Maybe if you start wearing rose colored glasses (used to stop chickens from eating each other) you'd realize most of this is to nerf medium suit use of cloaking.

I understand that you are trying to make the cloak best used by scouts, but I disagree with your solutions. They make the cloak less viable to BOTH scouts and non-scouts alike.

If nothing else, at least make the cloak

* Not make any noise upon intentional decloaking (unequipping cloak or cloak user's action that breaks cloak such as hacking, attacking, etc.)
* Not restrict actions such as hacking or attacking during decloak

You can remove the attacking while cloaked but at least let it be a tool to set up an assassination if nothing else.

I'm thinking that the only way to get cloak be a scout-only piece of equipment, and stay that way, is by making it operate in a way that non-scouts dont even want it.

And the only way that's going to happen, is if it is non-effective for combat.

Maybe that's what IWS is getting at.


Personally, I was originally thinking that was how it was going to be in the first place. I was shocked when I read that CCP was designing it so you could fire from cloak.

But why even have it then? I have no problem getting around unseen now. After a nerf? I'm not so sure...

The second point was to prevent a commando or assault from camping inside a null cannon console since your reticule is red inside those. A scout can quickly close the distance from the outside and end a fool before he has time to finish or turn around reacting to the noise.

read my thread if you want any ideas on some innate ability improving scout bonuses :)
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134598&find=unread
Id appreciate some feedback too

But why even have it then? I have no problem getting around unseen now. After a nerf? I'm not so sure...

Operation Shadow Hunt
As killers with Nova Knives are striking down mercenaries from shadows, bounties have been issued on anyone wearing a Scout suit. Between January 15 and 29, itGÇÖs your chance to show off the dominance of the other dropsuits. Use any Assault Rifle, Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, or HMG to take down enemies wearing a Scout suit and earn bonus ISK based on the level of the dropsuit killed.

Militia GÇô 2000 ISK
Standard GÇô 10000 ISK
Advanced GÇô 25000 ISK
Prototype GÇô 50000 ISK

You can earn up to 10 million ISK as rewards during this event.

-Snip-

Remember I am not stopping scouts from running, nor am I stopping them from meleeing a guy to death because by the time they decloak and close distance they can point blank a guy and bash or slash them to death. A medium or heavy would be a bit too slow to take advantage of a surprise attack to the most attentive.

But there is the other event giving out rewards for every NK kills. Essentially, CCP is trying to pit all non-scouts against us. Business as usual.

Edit:
However, it is a bad time to be a non-NK scout. *sigh*

But there is the other event giving out rewards for every NK kills. Essentially, CCP is trying to pit all non-scouts against us. Business as usual.

Edit:
However, it is a bad time to be a non-NK scout. *sigh*

(mentioning avoiding snipers using cloaks...)

I propose the following new scout role bonus

Scout bonus: 5% Efficacy and 10% CPU/PG reduction to all Biotic/Electronic modules

Pretty open, literally allows for all current builds to function, and works when future stuff comes in.

Racials are a whole other beast altogether, but what are your guys thoughts in this role bonus?

Joke's on them, though. What we should do is queue-sync on opposite sides, then just knife-death-match *each other* in some corner of the match, with BPO scout suits.

Scout rewards for scouts only!

and you're gonna be able to unlock adv knives in just 1 weeks worth of passive SP, so you can be all set by then ;)

And now for something completely different...


January events.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134803

waitWHUT????

OKay, some nice rewards for those who actually manage to stay alive long enough to kill. but..

I hope this event is geared towards collecting data to make CQC with knives a lot better and not just some bone CCP is tossing us to show they are paying attention to us.

Mmm... I think i'd rather see the scout suit, particularly gallente, work AS IT IS DESCRIBED ALREADY, in the suit description.

It's supposed to have optical camouflage already built in. Just activate it now. Have it be a permanent optical cloak, effective only beyond 50m.

Gives us more survivability in the open, against both tanks and snipers. And its also a feature that almost noone else is going to QQ about, because all they care about is CQC effectiveness.

Separating the scout from the cloak,

As funny as it sounds, I am actually OK with not shooting from cloak, I was expecting that actually and was shocked to hear otherwise, you could even read a few pages before hand were several of us agreed with cloaks just for set up or defense, but the entire list of other nerfs people are throwing out can build a book, shotgun noise for cloaking/decloaking, to 20% damage reduction at all times, auto reveal installations, long de/activation delay, gal logis? Its not even a defensive tool after that, and people actually support this.

In short, I don't believe we are going to make any leeway with the CPMs and the rest of the player base with creating a cloak that actually fills a useful function for the scout. Sniper protection in open fields is about what the cloak will provide if we are to take the general consensus, we don't really have a problem with movement otherwise, such a nerf is easily survivable if we could just pretend the cloak doesn't exist and throw it into a dark corner, which means we need better roles/racials.

I propose the following new scout role bonus

Scout bonus: 5% Efficacy and 10% CPU/PG reduction to all Biotic/Electronic modules

Pretty open, literally allows for all current builds to function, and works when future stuff comes in.

Racials are a whole other beast altogether, but what are your guys thoughts in this role bonus?

Scout bonus: 5% Efficacy and 10% CPU/PG reduction to all Biotic/Electronic modules

Pretty open, literally allows for all current builds to function, and works when future stuff comes in.

Racials are a whole other beast altogether, but what are your guys thoughts in this role bonus?

As for the rest of the racial suits suggestions on their bonus based on the themes we already know about races?

Amarr - Tanky
Caldari - Shield Brawler
Gallente - Armor Brawler
Minmatar - Speed Deamon

Separating the scout from the cloak,

As funny as it sounds, I am actually OK with not shooting from cloak, I was expecting that actually and was shocked to hear otherwise, you could even read a few pages before hand were several of us agreed with cloaks just for set up or defense, but the entire list of other nerfs people are throwing out can build a book, shotgun noise for cloaking/decloaking, to 20% damage reduction at all times, auto reveal installations, long de/activation delay, gal logis? Its not even a defensive tool after that, and people actually support this.

In short, I don't believe we are going to make any leeway with the CPMs and the rest of the player base with creating a cloak that actually fills a useful function for the scout. Sniper protection in open fields is about what the cloak will provide if we are to take the general consensus, we don't really have a problem with movement otherwise, such a nerf is easily survivable if we could just pretend the cloak doesn't exist and throw it into a dark corner, which means we need better roles/racials.

I propose the following new scout role bonus

Scout bonus: 5% Efficacy and 10% CPU/PG reduction to all Biotic/Electronic modules

Pretty open, literally allows for all current builds to function, and works when future stuff comes in.

Racials are a whole other beast altogether, but what are your guys thoughts in this role bonus?

Ah, the next event is ... scouts vs. everybody else?

So ... business as usual.