That makes sense

The reason none of this business/corporation type stuff works is because people are afraid to spend fictitious money.
"Look Bro! If you ain't going to use it, why the hell have it?"

But the bottom line really goes to what is overpowered, underpowered. I mean, apparently it's completely sane to start an all-out medium frame corp but all scout? Nah that's crazy talk.

I got an idea for scouts. Hear me out on this one.

Add 2 equipment slots. Reduction to CPU and Pg on drop up links.

(I really dont want to get into the meat and potatoes of increase cpu, Pg sheild and armor and return their stamina and sprint speed, lower the other suits turning speed while increasing the scouts, oh an scout weapons like the knifes should not have much of an effect on our overall suit [ as in cpu pg], oh and while i am at it, scouts should get a free case off beer for putting up with this crap)

I should have bulleted that list so I could get better fan mail in game.


Side side note. make the Flaylocks a scout only weapon. Actually, make a weapon ONLY for this class. Make it kinda cool, kinda potent.


Or jsut give it up and free sniper rifles for EVERY ONE

I've others but can't remember them currently.

I got an idea for scouts. Hear me out on this one.


Side side note. make the Flaylocks a scout only weapon. Actually, make a weapon ONLY for this class. Make it kinda cool, kinda potent.

Nah, it's not super private. I did want to, to keep rumors from rollin', but basically I wanted to know, on a corporate scale, if an all scout team actually works.

That makes sense

The reason none of this business/corporation type stuff works is because people are afraid to spend fictitious money.
"Look Bro! If you ain't going to use it, why the hell have it?"

1. First, most people have reasons to be in the corps that they are. Some already have plans in motion. Some want a chance to play PC (but I guess that's on the back burner). Some just want to be able to be flash and have that OP corp name on their resume. Everyone has their own reasons, and typically quitting to go in a small corp isn't even a thought. it would be considered ridiculous. like using sandpaper for TP. You just don't do it. One famous knifer made fun of my corp along the lines of wtf? is there 2 people in your corp? 3? pffft.. But he offered to get me in his far larger corp :)


2. Me? I am fine in a 3 person corp. I mostly run lone wolf anyways. When I do squad up it's usually as an anonymous blueberry. The few times I've squadded up with all scouts has been super fun. Everyone darting around and jumping over stuff as we descend like locusts on enemy squads is just amazing. some are swinging knives, some shotgunning from the peripherals, flaylocks cleaning up the scraps of logis and heavies left! man I tell ya! :D yee haw! You can literally see the enemy panic as they spin around firing wildly. I can't help but wonder how many of them would die to friendly fire were it possible.

@Chilled Pill - why increased damage??? That seems overkill.

If a spec ops suit comes out (at Light Lv5) then yes or for the assault suit.

Like some of the other stuff though.

Still, with PC corps facing burnout and losing members, they might be willing to hire out to fill the dropping numbers.
What's important to make it succeed is having contacts, and convincing them that it's better to hire out someone than go into a match a member short of a full team. A lot of corps even spend weeks practicing strategy, tactics, and teamwork as a squad. And they'll probably be hesitant to bring someone who isn't familiar with their tactics. So be ready to convince them otherwise.

So yeah, good luck with your new experiment Bojo. I have the upmost faith in you, and I eagerly await the news of your success.

The issues you brought up are truthful, but hopefully nothing that progress can't fix.

I'm not planning to rush my project. No, I'd rather squat on its foundations for several months before building it as an economic powerhouse. The game is so limited for it's delusion of grandeur as of now that what I'm bringing to the table, Dust 514 may not be ready for...that rhymed right there; Dust 514 may not be ready for...

So this is going to be a long termed project, and nothing is set in stone right now, not even the all-scout part. *especially*. I'm merely going to get a group together, build up communication, trust, and resources. We will do whatever we please, just keep ourselves occupied until this game makes decent progress. Then we will jump, we will be ready.

So although it would be best, if the game supported my future project now, but it won't so I'll lie in wait like a jaguar in the trees...

