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Llast 326 An Arkhos 1188	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:02:00 - [6571] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Im looking at things and they're looking up for scouts at early results outside of the cloaking module Umm.. could you re-translate that please?I'm still trying to decypher what it means the other shyte we have no idea about is looking promisingGÇª Extra EQ slot CPU/PG increase Speed Increase Lowered Profile Extra Slot (s) You know the stuff we don't see Edit: I always get the impression that IWS is on the verge of exploding with information overload on what he can't say KRRROOOOOOM
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1108	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:03:00 - [6572] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Don't belong to any group? Have you seen the current CPM? I said it should be non-partisan, I didn't say it currently was. Also, that is an ideal. Rarely does anything ideal become reality. It is enough if they can at least mostly distance their judgement from the whims of their groups. !
DISGRUNTLEDev Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 251	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:09:00 - [6573] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Im looking at things and they're looking up for scouts at early results outside of the cloaking module but until blue posts about it you're going have to lament in the darkness. Honestly didn't think the CPM or CCP read anything in our hole...
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1111	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:11:00 - [6574] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: Honestly didn't think the CPM or CCP read anything in our hole... IWS seems to be the exception. If he doesn't read every post on the forums, he comes damn well close enough to it. !
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1191	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:36:00 - [6575] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Im looking at things and they're looking up for scouts at early results outside of the cloaking module but until blue posts about it you're going have to lament in the darkness. Honestly didn't think the CPM or CCP read anything in our hole... They watchGÇª they watch KRRROOOOOOM
mollerz Minja Scouts 1670	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:43:00 - [6576] - Quote IWS is campaigning to nerf the cloak just like all the mediums would like in his own redundant thread. I especially liek he makes it CPM based while bullet pointing only non-scout views and suggestions. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well, a not so quick bullet list since I keep getting bombarded on twitter. Please do debate points, if it's good enough argument I can see about adjusting and you also get to understand the bullet point a bit. SOURCE Meanwhile it gets framed as the neutrally debated and agreed upon community desired cloaking mechanic. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11781	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:50:00 - [6577] - Quote mollerz wrote: IWS is campaigning to nerf the cloak just like all the mediums would like in his own redundant thread. I especially liek he makes it CPM based while bullet pointing only non-scout views and suggestions. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well, a not so quick bullet list since I keep getting bombarded on twitter. Please do debate points, if it's good enough argument I can see about adjusting and you also get to understand the bullet point a bit. SOURCE Meanwhile it gets framed as the neutrally debated and agreed upon community desired cloaking mechanic. Sorry but as eve pilot unable to find a cloaker in eve in a system that been afk there for a month and ccp has yet brought in anything to hunt down someone not even at the keyboard shows the pace of how cloaking can be treated, and knowing our nerf and buff turn around times a horrible cloak system can easily just lead to frustration hell. bottom line which you cannot seem to understand is that Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks. Period. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 559	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:54:00 - [6578] - Quote mollerz wrote: IWS is campaigning to nerf the cloak just like all the mediums would like in his own redundant thread. I especially liek he makes it CPM based while bullet pointing only non-scout views and suggestions. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well, a not so quick bullet list since I keep getting bombarded on twitter. Please do debate points, if it's good enough argument I can see about adjusting and you also get to understand the bullet point a bit. SOURCE Meanwhile it gets framed as the neutrally debated and agreed upon community desired cloaking mechanic. Yeah, i noticed earlier. From this, we have a few options. 1: We could negotiate to attempt to lesson the blow 2: We could pursue a more aggressive approach to attempt to remove entirely the changes (I'd imagine some backlash) 3: We could use a more parliamentary approach, by creating a sort of voting block to attempt to ensure that we have the ears of at least one future CPM Member. (I know I've mentioned this alot, and I apologise, but I personally see it as the best course of action) I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 351	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:55:00 - [6579] - Quote mollerz wrote: IWS is campaigning to nerf the cloak just like all the mediums would like in his own redundant thread. I especially liek he makes it CPM based while bullet pointing only non-scout views and suggestions. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well, a not so quick bullet list since I keep getting bombarded on twitter. Please do debate points, if it's good enough argument I can see about adjusting and you also get to understand the bullet point a bit. SOURCE Meanwhile it gets framed as the neutrally debated and agreed upon community desired cloaking mechanic. I'm not one of the Scouts to whom Cloak is wet dream nor do I like that our whole class orbits around one thing; but I am so afraid of medium fags tearing this piece of gear before it even arrives... ZEN 514
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1115	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:55:00 - [6580] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sorry but as eve pilot unable to find a cloaker in eve in a system that been afk there for a month and ccp has yet brought in anything to hunt down someone not even at the keyboard shows the pace of how cloaking can be treated, and knowing our nerf and buff turn around times a horrible cloak system can easily just lead to frustration hell. bottom line which you cannot seem to understand is that Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks. Period. There is a bit of a difference between an open world game and a lobby shooter. Cloaks in open world games are best used as long duration, limited combat tools because there is usually a lot of ground to cover. Cloaks in short, lobby match games need to be geared towards fast paced action and assassination. Cloaks will never be useful for traversing open ground because it is much, much easier and faster to use a vehicle. Open world cloak and lobby cloak are two entirely different beasts. I like that last bit though. !

