equipment and both have the same slots they have now, so even if they do get their PG/CPU nerfed right down to compensate, they can easily counter that with CPU/PG mods and be able to fit ANYTHING.
You realize that there's this nice little skill that has Submachine Gun Operation I as a prerewuisit called "Submachine Gun Sharpshooter," no? Seriously, you don't miss a single shot unless you have terrible aim.
Actually, the stats for the new sidearms are out. It is only the Combat Rifle that has a lower fitting cost than its racial sidearm. 63CPU and 10PG for the most costly Scrambler Pistol and 92CPU and 20PG for the Scrambler Rifle. while most of the time if you run proto you'll have a Viziam Scrambler Pistol which is 43CPU and 8PG. Please be sure to check fact rather than make claims based off of "feeling" when talking about balance.
Ha.. Anyone with Dropsuit Core Upgrades 5, Electronics 5, & Engineering 5 can already pretty much just fit whatever they want. The only suit in the game that this is not true for is the Minmatar Scout. If I cared to I can run all proto mods on ADV gear, I don't, because pub matches are boring so unless their Ishukone Nova Knives I don't use anything higher than ADV on STD suits.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
[email protected] (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
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Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1183
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:00:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:I plan on starting to join squads after 1.8 hits. How do you play in scout squad? Do you run in a pack or just squad up so everyone is in same game? I stay as far away for my squadmates as possible. Though I do this regardless of what suit I use and who I play with. Because the whole match you're really just competing with each other for kills and WPs. In my book, teamwork is each player taking an objective and holding it by themselves. It's been how I played since closed beta. lol.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
[email protected] (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
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Driftoward
Nos Nothi
83
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Posted - 2014.02.14 17:36:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:voidfaction wrote:I plan on starting to join squads after 1.8 hits. How do you play in scout squad? Do you run in a pack or just squad up so everyone is in same game? I stay as far away for my squadmates as possible. Though I do this regardless of what suit I use and who I play with. Because the whole match you're really just competing with each other for kills and WPs. In my book, teamwork is each player taking an objective and holding it by themselves. It's been how I played since closed beta. lol.
1 (or 2) scout/s can very effectively hold certain objectives. Mainly, the ones with defined avenues of attack and mostly enclosed spaces. With remotes and a shotgun I can keep most people off an objective unless they come as a 4-5+squad swarm. Then it gets dicey...
Helps if you're set up with nanohives and some uplinks on the objective as well.
On the other hand a scout swarm is deadly in its own right. It works most effectively as a team of two though. One distraction and one person nailing the red dot from the side. Switch and repeat.
Driftward alt. Its a secret, shhhh....
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voidfaction
Void of Faction
151
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:57:00 -
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Driftoward wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:voidfaction wrote:I plan on starting to join squads after 1.8 hits. How do you play in scout squad? Do you run in a pack or just squad up so everyone is in same game? I stay as far away for my squadmates as possible. Though I do this regardless of what suit I use and who I play with. Because the whole match you're really just competing with each other for kills and WPs. In my book, teamwork is each player taking an objective and holding it by themselves. It's been how I played since closed beta. lol. 1 (or 2) scout/s can very effectively hold certain objectives. Mainly, the ones with defined avenues of attack and mostly enclosed spaces. With remotes and a shotgun I can keep most people off an objective unless they come as a 4-5+squad swarm. Then it gets dicey... Helps if you're set up with nanohives and some uplinks on the objective as well. On the other hand a scout swarm is deadly in its own right. It works most effectively as a team of two though. One distraction and one person nailing the red dot from the side. Switch and repeat. The 2 man team I think would be what I would be looking for. I think a 2 man Tac-AR team taking objectives and moving to next could be really fun. Don't think I would like the scout swarm and camping objectives I prefer to leave that to the cqc scouts or HMG heavies as I run to the next objective.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1873
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:05:00 -
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Driftoward wrote: On the other hand a scout swarm is deadly in its own right.
I was on the wrong side of a Scout Swarm yesterday J0LLY Moody OZ Matti And More Pretty sure the whole other team was Scouts I got murdered I did not do well lol Can't even really call the NK fights, fightsGǪ more just J0lly cutting me down
I LOVE IT
At one point I just took a moment to assess the situation from a vantage pointGǪ All I saw was Scouts zipping around, absolutely SLAUGHTERING anything that moved. So cool to see. Wish that I had footage from that point, overhead view of scouts going about the Reaping is crazy to see
o7
KRRROOOOOOM
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2194
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:16:00 -
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Appia, I've got SMG sharpshooter to level 4 - the aim is still nothing like any of the rifles. Plus, you're ignoring the appalling range difference, which is huge.
