I think that if someone want to take a med frame and slap scout mods, fine. In the future though that class should not be able to compete with true scouts if you will.

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To all our Scout brethren who are in the: 'well scouts aren't meant to play like assaults etc. etc....you just want everything.'

To all our Scout brethren who are in the: 'well scouts aren't meant to play like assaults etc. etc....you just want everything.' I hate to break it to those of you, but you guys are probably the only ones still playing by the 'rules'. Meanwhile, everyone in their Assault/Logi (and to some extent the Heavies in Commando) suit is wrecking everything outside the box doing things more effectively than you at the 'role' you presume to excel at because 'that's how scouts are to be played'.

Unless of course, you want to be the one to tell the 'Cal Logies' of this world: 'Hey that's not how your suit is meant to be played!' while they ignore you as you lie bleeding out and getting tea bagged repeatedly. Good luck!

Someone even claimed that the Scout Sniper is the only thing working as intended? And how was it intended? To play second fiddle to a Logi who's highs are decked with damage mods, and lows with armor plates, while standing on a number of repair nanos, right next to an uplink in the unlikely event he get's killed? Please. You're na+»vet+¬ is adorable.

Wake up. If you're argument about how the scout isn't supposed to be so and so is the only thing you're hanging on to, then you just haven't been playing at the level of Dust that others in here call home. Whatever improvements those of us are trying to imagine in here serves also to benefit those content to play in pub games.

You're just going to have to trust your 'big bros' on this one. And please please, don't be the enemy what we're trying to do here.

I'm so pissed at you guys right now. You picture a bunch of hardened, blade-wielding killers ... and a place for haircuts come to mind!? What happened to Thieves Guild or Den of Assassins? Shame!

Someone even claimed that the Scout Sniper is the only thing working as intended? And how was it intended? To play second fiddle to a Logi who's highs are decked with damage mods, and lows with armor plates, while standing on a number of repair nanos, right next to an uplink in the unlikely event he get's killed? Please. You're na+»vet+¬ is adorable.

I'm so pissed at you guys right now. You picture a bunch of hardened, blade-wielding killers ... and a place for haircuts come to mind!? What happened to Thieves Guild or Den of Assassins? Shame!

Obviously the barber shop is a front and the big mirror wall at the back is a secret doorway to the dark and dingy basement bar

Can someone link me to where these changes have been stated because they sound daft. Why should a big huge HEAVY weapon be able to turn as fast as a LIGHT weapon or even a sidearm?

We've been told that infantry are getting looked at in 1.4, but the scope of this comment wasn't very clearly elaborated on yet. We're in the process of scheduling a meeting with CCP Flying Scottsman (The lead game designer) and CCP Remnant (The designer currently in charge of overall balancing for infantry) to get a discussion going about what will be changing, how they go about their balancing process in the first place, etc. Our intent in this meeting is to further push our crusade of "If you spend like 20 minutes a day for a day for two actually talking to your playerbase about a change you're thinking about making, you'll save yourself weeks of re-tooling and re-adjusting in the long run"

As far as scouts go, we've heard nothing specific about it, but we can confirm that CCP agree's they are in a pretty crap place. When being told about the upcoming aiming improvements concern was expressed that this might shaft scouts even further, so we're hoping they took that kind of stuff into account if scouts are on the balancing plate for 1.4!

As for what can/can't be hotfixed, this is a murky point.

They /apparently/ have the ability to hotfix in balancing changes to almost every stat but range with very short notice. We've never got a solid answer on why they let things fester for so long if that's the case, though. We're at a stage where trying to figure out what they can/can't do with their tech is something we're trying to get answers on so we can better direct feedback, but we're encountering resistance for whatever reason on a lot of stuff.

When I've got something solid about the state of scouts, I'll seek permission to share it ASAP.

...when being told about the upcoming aiming improvements concern was expressed that this might shaft scouts even further, so we're hoping they took that kind of stuff into account if scouts are on the balancing plate for 1.4!

Which is also a front for a second barber shop.

To all our Scout brethren who are in the: 'well scouts aren't meant to play like assaults etc. etc....you just want everything.' I hate to break it to those of you, but you guys are probably the only ones still playing by the 'rules'. Meanwhile, everyone in their Assault/Logi (and to some extent the Heavies in Commando) suit is wrecking everything outside the box doing things more effectively than you at the 'role' you presume to excel at because 'that's how scouts are to be played'.

Unless of course, you want to be the one to tell the 'Cal Logies' of this world: 'Hey that's not how your suit is meant to be played!' while they ignore you as you lie bleeding out and getting tea bagged repeatedly. Good luck!

Someone even claimed that the Scout Sniper is the only thing working as intended? And how was it intended? To play second fiddle to a Logi who's highs are decked with damage mods, and lows with armor plates, while standing on a number of repair nanos, right next to an uplink in the unlikely event he get's killed? Please. You're na+»vet+¬ is adorable.

Wake up. If you're argument about how the scout isn't supposed to be so and so is the only thing you're hanging on to, then you just haven't been playing at the level of Dust that others in here call home. Whatever improvements those of us are trying to imagine in here serves also to benefit those content to play in pub games.

You're just going to have to trust your 'big bros' on this one. And please please, don't be the enemy what we're trying to do here.

While I understand where you are coming from it is a mountain built on so much wrong but its because CCP is failing at carving out strict boundaries for the classes in their attempt to allow you to use whatever modules you want.

I think they are better off dropping light and heavy and just making one "suit" you customize the way you want because they struggle mightily in foreseeing the natural exploits.

Unfortunately, CCP had already, in the past, released videos and marketing materials championing the fact that you can basically do whatever with the suit you have in terms of loadout and roles you wish for it to play. I remember a video where they were gushing over the fact that you can be a Heavy Suit wearing Sniper.

It's really a concept players can get behind since it doesn't cookie cut anyone into just one specific play style, but it does screw us scouts having the least of everything to play with. (slots, pg/cpu, eHP, etc.)

Back on topic...scouts are awesome!

Dont want to keep this going in this awesome thread so I will just end with this.

I know there is no going back and I'm fine with that but I want CCP try to reign in some of the classes to force players to be more squad dependent.

If you want to be a heavy sniper that is fine but a sentinel with a Sniper Rifle should offer no benefit. Same with Logis, they should lose slots or restrict slot allocation to force them to use modules other than just multiple extenders or damage mods.

Just imagine the scenario where a logi is actually vital - he can hack in a blink, resupply widely and heal but he isnt as durable, so the squad need to protect him and move into areas in a more organized manner. A scout needing to stick to cover or play off his squad for distraction and infiltration.

I thought that is what they are trying to achieve because as it is now if you can pick another class and skill it to make the actual specialist role insignificant then what is the point.

They should have big boundary ideas like "Class A skillled in a certain area using x number of mods should not be better than Class B in that area" - From there you work back to make all customization operate in that space.

Anyways - enough rant, I support your other points and hope CCP clearly state what they want to achieve in the realization of the suits and am looking forward to seeing the next iteration of logi rebalancing and how they will improve the scout.

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I Run proto gallente scout with a proto smg
have 7888 kills to 7167 deaths

Are you running in proto gear in pub matches? You do know that we are the cool ones don-¦t you? Why are you trying to make us look bad dude?