GRIM GEAR Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 149	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:56:00 - [6581] - Quote It looks like scout's are more viable now than what they will be with the next patch. Let's face it losing the the passive profile dampening is going to be the last straw for me anyway as a minja scout. I will have to change to Ginja as the cloak will be a big flop. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 351	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:57:00 - [6582] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks. Period. +1 ZEN 514
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 683	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:57:00 - [6583] - Quote ZiwZih wrote: I'm not one of the Scouts to whom Cloak is wet dream nor do I like that our whole class orbits around one thing; but I am so afraid of medium fags tearing this piece of gear before it even arrives... I'm more afraid of mediums (and especially logis) USING it. I'd rather have NO cloak for ANYONE, than see the rise of cloacked-slayer-logi
Nazz'Dragg planetary retaliation organisation 23	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:58:00 - [6584] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Llast 326 wrote: I still suspect the cpu/pg will likely take a hit on the logi Well, of course it will be somewhat power hungry... but logis have cpu/pg REDUCTION BONUS now... so its like it was made explicitly for them, if its equipment. And, it has been stated by CCP devs, it is EQ. Edit: and who cares anyway, 'cause they have 78pg, and 390cpu!! So, I'm envisioning my new gallente logi fit. Do note that proto gallente, is 3 high, FIVE LOW. HIGH: 3xcomplex shields LOW 2x complex DAMP 1 complex kincat (Giving sprint of 7.39m/s) (and then.. if they're even neccessary, which I dont think they will be) 1 complex CPU 1 complex PG EQ: Cloak Scanner (gotta love that scan bonus, too!!) Remote Explosive WEAPON: Duvolle AR WIN button: Check. oh noes.. my HP will ONLY be 468.... oh wait.. cant hit what you cant see. (or hear for that matter, @23dB) Never minddd...... http://poll.pollcode.com/1537722 If heavies finally get the gallant heavy flame thrower we won't need to see you, we can just pre-emptively burn our surroundings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lum_B9Scwo8#t=0m17s I would never of thought about that myself, Thanks.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11783	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:59:00 - [6585] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sorry but as eve pilot unable to find a cloaker in eve in a system that been afk there for a month and ccp has yet brought in anything to hunt down someone not even at the keyboard shows the pace of how cloaking can be treated, and knowing our nerf and buff turn around times a horrible cloak system can easily just lead to frustration hell. bottom line which you cannot seem to understand is that Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks. Period. There is a bit of a difference between an open world game and a lobby shooter. Cloaks in open world games are best used as long duration, limited combat tools because there is usually a lot of ground to cover. Cloaks in short, lobby match games need to be geared towards fast paced action and assassination. Cloaks will never be useful for traversing open ground because it is much, much easier and faster to use a vehicle. Open world cloak and lobby cloak are two entirely different beasts. I like that last bit though. Well I suggested quick cooldowns so it would be possible to duck from hill to hill easily and I made no statement to how long a cloak should stay up so that is up in the air. Also there is the concern that a gal logi would slap a cloak on and laugh at the fitting costs thus if the cloak is not 'prenerfed' you're going to wind up with a gal logi able to not only scan every single scout out there but he's able to out cloak you as well with heavier damage and defenses. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1116	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:59:00 - [6586] - Quote GRIM GEAR wrote: It looks like scout's are more viable now than what they will be with the next patch. Let's face it losing the the passive profile dampening is going to be the last straw for me anyway as a minja scout. I will have to change to Ginja as the cloak will be a big flop. As doomed as it is, I am hoping CCP is going to greatly decrease our base scan profile to account for the loss of the profile bonus. It would allow us to stay stealthy (with some minor tweaking to that gal logi bonus ) and would allow new scouts to have a suit worth using (since the scout suit is pointless in today's Dust at lvl1 scout). Edit: Should CCP actually make the mistake of taking away our stealth, I'll be moving on to greener pastures though. !
DISGRUNTLEDev Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 259	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:02:00 - [6587] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks. Period. But neither you or Kain are showing anything that would help with that! If you take the cloaks functionality in combat from us AND nerf our suit bonuses so we can fit the cloak ( which from what we can see, is exactly what is happening), this turns into a nerf for scouts and a cool new trick for medium frames. So either shut up until you can show that we shouldn't fight tooth and nail for the meager gain we're getting or tell us about basic suit stats that are getting buffed.