And yes, I've seen the stats too - SMG vs CR fittings is what we were talking about and the gap is too small. The CR is as good, if not better than the SMG at all ranges from 0m to 70m+ where the SMG does zilch but the CR still has it's fall-off damage. Something with that range and power should not be costing the same fittings as any sidearm.
That is my main gripe really - range vs fittings. It really doesn't matter how power any sidearm is because they're all more or less useless beyond 30m. This will change a little with 1.8 but the range gap to the rifles will still be significantly substantial, especially for the SMG. Pistols I'm not really fussed about because they have greater range and cost more fittings for it.
The SMG has very little range yet costs comparable fittings to a rifle with at least double the range - how does that work? Wouldn't you be raging if your NKs cost as much CPU/PG as a rifle just because they have more power within that 3m radius? DPS is not everything - applicable DPS is what's important and it's that that should be balanced by lower fittings cost for SMGs.
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
1202
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:46:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Driftoward wrote: On the other hand a scout swarm is deadly in its own right.
I was on the wrong side of a Scout Swarm yesterday J0LLY Moody OZ Matti And More Pretty sure the whole other team was Scouts
Those were some great games yesterday. Very fun to be in a complete squad of scouts... I was planning on soloing but my corp-mate invited me to that squad so I was like "OK, time to squad up with another scout".... I accept the invite and it's like wow, I just joined the A-Team....
Good to see you in match and you were holding your own against pretty tough odds. o7!
Django Quik wrote:
That is my main gripe really - range vs fittings. It really doesn't matter how much power any sidearm is because they're all more or less useless beyond 30m. This will change a little with 1.8 but the range gap to the rifles will still be significantly substantial, especially for the SMG. Pistols I'm not really fussed about because they have greater range and cost more fittings for it.
The SMG is particularly messed up in this regard. I think the fitting costs for the pistols scale well with the Amarr weaponry. |
Damian Crisis
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
67
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:57:00 -
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It's official, I am finally a Scout!!!
I just got my Scout Dropsuit considering I put all my beginning points to Biotics Upgrades and other stupid things before finally getting my Scout suit today!!
I also did great with my Shotgun Scout so I'm happier than a ************!
I don't like seeing things blink Blue...
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
762
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Posted - 2014.02.14 21:05:00 -
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Damian Crisis wrote:It's official, I am finally a Scout!!!
I just got my Scout Dropsuit considering I put all my beginning points to Biotics Upgrades and other stupid things before finally getting my Scout suit today!!
I also did great with my Shotgun Scout so I'm happier than a ************!
Welcome friend. May your prey be many, your predators few and your bullets in skulls.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
1203
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Posted - 2014.02.14 21:09:00 -
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Damian Crisis wrote:It's official, I am finally a Scout!!!
I just got my Scout Dropsuit considering I put all my beginning points to Biotics Upgrades and other stupid things before finally getting my Scout suit today!!
I also did great with my Shotgun Scout so I'm happier than a ************!
Good show and welcome to the fold! o7!
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Driftward
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
745
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Posted - 2014.02.14 21:45:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:Official statement on charge multiplier is still a mystery but people have been saying it x2.25
I measured it explicitly and posted the results, just a couple weeks ago. After a certain person complained they are as powerful as shotguns. Numbers said: they're not :) It's x3.5 for full charge, as I recall.
HOW DID WE LET QUIL GET THE #10000 POST!?!?!?
Also, I'm rather disappointed it didn't have anything to do with being the 10K post. |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
762
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Posted - 2014.02.14 21:56:00 -
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Driftward wrote:
HOW DID WE LET QUIL GET THE #10000 POST!?!?!?
Also, I'm rather disappointed it didn't have anything to do with being the 10K post.
I think I missed a major chunk of some discussion. What's the beef with Quil?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
592
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Posted - 2014.02.14 22:02:00 -
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hey guys i made a new thread, so if you want to help support shield and armor parity, click here and comment your opinions https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142349&find=unread
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
1207
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Posted - 2014.02.14 22:51:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Driftward wrote:
HOW DID WE LET QUIL GET THE #10000 POST!?!?!?
Also, I'm rather disappointed it didn't have anything to do with being the 10K post.
I think I missed a major chunk of some discussion. What's the beef with Quil?
Dude, how could you miss all that drama!?! Anyone know what post all that shotgun / headshot business started on....?
Quil: a fellow Suzuki SV650 owner - good in my book!
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