I remembered spamming 'Make Tac AR's scout only!!' in a lot of the 'Nerf the Tac AR' threads before, it was semi-trolling but at the same time hoping Devs see the principle behind it. And I'm talking about before they dropped the nerf bomb on the Tac AR not this bastadized iteration of it.


Some things I'd love to see in future Scout variants:

GÇó +3% damage output increase to all light weapons / level
GÇó reduction in CPU/PG requirements for uplinks and scanners
GÇó EWAR
- Aim scrambling making enemy targeting reticle fade making it hard to aim and scoped ADS static-y.
- Sensor scrambling disables tacnet (minimap, objective markers, HUD data, unable to call an orbital, etc.)
- Sensor hacking -- creates false readings on tacnet minimap and overview map, basically decoy red dots on the map.
- Target Painting -- painted targets get increased hit box -- 3% increased hit box/level of Target Painting skill (a module placed on a high slot that let's you paint a target -- 3% hitbox increase at militia/STD, 6% at ADV, 9% at Pro.
- Vehicle System Scrambling -- target's modules are temporarily disabled and cooldowns slowed.


Some things I'd hope to see a rework:
GÇó definite advantages for Scouts in Passive Sensor Range and Precision. (and for these two and dampening to actually work)
GÇó hitbox returned to smallest in game and no scaling when sprinting.


I've others but can't remember them currently.

Join Jaguar Empire. :3

You would have to make me CEO because I probably have far more SP in Corporations than you...

I wish the Scout Type II still existed. That suit was great for Remote Explosives. Plus it gave a reason for speccing into Level 2 and Level 4

No CPM. No DEV comment.

Confirmed ... no CPM or DEV comment/response.

Notice that non of my proposed 'improvements' or additions mentioned anything about increasing HP. This means that in combat, the scout has to 'punch above its weight class' so to speak. This makes the paradigm of a glass cannon a real viable option. Right now slapping a damage mod on a high slot is completely stupid for a Min Scout and suicide for a Gallente Scout. The former Tac AR would've been a great Scout Marksman weapon -- I would've adjusted hipfire to today's levels, and bumped ROF down to a bit above today's levels, and kept mag size to 24 for all Tac ARS.

This damage buff doesn't apply to all Scout Suits, but a variant of it that specializes in high damage output with low HP -- glass cannon type. Or maybe make it apply to Scouts using a scoped weapon like say, a Tac AR, Sniper Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, Plasma Cannon (more like sights for the SR and PC...but you get the point).

Notice that non of my proposed 'improvements' or additions mentioned anything about increasing HP. This means that in combat, the scout has to 'punch above its weight class' so to speak. This makes the paradigm of a glass cannon a real viable option. Right now slapping a damage mod on a high slot is completely stupid for a Min Scout and suicide for a Gallente Scout. The former Tac AR would've been a great Scout Marksman weapon -- I would've adjusted hipfire to today's levels, and bumped ROF down to a bit above today's levels, and kept mag size to 24 for all Tac ARS.

This damage buff doesn't apply to all Scout Suits, but a variant of it that specializes in high damage output with low HP -- glass cannon type. Or maybe make it apply to Scouts using a scoped weapon like say, a Tac AR, Sniper Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, Plasma Cannon (more like sights for the SR and PC...but you get the point).

"Right now slapping a damage mod on a high slot is completely stupid for a Min Scout and suicide for a Gallente Scout"

I use Minmatar scout mk.0 with 3 complex light weapon dmg and the gallente scout gk.0 with 1 complex light weapon dmg.

I am the glass cannon sniper or in your words the stupid suicidal glass cannon sniper.

Confirmed ... no CPM or DEV comment/response.

Snipers are of course an except to this because you're not typically in AR or locus grenade range.
On a scout sniper you might as well use damage mods since a headshot from another sniper is a OHK even with shield extenders.
However when you're a shotgun scout or any other scout variation you're always better off with the shield extenders, otherwise you'll get killed by every miss on friendlies.

This thread is more like a scouts only hangout full of tips, politics, and scout related discussion. kind of like a scout barbershop where we get nova knife shaves and talka bout hotties. CCP isn't welcome here

I think that if someone want to take a med frame and slap scout mods, fine. In the future though that class should not be able to compete with true scouts if you will.