Scout Registry 408	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:03:00 - [6588] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks. Period. This.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 683	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:05:00 - [6589] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also there is the concern that a gal logi would slap a cloak on and laugh at the fitting costs thus if the cloak is not 'prenerfed' you're going to wind up with a gal logi able to not only scan every single scout out there but he's able to out cloak you as well with heavier damage and defenses. exactly. The only way to stop this from happening, is to make cloaks scout-only. Trouble is, seems like the CCP designers, are explicitly desiging FOR the cloaked gal logi to happen. Which makes quite a few of us non-logi players, really, really pissed.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 8	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:06:00 - [6590] - Quote mollerz wrote: Oh the crying is just starting. Wait until we start slaying prey we choose instead of prey of opportunity. All those pub stompers who aren't used to dying are going to start losing some expensive ass suits. PErhaps we should start drawing up a hit list? I think, at the top, we put Kain Sparo for the crime of attempting to prenerf us scouts. I'm thinking this list could get kind of long. Can we just add the entirety of Nyain San to this hitlist? Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.

Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2647	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:06:00 - [6591] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also there is the concern that a gal logi would slap a cloak on and laugh at the fitting costs thus if the cloak is not 'prenerfed' you're going to wind up with a gal logi able to not only scan every single scout out there but he's able to out cloak you as well with heavier damage and defenses. exactly. The only way to stop this from happening, is to make cloaks scout-only. Trouble is, seems like the CCP designers, are explicitly desiging FOR the cloaked gal logi to happen. Which makes quite a few of us non-logi players, really, really pissed. Or jack up the CPU/PG cost of cloaks and jack up the fitting bonus to scouts to like 99% I think it's complete bullshit that this piece of equipment that is meant to help a scout do it's job in and out of combat is obviously being balanced for EVERY OTHER SUIT IN THE GAME except the scout suit. Every proposal I've seen is just a way to not make it OP in the hands of a medium frame. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1116	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:08:00 - [6592] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well I suggested quick cooldowns so it would be possible to duck from hill to hill easily and I made no statement to how long a cloak should stay up so that is up in the air. Also there is the concern that a gal logi would slap a cloak on and laugh at the fitting costs thus if the cloak is not 'prenerfed' you're going to wind up with a gal logi able to not only scan every single scout out there but he's able to out cloak you as well with heavier damage and defenses. You are still gearing the cloak to be a traversal tool. In short match games, there are better forms of movement that cloaked running. The concerns about logis equipping cloaks is well justified since they have a lot more cpu/pg than us and also have a 25% fitting reduction. However, your statement is implying that the fix to this problem is to nerf the cloak so it can't be used in combat? No one is going to use the cloak then. !
mollerz Minja Scouts 1674	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:09:00 - [6593] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sorry but as eve pilot unable to find a cloaker in eve in a system that been afk there for a month and ccp has yet brought in anything to hunt down someone not even at the keyboard shows the pace of how cloaking can be treated, and knowing our nerf and buff turn around times a horrible cloak system can easily just lead to frustration hell. bottom line which you cannot seem to understand is that Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks. Period. Not to blast your logic with an orbital or anything but i'll provide two counter points- 1- This isn't Eve. Your experiences in Eve have less than nothing to do with Dust and cloaking. Your personal frustrations in Eve have no place in this. FYI- I have a eve toon with 80 mil SP and run around in WH space all the time. 2- Scouts do need to be viable without cloaks. That is a completely separate issue than cloaks at this time. And you can definitely put a period on that. Go pound sand with your medium based cloaking suggestions and come back with something viable. Thanks a lot for consulting us before making your thread, btw. If you had given us the discussion vs your logi friends your intentions could have been so much more transparent You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11784	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:11:00 - [6594] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also there is the concern that a gal logi would slap a cloak on and laugh at the fitting costs thus if the cloak is not 'prenerfed' you're going to wind up with a gal logi able to not only scan every single scout out there but he's able to out cloak you as well with heavier damage and defenses. exactly. The only way to stop this from happening, is to make cloaks scout-only. Trouble is, seems like the CCP designers, are explicitly desiging FOR the cloaked gal logi to happen. Which makes quite a few of us non-logi players, really, really pissed. Its pissing me off too but I haven't heard the full story yet so I don't know what to draft up to ccp on the whole thing. I rather see scouts get bonuses or triates for built in scanning, stamina, speed, fleeting tanks (high regen type tanks), higher agility (lower the penalty of strafing) stealthing, hacking (which based on 1.7's sde they already have a bonus of 5% (gal) or 10% (min)) or hell at least a second equipment slot so a scout can do covert things. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 684	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:12:00 - [6595] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I think it's complete bullshit that this piece of equipment that is meant to help a scout do it's job in and out of combat is obviously being discussed/balanced for EVERY OTHER SUIT IN THE GAME except the scout suit. Every proposal I've seen is just a way to not make it OP in the hands of a medium frame instead of a scout. And any such proposal HAS TO FAIL. Because anything a generic medium can 'just barely fit', a logi can fit easily. Therefore, to prevent abuse by logis, a cloak has to be effectively unfitable, in ANY circumstance, by a generic medium frame. (even proto medium!)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11784	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:12:00 - [6596] - Quote mollerz wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sorry but as eve pilot unable to find a cloaker in eve in a system that been afk there for a month and ccp has yet brought in anything to hunt down someone not even at the keyboard shows the pace of how cloaking can be treated, and knowing our nerf and buff turn around times a horrible cloak system can easily just lead to frustration hell. bottom line which you cannot seem to understand is that Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks. Period. Not to blast your logic with an orbital or anything but i'll provide two counter points- 1- This isn't Eve. Your experiences in Eve have less than nothing to do with Dust and cloaking. Your personal frustrations in Eve have no place in this. FYI- I have a eve toon with 80 mil SP and run around in WH space all the time. 2- Scouts do need to be viable without cloaks. That is a completely separate issue than cloaks at this time. And you can definitely put a period on that. Go pound sand with your medium based cloaking suggestions and come back with something viable. Thanks a lot for consulting us before making your thread, btw. If you had given us the discussion vs your logi friends your intentions could have been so much more transparent Maybe if you start wearing rose colored glasses (used to stop chickens from eating each other) you'd realize most of this is to nerf medium suit use of cloaking. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 351	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:14:00 - [6597] - Quote In EVE so far CCP has been slowly distancing from the system where specific gear is meant for X ship and has n (huge number) fitting req and then gives bonus on fitting it to a ship it is intended to. So the tech II cloak is now assigned only to CovOp (and a few other) ship. Why are they regressing to this praxis now in DUST? They could make cloak only for specialised suit and end it there. Or they could make ****** cloak, where you can only stand still and do nothing with expensive fitting, open for all suits, and make proper cloak, where you can move and make an initial shot, for Scouts. Or something. This will remove this funny bonus for Scout roll, and give us something meaningful and not single piece of gear dependant class. ZEN 514
mollerz Minja Scouts 1674	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:16:00 - [6598] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: mollerz wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sorry but as eve pilot unable to find a cloaker in eve in a system that been afk there for a month and ccp has yet brought in anything to hunt down someone not even at the keyboard shows the pace of how cloaking can be treated, and knowing our nerf and buff turn around times a horrible cloak system can easily just lead to frustration hell. bottom line which you cannot seem to understand is that Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks. Period. Not to blast your logic with an orbital or anything but i'll provide two counter points- 1- This isn't Eve. Your experiences in Eve have less than nothing to do with Dust and cloaking. Your personal frustrations in Eve have no place in this. FYI- I have a eve toon with 80 mil SP and run around in WH space all the time. 2- Scouts do need to be viable without cloaks. That is a completely separate issue than cloaks at this time. And you can definitely put a period on that. Go pound sand with your medium based cloaking suggestions and come back with something viable. Thanks a lot for consulting us before making your thread, btw. If you had given us the discussion vs your logi friends your intentions could have been so much more transparent Maybe if you start wearing rose colored glasses (used to stop chickens from eating each other) you'd realize most of this is to nerf medium suit use of cloaking. Thereby nerfing the same equipment scouts have to use for the sake of logi use? When does that make sense exactly? A cloak should make a shotgun blast noise because logi. Give me a break. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 169	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:18:00 - [6599] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks. Period. THIS. Even if I don't agree on anything else ... THIS.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 12	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:19:00 - [6600] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also there is the concern that a gal logi would slap a cloak on and laugh at the fitting costs thus if the cloak is not 'prenerfed' you're going to wind up with a gal logi able to not only scan every single scout out there but he's able to out cloak you as well with heavier damage and defenses. exactly. The only way to stop this from happening, is to make cloaks scout-only. Trouble is, seems like the CCP designers, are explicitly desiging FOR the cloaked gal logi to happen. Which makes quite a few of us non-logi players, really, really pissed. Its pissing me off too but I haven't heard the full story yet so I don't know what to draft up to ccp on the whole thing. I rather see scouts get bonuses or triates for built in scanning, stamina, speed, fleeting tanks (high regen type tanks), higher agility (lower the penalty of strafing) stealthing, hacking (which based on 1.7's sde they already have a bonus of 5% (gal) or 10% (min)) or hell at least a second equipment slot so a scout can do covert things. read my thread if you want any ideas on some innate ability improving scout bonuses :) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134598&find=unread Id appreciate some feedback too Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.



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